If this is what it takes to sink Trump’s ship then I’ll fully give up on ever making sense of anything ever again.
Don’t get me wrong, that shit show was a national embarrassment, but it wasn’t surprising.
Whatever. Vote, folks.
Saying that whatever Trump does is political suicide misses the biggest issue with this election-
Nobody cares what either of them say because an awful lot of the electorate simply isn’t listening.
The Trump voters would keep voting for Trump even if he joined the Nazi party. The rest of voters have either tuned out or are pushing Kamala simply because she’s not Trump so she must be better.
An awful lot of people have just made up their minds and aren’t listening for anything new.So having a headline that Trump says something offensive is news to nobody. What would have been political suicide a decade or two ago is business as usual today. Whatever standards we once have politicians to, we no longer hold them to.
Nothing is political suicide for Trump. He was right when he said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and he wouldn’t lose any supporters. His followers are a cult and the only way they would stop following him is if he somehow turned brown or black.
He even said “take the guns now, proper process later” ad didn’t even lost NRA support
Obviously. The NRA is a racist organization more than a gun one if you actually scrutinize it.
If you still think anything trump could do is political suicide, you are too naive to be writing about politics.
It’s the Daily Beast, afterall. Not even Wikipedia considers them reliable.
On the contrary, this is actually the strategy to win the swing voters. Some of them just need to be haters and they win bigly.
Saying that you could stand out in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody dead I did not affect your campaign should equally have been political suicide.
Political suicide is dead.
Oh come on “journalists”, please stop with this “end of the Republican party” bullshit.
None of this will kill the white supremacist party because forty percent of America is still identifying as white supremacist and another ten percent literally can’t tell the difference between someone quoting Hitler and someone Hitler was a genocidal asshole that shouldn’t be looked up to and those morons vote in Pennsylvania.
The Republican party is perfectly fine after this yet another time example of Republicans being Nazi sympathizers holding a major public really where they proudly proclaim their White Nationalist opinions and agenda.
I think the only hope for getting rid of this bullshit strain of conservatism here and across the world is that they hold the same beliefs in the next global pandemic.
My thoughts exactly. Every election cycle, there are a slew of “Republican voters won’t be able to stomach THIS latest revelation!” articles. Then the Republicans dhed less than a rounding error of their voter base while picking up a nearly equal amount of votes from neo-Nazis or the like.
The party of immoral hypocrisy, “shockingly”, doesn’t care about the morality of their candidate so long as they “hurt the right people”.
I’ve lost count of how many “political suicides” Trump has allegedly gone through since 2015… Yet somehow, here he still is…
My faith in humanity has been severely diminished by the fact his candidacy keeps surviving what in a sane world would be disqualifying events/revelations.
Well, nazis are kind of like a society committing suicide, or maybe a murder-suicide. So it all fits.
Kamala is expected to prove her worth for office and cannot be less than perfect, whereas Trump is allowed to repeatedly prove how unfit he is day after day
Some pundit had a catchy phrase for this. Trump can be lawless, but Kamala has to be flawless
not a lot of voters will actually hear about this
Not to mention we’re probably getting close to a third already casting their vote.
The Daily Beast - News Source Context (Click to view Full Report)
Information for The Daily Beast:
Wiki: mixed - There is no consensus on the reliability of The Daily Beast. Most editors consider The Daily Beast a biased or opinionated source. Some editors advise particular caution when using this source for controversial statements of fact related to living persons.
MBFC: Left - Credibility: Medium - Factual Reporting: Mixed - United States of America
Search topics on Ground.News
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-racist-nyc-rally-was-vile-it-was-also-political-suicide/
It was intentional. They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake and distract voters from Trump being too frail to campaign. Trump voters are already racist shitbags. The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.
They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake
super walz to the rescue. seems like he has played the VP attack dog role pretty smartly. loud enough to make headlines with reasonably pointed attacks, while being “clean” enough to deflect incoming.
Also, all attention is good attention. That has been the rule of the Trump campaign since day one.
I have seen so many articles about Donald Trump in the last week, and I’m not sure I have even seen one about Kamala Harris. Unfortunately, the media and the online public are both very easy to bait into giving Trump free publicity.
Right. His whole McDonald’s stunt was wild how effective it was. We all made fun of it, but it was a net positive for him from all the headlines.
This is exactly it - I’m on Lemmy, a place that’s probably 35 percentage points more left than the average US space, and the entire feed is similar stories about this rally. The media has learned nothing and in 3 years American journalism may be dead - regulated into state-approved propaganda like in Russia - because of it.
The media is a business, and clicks are currency. Trump is good for business. It’s that simple.
The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.
The idea that calling out bigotry as unacceptable can be ‘shrill and unreasonable’ is so ridiculous that I want to disbelieve you, except that I know enough about the world to know that it happens.
You can post online that you’re upset that Israel is killing innocent people, and be told that saying that is ‘Russian propaganda’ etc. Anything can be spun as unacceptable, I guess.
The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.
Will it really? Is there someone out there who didn’t know until this event that he was a bigot and an awful person and is now going to change their mind?
Exactly my reaction.
8 years later, still riding that click-generating wave of “can you believe how racist this guy is?!”
You know what’s crazy? That answer is almost certainly yes.
I live in a red area and more and more people are starting to see some cracks
In my neighborhood, I’ve seen some houses take down their Trump signs. Dunno if it means anything, but I don’t think I had ever seen that before.
Ohhh don’t you go giving me hope like that…
I live in a red state and I saw a jacked up truck flying a full size giant Kamala Harris flag the other day, my jaw dropped
I live in a Southern city. I shop in nice stores that are advertised in Garden & Gun.
They are selling Reagan Bush ‘80 and Reagan Bush ‘84 swag.
That is a dog whistle to say “I’m not down with Trump, but it’s not because I’m not conservative”.
There are serious cracks.
Harris HQ did a lot of things right and Trump HQ got locked in either doubling down and becoming more pronounced fascist (like here) therefore risking moderate republican votes or becoming too boring and letting people see through their incompetence and Trump’s senility when they aren’t caught up blind from constant MAGAtation.
It’s always so interesting (or heartbreakingly depressing) for me to hear this. I have seen that to some extent where I live, although very tepidly. However, when I go visit friends and family in much more red areas I feel like I’m going into bizarro world. People are doubling and tripling down. It’s like a weird arms race or something between trump and his sycophants as they desperately try to keep up with each other in terms of bigotry and just overall insanity and/or stupidity. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that, in those areas, they ate this stuff up and asked for seconds.
It would make me incredibly happy if this was some sort of breaking point and it actually did open some eyes but having been there and seen the countless gigantic trump/Vance flags hanging from the bed of outrageously lifted pickups, I just don’t see it.
As great as that is to hear, I have to wonder under what rock those people have been living up to now.
Honestly, I kind of get it.
I’m very attuned to keeping up with what is happening in the world, at least at a base level. The number of people I’ve met who just dont do that is staggering. The other day I ran into someone who didn’t know what happened on J6. Maybe they were playing dumb, but I didn’t think so.
The reason i kinda get it is because this shit is depressing. I would love to be able to just tune out everything political related and only see feeds relating to my hobbies and just be totally ignorant of how fucked everything is. I guess some people saw that opportunity and took it.
It’s fatigue. If there were a turd-based fireworks show outside your house every night, eventually you just have to ignore it.
At first, exploding turds, I kinda want to see that. Eventually everything is covered in shit. That’s sort of a problem. A few folks try to clean it up, but it’s A LOT of shit. Your house is covered in shit. Your car is covered in shit. You go to the car wash and things improve… But your car is covered in shit again pretty quickly, so that felt like a waste.
Then someone asks you about that one time when a bunch of people broke into a building and let off shit fireworks everywhere. Sure that was new, but the nightly turd extravaganza still went off just the same. Plus the turd fireworks are always being set off in new and unusual places. I can’t be expected to remember them all.
Were they 5 years old or recently immigrated or something? Maybe it’s because of proximity but I’m pretty sure even in Canada everyone has heard about it!
Some people just refuse to pay attention to politics.
Yep. I’ve seen folks avoid politics like I avoid football. They excuse themselves when someone starts talking about it, they change the channel if something about it comes on, and they just don’t go to places on the internet where it’s discussed.
I wasn’t ever that bad, but I used to not go out of my way to look at politics and it was pretty easy to avoid. I was much happier as well. But it’s important so I wade through it.
Millions and millions of people just don’t vote.
Yeah, the “political suicide” bit is immediately questionable. The fact that this race is even close has destroyed any remaining shreds of faith in my fellow Americans.
Trump could go up in stage and rant about black people, using the hard-R; he could repeat the sexist comments he’s already famous for; he could probably even criticize Christians - none of it would move the needle. People voting for him aren’t doing so because they think he’s a great person; they’re doing it because they hate liberals.
I think they are voting for him because of the things they believe he is or stands for. Let’s assume some people cherish kindness, then these people believe he is kind even if he’s obviously not. They want to believe.
They are analogously not voting for Harris out of what they believe she stands for: destroying their values, installing communism, surrendering to the Soviet Union, all on day one. Because they want to believe.
This is also the thing I think proves that these people are stupid, although I really try to not assume these things.
Kamala is so much not a communist, she’d be considered economically right-wing in most of the EU.
I think it would actually get him more votes.
The first half of this skit will explain , like it is which multi-millionaire who does not respect you do you choose? The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not. Even with a Billion dollars Harris does not feel safe, and Trump has ro go so see Elon (who needs to be culled already). In all this voting third party is the crazy choice because?
Holy nonsense false equivalence, Batman. Harris’s net worth (with her husband), is about $8 million, much of which comes from book sales, pensions, and the value of her home. I’ll take the millionaire who earned her assets via public service, investment, and work over the supposed billionaire who earned his assets via loans from daddy, grift, fraud, lies, and a history of refusal to pay bills.
In all this voting third party is the crazy choice because?
Because you started with a ridiculous lie to justify it, maybe? Or, alternatively, because it’s stupid and self-defeating.
And the average american is a multi-millionaire? Like holy batman thats alot of words to say she can not relate to regular ppl. As in my Chapelle clip, one candidate embraces it, the other denies it. Guess who looks like an untrustworthy liar.
When has she ever denied being wealthy?
Ladies and gentleman, this is called a pivot, because I made an accusation and somehow @BlackBeard has something entirely different to take attention and ignore what I said.
the other denies it.
Your exact words.
Ummms if you agreeing with me you are saying “Both Sides” then and well ofc agreeing with me.
The average net worth of a single person in their 60s (kamala’s age) is about 1.5 million.
So take 8 million for Kamala and husband and 3 million for an average couple in the same age group.
I think that’s significantly closer than any of the gop or third party candidates.
Besides, it’s not like Kamala is trying to make it a secret (unlike trump, who consistently refuses to release documents related to wealth and assets)
Because Jill Stein is also a multimillionaire.
The one lying that it is all fair, or the crybaby who says its not.
Yep, that’s the only difference between the two candidates. You nailed it!
(This is sarcasm. You’re an idiot.)
Making people aware might give more of a push to people who otherwise wouldn’t vote. It isn’t about changing the minds of maga shits.
That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to “commit political suicide”.
He can lose, repeatedly. But that doesn’t really end Trumpism. It just mutates the brand into Republicans who can pitch themselves as “winners”.
A big problem with Lincoln Project Republicanism is that it doesn’t refute the fundamental fascist tenants of Trumpism (the xenophobia, the white nationalist Christiandom, anti-Democratic sentiments). They just pitch Trump as on the wrong side of foreign policy (not hawkish enough on Russia or China).
So we end up with Trump on one end and Ted Cruz on the other, as our range of conservative options.
aka “We’ve got Trump and Trump Lite, which would you prefer?”
Do you guys have trump zero?
Well what’s the difference?
Same calories Same awful foam Same horrible aftertaste Same miserable aroma
But the light version says the quiet part quietly.
Things have definitely changed and there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start over. The old party wasn’t great but it was at least loyal.
there’s republicans agitating to just blow it all up and start ove
There are Republicans who lost their primaries and want their seats back. But they aren’t going to throw away Reaganism to defeat Trumpism.
Everyone calls it Reagan, but he just did what Republicans were saying they wanted for decades already. In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically. Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.
In fact I’m not sure where the Republicans could fall back to ideologically.
At the heart of every Republican is a British Tory who desperately wants an American King.
Ever since the Dixie Flip they’ve pretty much built their entire party around racism and religious extremism.
Republicanism, even back to Lincoln, was a theory of Industrial expansion. Modern Republicans simply have nowhere else to expand into.
Racism and religious extremism are about re-colonizing the interior a second time, with a smaller and more “pure” cohort of settlers.
But without the large locus of dense population like the party had when it was dominant in the metropoles, that’s increasingly difficult to accomplish.
What the GOP needs is a new Mecca (or, perhaps, a New New York). A large, population dense center of power to expand out of again. Maybe they’ve found that in Salt Lake City. Maybe they’ve found it in the increasingly right wing Texas capital of Austin. Or in Silicon Valley. Or in Tel Aviv. Maybe they’ll rediscover New York (Eric Adams and Andrew Cuomo certainly suggest fascism still plays well in the Big Apple).
But Settler Colonialism 2 is the dream.
That’s an interesting way to look at it. I’m not sure they need a single city though, the analogy kind of falls apart if you take it too far. But the whole restricting voting rights to white Christian men married with kids could certainly be described as a new form of colonialism. It’s essentially apartheid, and that was an outgrowth of colonialism.
Exactly. Just like the other hundreds of disqualifying things.
I came to say something like “too bad this guy is a zombie, smells like one too.”
Paywall. Archive link please.
Where will Trump voters hear about the negatives? The 4th estate is not something they have any regard for or they wouldn’t be on the fence. Newsmax, OAN, Fox, etc will all ignore the racism
