Summary
Former CIA Director Leon Panetta warned that Trump’s return to the White House could embolden Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, giving him a “blank check” in the Middle East and increasing the risk of war with Iran.
Panetta expressed concern that Trump would support Netanyahu’s aggressive stance against Iran without restraint, potentially worsening regional instability.
Panetta also predicted Trump might allow Russia to retain parts of Ukraine if he returns to office, though he doubted Trump’s negotiation skills.
He criticized Trump’s approach to foreign policy, suggesting Trump would be inclined to “capitulate” to authoritarian leaders, which may not sit well with some Republicans.
Somehow the same people who thought they could make the argument of “neither party will stop what is happening in Gaza, so vote based on other issues” don’t think israel already had a blank check. Now these same people are gloating as if the people of Gaza deserve to be genocided because the democrats didn’t win. It’s sick and it’s illustrative of what’s wrong with the “democratic” party.
And these fuckin morons will still say there was no wars under Trump
I loathe everyone saying some version of “I hope everyone who didn’t vote for Harris gets what they deserve”. Dem bullying and refusal to stop 100% support of war crimes (including domestic protest suppression/condemnation) alienated a large part of their base, but apparently it’s still not their fault. Now there’s folks here taking a sick pleasure and satisfaction in thinking about people suffering out of bitterness and consoling themselves by viciously insulting everyone who didn’t fall in line.
Apparently when the horrors happen it’s not because Harris ran a shit campaign and promised more of the same (or even a slide right) as Biden, a president with an approval rating in the 30-40% range. It’s the fault of everyone who didn’t vote against their conscience - it’s almost like they think they’re in a democracy where they get punish a party of unrepentant war criminals.
Downvote me all you want and tell me how idiotic I am. I told people to vote Harris right up until the election, but I always spoke out against bullying and it’s only gotten worse post-election. The people in this thread talking about how others are going to get what they deserve are horrible people and I don’t want to be associated with them anyways. Your disapproval is something I’m proud of.
It does feel about on-brand for this timeline that Trump of all leaders might get the credit for fixing* the Middle East problem.
- where the problem is the existence of the conflict, and the solution of a glassy wasteland littered with charred skeletons will successfully not have regional conflicts for a thousand years.
Iran did try and assassinate him, I wouldn’t be surprised if he holds a grudge for that.
America first
Which is totally nothing like the blank check they currently are getting.
But thank God we saved Palestine from the evil black lady right? /s
Thank your god Netanyahu that she played into his hands.
Good thing your party stuck to their guns and didn’t compromise on committing genocide. Then you wouldn’t be able to be smug about losing to a convicted rapist and felon.
Kamela actually talked about a ceasefire several times, Trump just wanted to nuke Palestine and be done with it. If you paid attention, you’d know that.
Biden has talked about ceasefires for a year now, and proven it’s just talk. Israel has crossed so many red lines it’s impossible to keep count, all with no consequences. Harris said she wouldn’t change a thing and her campaign made sure people knew she didn’t support an arms embargo on Israel. You can gaslight yourself all you want about her intentions, but her actual words -promised- more of the same.
Trump is awful, but telling people the Dems presented any meaningful opposition to ethnic cleansing or that Harris made it clear she’d be better is propagating a convenient lie.
You might find out soon what genocide actually looks like and then you can wipe those tears with your useless virtue signalling. Clown
Haha genocide is some kind of spectrum, it’s the most horrific crime a person can commit. So no, I won’t. SeE ReAl GeNOciDe. I’M ALREADY SEEING IT. All from a party that thinks I’m stupid enough to believe they’re for justice and peace
So outside of Dems learning a lesson which is now yesterdays news. Do you believe Palestinians are in a better place now Trumps is taking over?
I didn’t vote for Trump either. And it’s the Dems that blocked progressive candidates like Bernie from office.
Do you think by telling voters like me to eat shit about Gaza that they’re better off than if they had actually intervened in Israel’s genocide?
No but it’s about end results and being savvy about applying what little influence you have and thinking a step ahead. Palestinians are going to be worse off now, Trump has stated before the election that Israel can do what it wants to get the job done. How do you think Trump would handle any ongoing protests at the university’s, etc. A man just itching to deploy troops to shoot protestors.
You can blame the dems all you like but voting 3rd party or staying at home has assisted Trump back into power and brought in the loons with him that think war in the middle east will bring the rapture.
He’s going to make American, Ukrainian and Palestinian lives far worse. But yeah I guess the dem leadership has learned a lesson now they are going back to their comfortable lives that most likely won’t be impacted by any of this.
At least under the Dems you could have continued the protests, continued the pressure for peace.
If you compromise on genocide then you are not a political agent, you’re a sheep that can be herded with enough pressure.
You keep using that triangulation bullshit because your party has been using it to goad their own base into voting for far right policies OE absolutely pathetic band aids.
We’re not falling for it anymore and we’re going to fight against genocide without your worthless party.
Iran can defend itself. Homeless children can’t.
“We stood up for our PRINCIPLES!!!”
– screamed over the sound of brown people being exterminated
Oh don’t worry, the Israelis will only murder the Palestinians that can’t get out of the West Bank and Gaza when Israel takes it over.
Israel will lose that war.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
HOW?!?!
You do realize, the only way to get from Iran to Israel, is via air.
The Iranian air force has checks notes some old mig-21s, 25s, F-4s and F-14s that don’t fly.
The Israeli Air Force has checks notes F-15s (undefeated in air combat) and F-35s (ditto).
It wouldn’t be a fight, it would be one of those scenes in movies where the guy is tied up and beaten for information, till the guy punching just gets tired of swinging and takes a quick break.
I don’t think you understand the capabilities difference - Israel has the nuclear option if they are threatened existentially. But lets take that off the table a moment.
Iran’s capabilities are their missiles, manufacturing capabilities. Their Refineries, and strategic energy reserves are in known locations and are the lynch pin of Iran’s economy. And finally, the Nuclear R&D facilities are in known places. All of those are the targets - and Israel absolutely has the capacity to take it out- just not the strong justification.
If Iran continues striking Israel, Israel is going to feel the pressure to decapitate Iran as a threat to them.
The fall out of this is more interesting:
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China loses access to Iranian Oil for the short to mid term - it will take time to restore capabilities.
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Russia loses access to Iranian missiles - without production capabilities, and depleted stocks, Iran will not be able to sell missiles to Russia let alone drones.
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Iran’s economy will be in shambles - that could very well open the door to coup or revolt.
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Iran would unload as many missiles as it possibly could - which could be devastating. But that would come down to just how many interceptor missiles Israel would have available, along with other air defence options.
If you want a “Why would trump support this” - there you have it. It reaffirms US obligation to support it’s allies, It puts economic pressure on china, and denies Russia access to weapons - which should help push them to the negotiating table.
In reality, I would more expect Iran to back off. Then again - With Israel obliterating Iran proxies, Iran may feel the pressure to complete a nuclear deterrent and Israel may end up wanting to decapitate Iran as a threat BEFORE they gain that capability… what a bloody mess.
Trump wont go against Putin lol
I dont dissagree. But for the rest of yall here, the point stands.
Foreign policy is nuanced, multi layered, and gives no shits about your morality. Any of you that boil down the issue to palistine vs israel or race or religion, have no idea whats going on. Two state solutions are just to placate you while wholesale slaughter happens.
This is about power and maintaining it. Always has been. And american, or western dominance in the region as a way to maintain what little peace exists, and not let our adversaries seize that control, is the end sum game.
Im not saying its right. But superpowers and governments do not care about your moral hangups. A hundred thousand dead “someone else” vs a major strategic location means nothing. Appalling, sure, but there is a brutal logic to it.
That’s all under the assumption that Iran didn’t secretly develop nukes, or bought them from Russia or North Korea and just keeps it completely hidden to turn the tides at the last possible second.
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“ex official said: this might happen and that might mean” how is this relevant news?
How would that be different than the current plan under Biden?
As a brown American?
Go fuck yourself.
You hold random people online more accountable than the politicians you support. Peak bootlicking behavior.
Someone I can work with and eventually break? Or the racist fascist who wants to annihilate the brown people? I guess they’re the same!
-idiot Americans
Ahh. The old ‘push Biden left’ strategy. Didn’t seem to work very well, considering Biden is helping commit a genocide as we speak.
I remember even when Biden was VP I kept reminding people what a horrible person he is. How he’s one of the biggest proponents of the murderous, racist drug war, and the police militarization that came with it. Biden has blood on his hands. And when I would criticize him then and when I said he was a terrible candidate, you guys downvoted me and called me a right winger, because I was not “left enough”, nobody ever is anymore for you guys. You’re authoritarian hard left and you refuse allies and friends, you want everyone to follow your view to the letter or they’re a “Nazi” even if it’s a white leftist calling a person of color a Nazi. You guys are insane.
So the same thing as Biden?
The war with Iran is already on the doorstep of happening under Bidens unconditional aid.
Such a shame Kamala did not get elected. Who also promised unconditional aid and advocated for starting a war with Iran.
Posts like this would have a lot more impact if the Democrats were different.
Do agree, these people seems to ignore the news or at least now aware of what is happening.
If Biden didn’t want a war with Iran they would have stopped the genocide in Gaza, pushed for an actual deal, remember the one that Hamas agreed to and then Israel backtracked. He could have stopped the bombing of the Iranian embassy in Syria, or the attack on Lebanon.
Iran telling the whole world about there drone attack and then Israel goes to attack Iran again, followed directly with USA and UK telling Iran to stop it aggression??
Iran have population of 90 million people, Israel has 7 maybe, pretending Iran cannot take Israel is just stupid.
No Kamala would‘ve saved us! /s
Libs still have zero self-awareness. Promoting genocide for months in the most condescending and futile manner… Then continuing to blame everyone else after they inevitably lose yet again.
Seriously Trump is a garbage person who would be easy to beat with Bernie, Michelle, etc. But the libs gotta impose their terrible politics on everyone. Gotta shove their genocide down our throats.
Continuing the legacy of Genocide Joe…
This is how dems and republicans work together to push state ever deeper into fascism.
I believe Putin’s power over Trump will prevent anyone doing anything extreme about Iran. Russia has always had an interest in controlling Iran and certainly would not approve the US taking it out.
I think that Netanyahu has more power than Putin at this point.
I would bet my left nut that Bibi has ALL the Kompromat on Trump that Pootin has, along with a metric shit ton of his own.
When he got re-elected after all the shit he did I knew it was not gonna end well. When Trump backed him hard during his presidency I knew it was gonna be bad. The left voters stepping aside to allow what’s coming is just insane
It’s time to do something about it. Not just piss and moan.
I mean, I’m all for doing both:
We should get ready for resistance, WHILE, kicking the fuck out of all the fake idiot ‘lefties’ who helped this happen.
