Summary
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismissed U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s proposal for a rapid peace deal with Russia, arguing it would lead to a “loss” for Ukraine.
Trump, who has repeatedly claimed he could resolve the war in 24 hours, aims for a quick end, but Zelenskyy insists that a rushed settlement would compromise Ukraine’s independence.
Speaking in Budapest, Zelenskyy also rejected Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s call for a cease-fire, citing failed attempts in 2014.
Additionally, he warned of North Korean troop involvement in Ukraine if Western allies don’t increase political pressure on Pyongyang.
Ukraine don’t want to give up territory. Russia demands territory to end the war. Trump has offered to resolve this in 24h. The conclusion seems clear: Trump has to offer Russia some parts of the US in exchange for releasing the occupied regions in Ukraine?
They were given that choice before invasion. No NATO = no Invasion. Keep territory.
Now that they forced Russia to invade and spend lives and money - there will be price to pay and that means territorial concessions.
They did not join Nato, got invaded twice ANYWAY… Almost like it was never about NATO, huh, go figure.
Finland joined NATO - not invaded… Go figure!
Russia invaded before any NATO stuff happened though? Repeatedly, time after time? Almost like Putin is an evil piece of shit you support?
Lol man. Do u think negotiations happen when your local newspaper prints about it? No one talks about these things with newspapers.
When it comes to actions Talks were done by that point for a long time.The issue started when Ukraine added NATO to its constitution and started talking about nuclear status.
The issue started when Russia invaded, after the last time they invaded, after the time before that they invaded. Russia gave a peace treaty, broke it themselves, and is now having a 3 day military operation show that the country is not particularly powerful in a military fashion.
Wow, this russian asset was easy to spot…
In what World justifies this an attack on another country? Thats dumb. Go back sleepin.
“They forced Russia”. How? By already letting Russia keep Crimea?
Go back to hexbear
Solving a complex geopolitical situation involving two nations at war…in 24 hours. I wonder if he was lying?
I mean… it’s been more than 24 hours by now, hasn’t it?
Sounds like the young American leftists who think they have the answer to the millennia long Israel/Palestine conflict.
Their answer, let the fascist rule
stop crying in every thread about this topic and get your own party in line
Go fund mutual aid and volunteer to fight
Wait till he gets to Gaza.
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I often see the argument “Which part of your country would you be willing to cede in the name of peace?”
Normally this would be a valid argument, but in trumps case, I’m sure he’d gladly cede California or some other blue state if it meant he gained something from it. He has no scrapes or integrity, and thinks other heads of state are the same.
Florida
As a Canadian I accept California as our next province.
Wait take Illinois too we’re good with it I promise
I’m sure a lot of California (except from the meth counties) would like that too these days.
I’m pretty sure most of the blue states, California especially, would be happy to leave the union at this point. What’s in it for us?
Imagine all the blue states (2 of which are top 3 in GDP) left the states?! I’ll gladly accept Cali and NY into Canada!
Florida
I can’t wait for Texas to leave. They say the want to, fuckin’ do it pussies.
Edit: yes, I know there are many innocent people there, but it’s not like the federal government is protecting them now anyway.
Dumb question, how would the electoral college be reallocated if a large state like California left?
If needs to be realocated even now and it isn’t. No reason to think a secession would change things.
Saxony. Although it’s basically controlled by Russia already.
Add Thüringen too.
Blue state anyways … \s
I would gladly be willing to cede Alabama, Mississippi and Texas for peace.
With a slightly growling Chihuahua I saw across the street.
Or like, a baby kitten that wanted my ball of string.
You know what? This conversation is concerning me, here, take my Texas, please!
Good job to everyone sacrificing Ukrainian and Palestinian lives to send a message to the Democrats!
Yeah but they at least got to give kamela the middle finger!
Just one-issue voters sticking it to the union as usual.
Don’t forget all the American lives yet to be sacrificed!
But at least they stopped the genocide in Palestine!
By stopped I’m assuming you mean “finished”?
Huh, that’s weird, .ml is strangely quiet in this thread, you’d think they would have something to say, considering how much they screamed the last 3 months.
Why would they want to be the target of a bukkake circlejerk?
The actual creator of Lemmy who I believe is a .ml admin as well, banned me from lemmy.ml because I dared to say that now you have fascism in America because people didn’t go out to vote just to protest
I saw the thread about the complaints of voter fraud suddenly stopped. Same here. The calls to end the war have all but disappeared.
They’re waiting for new material.
Mission accomplished.
Oh they’ll be in here. Their current narrative is that this is all Harris’ fault and also it wouldn’t matter if they all voted for Harris because she still wouldn’t have won.
One of them told me it wouldn’t have mattered if they had all voted for Harris multiple times.
Somehow if they had all voted for Harris 300,000,000,000 times, Trump would still have won.
“Why dont the democrats focus on left causes? We won’t for them until they do!”
“So you demand everybody base their policy on an historically very unreliable voting bloc at the expense of all other voters?”
“Obviously!!!”
Meanwhile: “Ban abortion, LGBT and interracial marriage while selling the country to mega corporations? We will follow you to the death, oh second coming of christ!!!” – Evangelicals
They sped it up and they love it
Interesting video about the subject from Ryan McBeth
Ryan is good explaining how military operates, how weapon works, but this is really about predicting what trump will do, and frankly this is much harder to do.
We talk about common sense, it is a non brainier, as helping Ukraine stop Russia is the most beneficial thing for the US and the West. As he pointed out, Ukraine losing likely will bring war to the rest of the Europe and Taiwan, but trump might not care.
What worries me is that so far trump never stood up against putin, he insulted many world leaders, but never did that to putin.
The reason likely is that he was almost bankrupt and putin help him get on his feet, he has a huge debt to him.
I also link to Anders Puck Nielsen https://youtu.be/gOwjmKMmkV4 he is generally more familiar with strategy and so far was on point in his comments. Again, we are trying to predict what trump will do, which is not as easy and his decisions seem to be more about what gives him immediate benefit.
The absolute worst scenario that could happen is that the NATO collapses. I hope that won’t happen.
Trump has been a Russian asset since the 80s. His ties to Russian criminal organizations have been known since then, but the FBI has never been able to get any charges to stick.
The CIA believed that he gave Putin information about current intelligence operations and agents against Russia during his presidency enough to request an inquiry which led to the FBI raid on Mar a Lago, where they found confidential documents on CIA activity amongst all the other confidential documents illegally held there after his term.
He will side with Russia, guaranteed.
The CIA has good reason to believe Trump gave information, because in the span of several weeks after a private meeting with Putin while Trump was president, a whole pile of their Russian and Eastern European intelligence agents and assets dropped off the face of the Earth or wound up dead.
Exactly what I was referring to. It’s one of the reasons that the CIA requested the FBI inquiry into Trump that resulted in the raid on Mar a Lago.
but this is really about predicting what trump will do
Trump plays pigeon chess — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.
Trump’s 24-hours war solving: “Ukraine is now part of Russia”
Trump to Baltic states: “I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further.”
Just kidding: “You better say nice things about me or you’re next!”
It’s just crap like this
The Baltics are in a much stronger position than Ukraine. They are in Nato already, and are geographically important as a buffer to the only Nato members who actually take Russia as a serious threat (Norway, Sweden, Finland and Poland.) Tactically, air and sea defence of the Baltics is externally feasible, and the Baltics nations have focused on building land defense over the recent years. If you combine this with the obvious Russian war fatigue, and lack of resources, it is clear the Russia doesn’t have the capacity to invade the Baltics over the next two years at least, even if the Belarusians participated.
All of this becomes even harder if the Russians are gifted Ukraine and have to occupy it militarily.
