@just_another_person@lemmy.world Looks like Rawstory heard the complaints and modified the headline on you.
The new headline is “Trump and Vance face criminal charges over Springfield hoax”
If you could make this match, that would be great!
Stochastic terrorism needs to have more severe criminal penalties for career politicians specifically. Right-wing figureheads have been getting away with this shit for too long.
We’re now penalizing the parents of school shooters, so if we find out that someone who threatens to bomb a school is a super fan of X person, then X person should face some sort of penalty if they continually put out deliberate lies about said school. We did a version of this with Alex Jones already, just follow through with that logic honestly.
Why are politicians not accountable for spreading lies? Not even ridiculous ones like this?
They’ve already ruined their reputations themselves, honestly keep it up🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿
And for the half of Americans that continue to support them without question after having done so, honestly. Half of the American flag should be drenched in sewage to reflect how they are leaving the reputation of the US within and outside of it.
I don’t think half of Americans support him.
Hang 'em both.
“there’s no room for political violence”
LOL /s
fuck both those ass holes
Trump isn’t ever going to actually go to jail. That would set a precedent for us to actually keep our political leaders accountable, and that ain’t happening.
If anything, they’ve done everything to excuse outright corruption in the US government. SuperPACs, bribes, it’s all getting legitimized. You can’t even hear reports criticizing civil asset forfeiture not only because the practice is so widespread, but now people are more concerned about even worse things. A massive and overcrowded private prison system being used as a system of low or non-existent labor akin to slavery? Last decade’s news.
Please, tell me how the US was founded as a revolution from tyranny and corruption again. Was that the policy when manifest destiny trampled on native American lives and left them in enclosed casinos? The US has always been about colonizers and subjugation, and even to this day continues to support modern world colonizers who, lacking the absence of modern civilization, rationalize the natives as militants when they oppose and make sure to place them besides terrorists. It speaks volumes to the sad state of global affairs that they are still the better option in terms of global superpowers to ally with.
The US compares itself to and lets itself be shaped by the lowest common denominator. Anything better, too socialist - but nevermind the small group of oligarchies power is organized around who get do get the socialist treatment anyway.
Learning about USA history in high school radicalised me.
As you said, manifest destiny was just the same old colonialism they claimed to oppose, just with a religious excuse.
The US education system does teach US history and critical thinking, but applying it to itself is another thing entirely. The means are still there, so it’s no coincidence that there has been a movement to shaft the US education system an promote things like homeschooling.
I think it would be pretty hilarious if this was the thing that got Trump in jail. Aaaaaall the other stuff? Nah. but this Springfield hoax? Yeah we got to do something about that.
Al Capone got put away for Tax Evasion, so anything is possible I guess.
If only the IRS had the teeth now as it did then, we’d never heard about this trump fellow.
We probably would have heard about him going to prison in the 80s.
Tempted to remove as “Fox by Proxy” but here’s an alternate source which confirms the story and raises an excellent point:
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/25/g-s1-24436/haitian-group-charges-trump-vance-springfield
“If it were anyone else other than Trump and Vance who had done what they’ve done — wreak havoc on Springfield, resulting in bomb threats, evacuated and closed government buildings and schools, threats to the mayor and his family — they would have been arrested by now,” Chandra said. “They are not above the law.”
Chandra said the U.S. Supreme Court’s July ruling granting ex-presidents broad immunity from criminal prosecution does not apply in this case because Trump is currently a private citizen and Vance was not acting in his capacity as a senator when he amplified the rumors that members of Springfield’s 15,000-member Haitian community were eating people’s pets.
"If it were anyone else … they would have been arrested by now,” Chandra said. “They are not above the law.”
Those two sentences don’t add up.
“They are not above the law” is the justification for calling for their arrest.
Yeah. “They shouldn’t be above the law.” works better.
They add up to “therefore they should be attested”.
As fucking if lmao
I’m positive that they’ll be arrested and face justice 🤦🏽
Leave it to democrats to take a question about basic decency that massively works in their favor, and turn it into a dubious question of whether a criminal law was violated beyond a reasonable doubt.
the article is about the Haitian Bridge Alliance filing criminal charges because of the effects the “Haitian immigrants eating our dogs” lie has caused. This has nothing to do with party sides and everything to do with cause and effect. Jd vance openly said on tv that if he has to lie to get people’s attention then he’d do it, and now we’re seeing what happens when you mobilize a large part of the country to harass and discriminate against legal Haitian immigrants who are just trying to live their lives like anyone else.
Now as far as slander goes, the courts would need to decide if malice was involved in the statements that at least one of them has openly admitted to bring false.
Of course this could all just be avoided by not telling lies.
Lol WITF does that even mean? Leave it to Democrats to say the thing that people care about and promise to do something about it?
ARE YOU OKAY?
Maybe instead of resorting to exaggerated dismissals and suggesting I lack sanity, think about it for a minute because I think once you do, it’s pretty obvious.
What they should do about it is use it to win and keep Trump out of the White House. If they turn it into a criminal law issue it’ll confuse the matter and turn what should be an argument about right vs. wrong into legal vs. illegal. There exists a realm of behavior, quite a large realm in fact, of things that are deplorable but not illegal. Such as waving an ISIS flag, or walking around in a Hitler moustache and armband. That’s where Trump’s behavior fits.
This is why when a Nazi gets criticized, the first thing they do is cry “free speech”. Because by making it a legal matter, they’re picking the best hill for them to fight on. They skip the question of whether their behavior is reprehensible, and fight a battle they can win - whether it’s legal.
So if you want to do Trump the biggest favor imaginable, decide to fight this in the courts. Make the question “Is it legal to be racist” because we all know the answer is yes, and even if it wasn’t the courts (especially in red Ohio) are heavily in Trump’s favor and have repeatedly shown willingness to help him out. That way we can have a dismissal and headlines “Trump wins again” and pictures of him with a big smile on his face. See: Just about every past time Trump has been brought to court, or charged with impeachment.
What they should do about it is use it to win and keep Trump out of the White House. If they turn it into a criminal law issue it’ll confuse the matter and turn what should be an argument about right vs. wrong into legal vs. illegal. There exists a realm of behavior, quite a large realm in fact, of things that are deplorable but not illegal. Such as waving an ISIS flag, or walking around in a Hitler moustache and armband. That’s where Trump’s behavior fits.
they literally already tried to impeach him, twice over this. None of them worked because of republicans lmao.
Yes, which is why it’s bad to go where Republicans (legislators or judges) have all the power. Go to the media, hollywood, whatever. Why isn’t there a movie about the first Trump administration’s crimes yet? Go straight to the people.
Lets hope they get this done. Trump and Vance as prison buddys, now that is something I’d love to see.
I’m beginning to think RawStory exaggerates their headlines for clicks. An organization has asked a court to arrest them, a FAR cry from facing immediate arrest.
RawStory faces immediate arrest for spreading disinformation and falsely representing ongoing legal situations!
Ha, I wish!
Edit: Wait… If we send a message to a court, we can make it happen!
Also, gotta ask, is your name from the old Marvel villain or?
Nope, that bastion couldn’t tolerate the existence of mutant powers. This bastion, not only has no problem with mutant powers, but downright enjoys them.
I notice you’re not denying the super powered robot from the far future part…
Wow. Just looked into your comment history. Wow.
Seems you really need some good things in your life. Let us know if we can help.
? What in there got you so upset? The notion that playing sports could be fun? The horror of someone, ugh, criticizing communism?
I’m genuinely surprised and morbidly curious.
This comment makes you look like a bot. You didn’t reference a single thing they said and it wasn’t even a controversial statement. Looks like you’re the one that needs some help.
But they’re right tho
Wow. Not you too.
jk, I checked, op is definitely the one out of line here - no idea what they’re on about actually
I’m not going to look into the parent poster’s history, but they are right. As much as I despise Trumpists, the GOP and the media enabling them, RawStory is no better. Whenever I see such headline, I get to say “let me guess… yup. RawStory.” I’m this close with blocking them. I’m done with yellow press, be it from Fox News, Breitbart or, yes, RawStory. Give me something more objective, like APNews*, for example.
*I don’t like APNews movie critics, to be fair.
I looked. The guy is pretty normal.
wow, just read this comment, wow, what a string of words ordered in such a specific manner to demonstrate a specific concept.
Seems like you just need some more strings of words in your life. Let us know if you need any examples of better or different strings of words.
I absolutely despise Donald. But RawStory headlines are nearly as false as the drivel coming out of his mouth.
He’s fine.
He’s also right. The headline is shit.
They really aren’t
In their comment history, I see discussing exercise, talking about their (positive) social interaction with their community, and arguing (politely) about niche leftist issues. You may not like it, but this is the ideal lemmy lifestyle. Yours is a bunch of catty speculation at other people needing help because they disagree with you.
You’re not helping anyone.
Seems like you two visit all the exact same threads, huh? Not weird at all.
Touch grass.
Seems like you’re projecting when you claim others might need help.
There aren’t many people here I see the same people in almost all the threads I post in here
Yeah mate, a criminal record
Yeah of course they do. Nobody is surprised that the DNC is desperate to take these guys down legally.
Trump has faced two assassins in seven weeks for fuck’s sake. They’re desperate.
The would-be assassins were your people. All types of Americans are sick of your traitorous felon.
