Summary
Russian official Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, suggested Donald Trump’s election victory may benefit Russia’s interests in Ukraine, citing Trump’s reluctance to fund “idiotic allies” and “voracious international organizations.”
Although Medvedev stopped short of celebrating, he hinted Trump’s aversion to foreign spending could weaken U.S. support for Ukraine.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky cautiously congratulated Trump, recalling their recent discussion on U.S.-Ukraine cooperation.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov maintained a guarded tone, noting the U.S. remains an “unfriendly country” involved in the Ukraine conflict.
The USA just lost the cold war.
I guess the USSR and USA had mutually assured destruction by means other than nuclear
Both sides lost the cold war.
It hasn’t been a cold war in Ukraine.
They aren’t wrong to say this.
To be fair they’re saying this not because it’s actually useful (which it might be) but because them saying this stirrs shit up and makes people more upset. They’re playing on the feeling that is already there, and the best thing to do is to dismiss their comment as a play to make us upset with eachother and watch what they do instead. They want us to burn bridges. That’s what’s useful to them.
Few weeks ago it was Biden that Russia preferred.
I don’t understand why people give a fuck about what they have to say.
People give a fuck because they’re (with reason) emotionally invested in the politics of their lives, and which politicians are elected directly effects their lives. That one’s not too hard to grasp.
But while that will always be the case, people need to realize that Russian propaganda is inherently opportunistic and it has a goal of pushing us further apart from one another. There are real issues that lead to these sorts of political outcomes.
It’s not because of Russia, but the russian state is incredibly efficient at grabbing those issues and amplifying them to the point where we stop trusting our neighbors and families, thus breaking the democratic wheel.
Knowing that is part of the solution but realizing that there are actual issues that make people vote for political figures like Trump and listening to those voters without making assumptions about their morals is even more important.
RIP Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan. It was nice knowing you.
I hope any Jill Stein voters are happy
You can not blame this on Jill Stein voters. Trump kicked Kamala’s ass. Maybe not a landslide but it wasn’t close by any means.
I wouldn’t worry about Taiwan either. Not a chance in hell anyone around trump allows him to abandon them as their microchip factories are vital to literally everything we do in this country.
The Jill Stein votes wouldnt even make a dent in the staggering votes for the Republicans…
Where are the other 20million voters that didn’t show?
They backed mail trucks up to rivers and dumped ballots from democratic districts. Track your vote and make sure it was received, this election had all the makings of a high turnout event and yet somehow millions of votes vanished.
Edit: stop the steal
would love if this turned out to be true, but do you have any source?
whoosh
where funny
Why would someone dump them in rivers? To make sure the evidence was found?
At home. Too lazy to do anything.
I was playing Catan online yesterday as the results were coming out, I asked the chat if anyone was from the US. Out of 4 players, 2 where from the us and one didn’t bother to go vote. I was shocked. He didn’t even have a good excuse.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Trump didn’t win…It’s the people that failed to show up.
Stop being in denial. It’s not like 100% of those who didn’t vote would’ve voted democrat. They didn’t care to vote, so they could’ve voted for either side cuz they clearly don’t have a strong preference.
Trump won and won even the popular vote. And you are still crying “stolen election”.
I will just start off by saying I’m not a US citizen.
Second, I never cried out “stolen election” but you clearly sound like a MAGA supporter so I won’t waste too much of my time on you.
All I said was people didn’t show up to vote. I cannot believe people don’t make the effort to go vote in your country.
Good luck with your future. And I don’t want to sound sarcastic, I’m being honest. Good luck
Tbf, while liberals realize that we need to change the electoral college system, so long as it is in place, there are a good many states where votes don’t actually matter. Either bc >70% of the state will vote blue (Democrats) in which case it is over-kill or similarly red (Republicans) in which case it is under-kill.
Also, remember that some votes remain yet to be counted, bc they were sent in via mail. Mind you, we already know (bc of the electoral college system) that these will not change the outcome of the election - though they will increase the amount of the popular vote, especially since the people that tend to send those in tens to be liberal.
On the other hand, maybe a massive showing up of liberals would have helped if Kamala had won, to show how much more massive the popular vote for her was, in comparison to for Trump? Except… would that really have convinced people who were literally gearing up for an actual civil war (or at least an “event” along those lines - perhaps another January 6th style occurrence) to forestall such? I am not convinced that it would.
Also, some people never got their mailers to use for their mail-in ballots, e.g. that story (was it ever validated?) of the landlord in I want to say California who was caught sending in the mailers for his renters. If all you need is the envelope, that’s a security concern, and I would like to know how many people report not ever receiving those envelopes to begin with.
Bc those aren’t merely votes that could potentially have gone to Kamala - bc then again, a lot of seniors were voting for Trump so we certainly can’t say that all would - and instead some may count double if they were made out to Trump. But possibly a low number, I dunno?
And COVID may have changed the game in terms of how readily people will step outside to vote. Also especially younger people have trouble getting time off their jobs, and lines this year were SUPER long - I mean hours and hours long, and with only rudimentary toilet facilities available. I UNDERSTAND why people would want to use more mail-in votes than having to do that.
But, quite possibly it was simply the Gaza situation that caused people to not be enthused about voting for her? I hope we see some kind of analysis to reveal what the true answer ends up being. In the meantime I wanted to mention the above factors that at least make the situation more complex than your one person did not vote story was able to get into:-).
They didn’t matter at all, because he won the popular vote as well - half of America wanted this.
Yup, Democrats only win elections when they show up to vote. And Democrats did not show up this year.
And so the blame game has begun. And just like in 2016, Dems will point at everything except themselves. But that’s not how democracy works.
America has abandoned Ukraine and NATO.
Time for Europe to step up.
Europe has already been pulling their weight in Ukraine. Now they’ll also have to pick up the slack that they US is about to create.
Financially absolutely. We do not have the military industrial complex to replace the armaments that the US has been providing however.
I’m sure Ukraine has been preparing for this eventually but I really fear for them and the medium term consequences for us all if Putin gets his way in this war. :(
Realistic headline: Russia finally wins Cold War by installing orange shithead for second time
See? Russia doesn’t lie all the time.
Without Biden Ukraine is gone. Europe doesn’t have a single backbone to stand up to Russia. If they become Russia’s beeswax, it’s on them.
You don’t know much about Europe do you, this was the final nail in the coffin of Atlanticism.
Well then, do enlighten me? Who’s going to step up providing aid to Ukraine once US stops?
Everyone but Hungary and Serbia? Though Serbia is also fickle because Russia’s annexation of the people’s republics legitimises Kosovo’s independence – if you can gain statehood unilaterally with a BS referendum, you can definitely do it with a proper one. Hungary will only last as long as Orban, and he seems to be past his prime.
Or where you somehow under the impression that Europe is standing by idly while the US is doing all the work? They’re providing surplus military equipment from their to-be-scrapped pile, that’s pretty much it.
Europe has been fucking pumping money into Ukraine. Now we need to start pumping arms in. It is ludicrous to imagine that this hasn’t been prepared for. The only question is whether our arms production capacity will be enough or ramp up quickly enough.
Of course, now that Putins biggest asset is back in place. Remember when Russia took out American agents in Russia, shortly after Trump requested a list of those people from the agencies, which was shortly after a talk with Putin that went without any witnesses?
Everyone should know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia
That plan from 1997 is literally being implemented before our eyes. And now that trump is in again it will accelerate.
Well that’s fucking terrifying. Project 1997.
do we have anymore agents in the field out there for him to give the cossack madman?
just wait til he gets in the seat. yall aint seen nothin yet
All those lemmy.ml people did their jobs bashing Harris to get trump elected.
lol, keep the tears coming 😊😊😊
Oh hey it’s a cunt.
How does it feel to have zero empathy and getting off of the pain of others? You sound exactly like those who celebrate genocides.
Thanks for the confirmation
Oh please, 20 million voters that didn’t vote wasn’t affected by the rantings of a few people on Lemmy or Reddit.
And Xitter, and Facebook. They have those accounts too.
Nah I think it was Elon “Goebbels 2” Musk more than them. They didn’t help but he should get all the credit.
Him and Joe Rogan
Yeah the convenient takeover of the vessel people use to express opinions was certainly a huge factor in spreading pro-trump material.
Stupid people. Not being able to see the less worse side makes them stupid people.
And siding with the side that will bring worse to the table just because you can’t handle something that the less worse side does? That also makes them stupid people in terms of general and emotional intelligence.
The genocide will continue until moral improves
Well, ML doesn’t care about Gaza anymore since it was just a tactic. Now they are pushing Ukraine committing genocide.
It’s all a game.
Lol y’all will never learn. This is the whole Bernie Bros cost Clinton the election. Why don’t you take a look at the real reasons she never was going to win.
Because American men won’t elect a woman
If that’s what you believe, why didn’t you demand that a man take her place?
Because I don’t have a problem voting for a woman.
It seems like you might have a problem with it since you’re insisting that she lost because she’s a woman.
Your graph seems to indicate that education level has more to do with voting preferences than gender.
Edit: and this seems to contradict your theory that this is all about gender biases and not something else like abandoning the party base
I don’t know how much insisting I’m doing. There are lots of reasons. I feel like that’s putting words in my mouth.
oh yeah, in this fediverse echo chamber where there’s only one narrative: “trump bad”, for sure, those lemmy.ml people were swaying millions of voters away from Kamala.
jeez, lemmy, you were pathetic during the run-off, but you’re also a very sore loser. A bunch of kids not even being able to look into the mirror.
Slrpnk with Notvoting did their fair share, seeing how low the turnout was.
As far as we know, it was just one guy with a bunch of burner accounts.
That certainly is very possible. They all sound like the same person. Or, like they have a specific game plan they all have to adhere to. Almost like a job ;)
Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is a microcosm that doesn’t make much of a difference one way or the other. We can stab at the tankies all we like, but it wasn’t their influence in the Fediverse that caused the result, even if they did manage to hoodwink a few into voting for fake tan man.
They have accounts on all major services.
Because this influence campaign only took place on Lemmy /s
Taking a broader perspective, social media and those who manipulate it played a huge role in Trump’s win. And Lemmy’s part of that, like it or not.
It wasn’t their influence alone, of course not.
They were just part of the bigger propaganda machine that infiltrated so many social media sites.
That would almost be funny again. So why didn’t you vote?
I was gonna, but then some people on a forum didn’t like her.
You deserve him if THAT is what it takes.
That’s all it takes. Manipulation in your doom scroll
I have voted blue in every election since Obama McCain, have not liked a single one of the General election candidates, and phone banked and primaried for Bernie twice.
I don’t blame those who sat out. The only reason I don’t is to maximize harm reduction so I can look myself in the mirror. I blame those that voted for Trump for Trump.
We have a center right party and a fascist party, both hypercapitalist. You can scream at democratic socialists like me and other leftists, but in my entire lifetime, we have never had a party platform to enthusiastically vote for, only against the worst of 2 terrible options that embrace economic inequity and are well bribed to do so.
And singling them out as the worst offenders for doing nothing on election day while people voted FOR the fascist has just ensured keeping those that decided to disengage to remain disengaged, because the neoliberals that run the Democrat party seem to hate leftists even more than Republicans, and say the same thing every cycle to them.
Because at least Republicans believe in our herp derp “free” market capitalist economy, amirite?
We can certainly point fingers in every direction and hit someone with “fault.” We are all to blame and not to blame.
At least now we won’t have to vote any more.
I accept exactly 0 blame for this. I did my part. I was unable to primary and forced to vote for Kamala. There is nothing else I could do short of quitting my job and campaigning for free.
It’s not so much that it’s only the “I can’t in good conscience vote for this party, so it’s better that the objectively worse party wins” crowd is worse then “I want the fascist to win” crowd. It’s the first crowd might listen, while the second is a lost cause.
The fact that liberals are blaming leftists and other liberals for this result instead of the complete and utter failings of the Democratic party this election cycle is mind boggling. Having Biden run for a second term was a huge blunder. Then when he was clearly unfit to run again, they rammed Harris through, even though she already primaried in 2020 and was extremely unpopular. Will the dnc take the blame and change anything though? Absolutely fucking not! They’ll blame the voters for being racist or sexist or unmotivated or leftist or dumb or whatever. And people will eat it up, look at these comment sections already
There was actually a lot of enthusiasm for her. But she didn’t change his campaign. She ran it the exact same way. And his campaign was already causing people to disengage. I remember in the spring he was trying to celebrate the economy and his advisors whined to the press that the people didn’t agree with him. Did they change that messaging? No they doubled down and told their base they were wrong. Their financial trouble was just Republican propaganda.
Which is insane for a political campaign.
Yes this loss lies squarely with the Democratic Party and their failure to produce a candidate that could win. Instead they forced Kamala on us and campaigned on “Trump bad” instead of policies that would benefit ALL Americans. Not just outlier groups they were trying to win, particularly failing to win any meaningful support from Hispanic and Muslim voters.
Mission accomplished.
The only person you should blame is Harris and her party. She made the same mistake Clinton did by trying to be as conservative as possible, so nobody on the left voted for her.
I’m sick of this denial of voters culpability for their own votes. You are responsible for who you vote for and the outcomes. People voted for this and they are fundamentally responsible. Right now, folks just need to focus on making their local communities robust against the oncoming disasters.
They are responsible for their own votes but if the politicians aren’t able to sell their ideas then the blame is also on them.
I blame Brexit on those that voted leave but I also blame the remain campaign for sleepwalking into the Brexit referendum and not doing enough to counter the leave campaign’s lies.
I think Remain spent too long trying to counter Leaver lies. Leave just sprayed them out, not caring. Remain should have been making the case for the EU. (Though industrial scale lying is a news regulation issue. It not balance to give both sides equal time when one side is bullshiting.)
I’m sick of this denial of politician’s culpability for their policies. That said yes community organising is always a good idea, maybe the American left, doing that, will actually finally figure out why they’re not appealing to people who they should be appealing to. A left that isn’t popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong, and I’m not saying stop giving a fuck about racism etc, I’m saying start giving a fuck about class.
A left that isn’t popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong
There are always lumpen elements that are too bought-in to serving the ruling class to be capable of class consciousness, and the US system has made sure that they have proliferated.
There’s almost zero representation for the left in the Democratic party, so it’s not accurate to refer to the party as the left. Both of these parties are catering to the right, but one seems confused about why they keep losing to the party who isn’t afraid to admit that they’re just catering to the right.
I mean sure but they’re commonly referred to in US politics as left, and also consider themselves to be on the left.
Not my fault y’all’s overton window is fucked.
I’m sick of people blaming voters when they live in a State without democracy
Donald Trump won the popular vote in an election with record setting voter turnout. Lack of democracy from the electoral college or voter suppression didn’t do this. People voting for Trump did.
This is the most damning rebuke of Democrats and their leaders. Trump’s tactics worked.
Voter turnout was down many millions
Turnout seems to have been 158,481,688 (62.8%) in 2020 and although not yet tallied for 2024 the estimates are 138,437,782 counted so far. Can we just wait until the counts are done before making statements?
Turnout is down by at least 10 million from 2020.
It doesn’t matter if the voters are to blame. If they don’t vote for you, you haven’t reached them. Complaining about that won’t make them vote for you.
This being said everyone who is a citizen of a society has some responsibility for that society. So of course the voters have responsibility.
I agree it was the Democrats and the Democrats alone that are responsible for the next 4 years.
Now come take a look at this bridge, I need to shift it quickly so I’ll let you have a bargain price.
Nobody on the left votes for her so the far right wins again. Real galaxy brain move there.
Nobody ever accused voters of being smart. That said, Harris lost a lot of Biden’s 2020 voters, so this is the exact good time to go super critical on her campaign.
And nobody ever accused liberals of even appearing to give a fuck about the working man (literally). The whole Bernie factor was missing, the only Democrat who could actually rally that population – because he cared about their issues – just to be hit with the “Bernie Bro” cudgel. “Wait he appeals to men? Must be a sexist!”
A left that doesn’t care about class isn’t leftist. Worse, they’re not even realising that that’s why people go for other options because while the right doesn’t care about the proletariat either, at least they pretend to. The liberals created Trump.
A lot of good sense here. Democrats have been so focused on race and sex that they lost the whole working class. I don’t think they realize that people don’t think of themselves as demographics. Representation is a thing, but they assume far too much about it: “Let’s run a black woman - we’ll get all the black AND woman votes! And she’s Asian, too!” Meanwhile they are doing little for the working class issues that affect these voters most. Kamala’s program of tax break handouts was a dead giveaway: Democrats think the system is fine - but they’d like to buy your vote this year. People want structural change to the system, not a new line item on their tax return. Trump’s tariffs, ill-advised as they are, show a willingness to make deep structural change to the macroeconomics that have brought us here. While democrats clutch their pearls over a 5% drop to GDP, working class voters are like “we’re already losing big time - let’s roll the dice.”
Representation is a thing, but they assume far too much about it: “Let’s run a black woman - we’ll get all the black AND woman votes! And she’s Asian, too!” Meanwhile they are doing little for the working class issues that affect these voters most.
Right on the nose. Here’s a perfect example of this, which I find incredibly demeaning toward the supposed demographic they’re trying to court. It just shows how out of touch the party is.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/13/nx-s1-5151968/harris-weed-crypto
Tax break handouts are a slap in the face of the working poor: What good is a tax break when you don’t earn enough to pay taxes, or live a dignified life, in the first place?
You’re right. Sad to see the down votes.
Kamala Harris was up 10 points in ratings above Trump after Biden dropped out. Every step of the way, Kamala dropped the ball and fumbled her lead with her eye on winning over conservatives.
This country is moving more and more right, and it’s not the American people’s fault. Democrats have stagnated ever since Obama ran on hope and change, but forgot all of that shit once in the White House.
Don’t let people gaslight you here. Democrats are the ones to blame.
Heh, I’m sure all the gazans, Ukrainians and Taiwanese are glad to hear the American left stood for their principles.
I really wonder how much direct financial support Russia sends our ‘left’.
That ‘left’ gets a hell lot of financial support, if not outright some method to organize brigading campaigns.
Jesus christ you’re literally quoting “George Soros funding the deep state left” MAGA rhetoric here and wondering why the dems lost the election. Stop trying to out-Republican the Republicans and maybe you’ll stop costing us elections.
I guess the silver lining is that we won’t spend the next few months worried about violent retaliation and a second insurrection. But we’ll have to live through the bickering and multiple finger pointings among non_MAGA people on whose fault it was. Then January 20th will come and we’ll be too busy worrying about our well being to continue the blaming.
It really does parallel Brexit in a way. People are so similar.
First and foremost, I blame the racist shits who voted for Trump.
And second and secondmost, I blame the anti-Trump non-voters. The GOP only lost about 2 million from 2020, but the Democrats lost about 14 million. I know they’re not all accounted for but that is a MUCH larger swathe from blue than red. Obviously some switched sides for their own reasons but basically there are maybe 10 million voters who decided that voting for the lesser of two evils wasn’t on their agenda and did nothing. Disappointing.
Edit: obviously I blame all the propaganda from the billionaires/wealthy media/foreign interference etc too (and moreso), but let’s take that as read.
Nah I think she made the same mistake as Clinton by having a vagina.
Would you rather she miss out on the bigger share of the center?
Face it, political views are a Bell Curve.
Supporting a genocide and climate destruction isn’t center . its right of center.
The only good part about this message is the 145 downvotes lol
i would imagine it is. they fought very hard for it
