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Bruh, it’s no more a multimedia player, it’s a advertising screen.
I hate it when I go to full screen and one of my (100s of) tabs has a youtube short that thinks “Oh, time to start playing again!”
Now I’ll have paused tabs start making noise and I won’t be able to find it until the ad is over.
That’s your fault for having 100s of tabs open.
Seriously. What’s wrong with you?
Did I miss some detail? I get the impressions from the comments this is some really poor choice for user experience as people will often pause to check something
But in my experience pause ads are nothing new at all and they start after the device has been idle. What did I miss that makes this different?
They’ve started serving ads when you skip backwards. Drives me fucking nuts.
I was willing to use the mobile app with ads because the interface is slightly less buggy.
Ad blocking on mobile web it is for me now 👍
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Tubular :)
Had to jump into the ‘name your alternative’ thread hehe.
Tubular because it includes SponsorBlock.
Tubular feels better, in my opinion.
Revanced ftw
This already happened. People looking up CPR instructions because a loved one is dying, only to be met with three unskippable ads.
Goodbye Meemaw.
Not defending YouTube here, but CPR is so time sensitive that if they were looking up instructions, she was a goner anyway.
Have you had CPR training? What you stated isn’t true. Every second counts. But looking up instructions and seeing a easy video will still help massively.
Exactly. It takes over a minute for permanent brain damage from a lack of oxygen, and it can take several, several minutes before actual death.
CPR started anytime within that range will help keep the person alive, as you are literally forcing their body to intake oxygen and pump the blood.
If you find someone without a heart beat and they aren’t already cold then call 911 and start cpr
Hey look, a blatant lie disguised as a fact!
I wonder how this furthers your agenda…
Proof? Aren’t there classes of videos non monetized on youtube? When I just google search for cpr and find the american red cross I quickly found written instructions as well as a youtube video that doesn’t appear to have any ads. Isn’t the problem that some video creators intentionally create videos for CPR in hopes of monetizing?
https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/83733719?hl=en
This means as a creator that’s not in YPP [Youtube Partner Program], you may see ads on some of your videos. Since you’re not currently in YPP, you won’t receive a share of the revenue from these ads, though you’ll still have the opportunity to apply for YPP as you normally would once you meet the eligibility requirements.
Thanks for the checking. I think the whole argument is pretty wild and specious, and factually suspect, that someone died because a person couldn’t look up the cpr video on time. YouTube is not a platform that is meant to deliver on demand life saving training. In NYC all the restaurants and workplaces have signs up in designated areas with instructions on how to do cpr. I suspect someone is going to more quickly look up written instructions or infographics if they need to Google. But really, this just speaks to the importance in staying up to date on CPR practices and having school and HR classes that teach this on a recurring basis. Using this as an argument against all ads is kind of nuts.
Also, the first step of most CPR instructions is call 911. So if you follow instructions, how are you watching a video on the phone? And can’t the operator coach you through the steps? https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/cpr-steps
Yeah, that may be so, but priorities man. Priorities! Think of our profits man! In this harsh economy, ever ad counts! We’re only controlling 90% of the internet while we strive for 100%. That’s 10% short. 10%! We only had a revenue of 305 billion in 2023 which is not nearly enough to cut down on ads. Billionaire lives matter man! Come on, everybody, say it all together: Make millionaires billionaires again! Billionaires first! Meemaws don’t consume enough anyway. Screw her. By the way, want some penis enlargement pills?
God, they better not be unskippable
I doubt they are video ads. On other streaming services they are just static images with transparent backgrounds displayed on one third of the screen or borders that show up around the paused video. Pause ads aren’t new and I’m guessing YouTube is following other streaming services.
If either of you opened the article, you would know you are correct. There is a picture in the article, the ad is a static banner next to the paused video.
Looks like the reddit embeds were newly added to the page, or weren’t loading correctly last night. Couldn’t tell those links were previews or final designs of what the ad format would look like. Disney pause ads for example have it overlayed on top of the video instead of shrinking the video to have a banner/border around it. https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/pause-ads-hulu-max-peacock-streaming-1235764850/
Yeah that looks worse
Is anyone even remotely surprised by this?
Are they so dumb They don’t realize that when we pause a video we are likely not watching or even near our fucking phone or screen at that time?
It’s the opposite. If you pause the video you the viewers are almost always looking at the screen. The pause button on a mobile phone or web browser is literally on the player. You are guaranteed to see it immediately after you push the button. You will see it when you un pause. These ads are display banners not video. It only takes a second to see the ad.
Unlike video ads that just auto play, especially when the video player auto plays more videos, there probably is more probability you aren’t actually watching, unlike pause ads that require user activity and focus on the screen to push the pause button.
Google probably only spent months researching this and they only have all the tracking and user studies to know what you said. Please ignore the obvious fact that you are looking at the screen when you are pausing or resuming a video, KingJalopy knows better and Google is just dumb. Nobody will see any of these ads and they are adding them in vain.
They do, they’re probably just hoping the advertisers don’t and keep paying for more ad space.
They don’t care. If the advertisers pay for that spot then they make money! This has been the story with TV ads for decades.
Advertising these days is less of a way for websites and services to make free money.
Of course websites and services that serve ads will deny this vehemently because advertisers who become aware of such practices (typically known as click fraud) will cut off those websites from ad revenue very quickly and stop serving ads there.
The idea is to trick the advertising companies into thinking that we are there and we are watching, and we care, so that they will pay money to the website to display ads there.
They do, and they don’t care. The algorithm is actually tailored to find out if/when you fall asleep while watching videos, and then recommends longer videos in autoplay when it believes you are, because they’ll get to play you more ads and cash out more. When/if they implement pause ads advertisers will have an even bigger case against against yt inflating ad watch time to make more money. Facebook has this issue as well.
The algorithm is actually tailored to find out if/when you fall asleep while watching videos, and then recommends longer videos in autoplay when it believes you are, because they’ll get to play you more ads and cash out more.
You might be misremembering / misinterpreting a little there. This behavior is not intentional, it’s just a side effect of how the algorithm currently works. Showing you longer videos doesn’t equate to showing you more ads. On the contrary, if you get loads of short videos you’ll have way more opportunities to see pre-roll ads, but with longer videos, you’re just to just the mid-roll spots in that video. So YouTube doesn’t really have an incentive to make it work like that, it’s just accidental.
Here’s the spiffing Brit video on this, which I think you might have gotten this idea from: https://youtu.be/8iOjeb5DTZI
Edit: to be clear, I fully agree that YouTube will do anything to shove ads down our throats no matter how effective they actually are. I’m just saying that this example you’ve brought is not really that.
Hmmm, so what you are saying is that I am just one ad blocker failing away from being productive in life?
Stallman was right.
When they said?
when he said that software should be free as in freedom, because that would solve this problem
While I don’t disagree with Stallman, how would that solve this problem? This is about a major video hosting platform having market shares and injecting ads into their streams / UI. I do not see - even if every line of youtube’s software sources were public - how that would solve the issue that the hosting platform can insert ads anywhere - honestly, as much as I hate ads, I can’t even blame youtube for doing something morally questionable - they are providing a service, they are not a public institution obligated to making information accessible.
that’s right: into their UI; with free software, you could use a different UI with no ads
Serious question: how can YouTube pay the bills with zero ads? I’m not talking about making a profit, just breaking even.
which is basically what we do using ublock origin - and then they inject ads directly into the video stream, and a custom UI wouldn’t help.
Thank you.
I’m guessing not when he justified pedophilia and zoophilia.
Soon: when you pause a video, it starts playing a video ad with audio, to make sure no silence time gets wasted from your speakers.
And your speakers are on subscription plans that charge you for every second that they play noise. Better upgrade to the next tier if you want to listen to anything else!
That’s fine, the ad co struck a deal with speaker co to not bill for those sound-seconds.
But now you have to watch and listen to the whole thing before you can resume the original video which was an ad to begin with.
There is also a tax on when the speakers are not in use.
Imagine if they pulled that on the idle timeout pause screen too…
Yeah and when someone needs to watch a video on CPR in an emergency get ready for a shitstorm if you are forced to watch their long ass ads
People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing. News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.
And also… I’ll never understand this. I use YouTube and don’t give a shit about ads. The moment they start bothering me- I’ll stop using YouTube. It’s that easy. Don’t like it, walk away.
If you hate something so much, yet can’t stop using it- you have an addiction. Ads are not the problem here.
Silliest comment of the week
People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing.
Go ahead and show the alternative, the alternative that has the content we need.
Before you respond that youtube is an entertainment service, I want to remind you that it isn’t, but that it’s only a part of it. You won’t handwave it away as if we were discussing netflix being enshittified.
I’m not using youtube for listening to music videos and such things, never were. When I end up there it’s because of a search result showing a relevrelevant video there, like disassembly of this or that, and such.
News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.
That’s objectively false. uBlock Origin devs and filterlist makers are doing a very good job.
Don’t like it, walk away.
That’s very similar to saying “don’t like your government? don’t like it, walk away, found your own”.
Yeah, that’s not his it works.I bet you would be the first to call those who abandoned youtube as cavemen for not being able to access some video you shared
I don’t care if there’s an alternative. You’re not obligated to watch YouTube. It’s not a job.
You can walk away.
Google constantly puts Youtube ads at the top of searches for information! Countless people put their information on Youtube in the form of videos! Tutorials get put on Youtube as a matter of course! There’s a trove of old media on Youtube that can’t be accessed any other way! Congratulations, you’ve won the award for the most thoughtlessly dismissive person on the internet today.
Be sure to keep whining about their practices while supporting them to continue with it.
It’s funny from where I sit.
how do we support it? how, when we don’t upload any content, we only give them server load instead of money, and don’t even increase the view count? how? if anything this is a loss for them, but not a gain that’s for sure
So you don’t know how watching YouTube videos equate to profit for YouTube?
Best you learn how that works before we continue this discussion further.
you definitely did not read my comment. but you know what! teach me Master!
I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in months.
Firefox with ublock origin on desktop / laptop Grayjay mobile app Smarttube on Android TV (also Flauncher customer launcher so I don’t have to see any ads on my TV home screen)
I feel like there is an argument to be made about ads being put into damn near everything. They’ve become way too prominent in every aspect of daily life. There are so many things you cannot do without having an ad rammed down your throat. Youtube isn’t the best example of this, but if you start giving up things that have ads, you will eventually have nothing. The root problem is corporate greed. Line must go up at an ever increasing angle, and shareholders must make maximum profit. How do they accomplish that? Ads. Regulatory bodies must step in before everything we see in a digital spaces (and a lot of real spaces too) becomes covered in advertisements.
Won’t be long before we go to the beach to watch the sunset, and there’s a floating billboard for mountain Dew covering it up. It’s out of control.
So again, no one is going to win this. The only recourse is to stop using YouTube.
That’s it.
That’s how you win. You don’t play. But constantly whining about their practices while continuing to support their platform with visits is not doing the damage you think it’s doing.
They will always be steps ahead of you.
to stop using youtube, to stop using your TV sized display that you have bought for a lot of money, stop using your car because it shows ads on the dashboard, public transport for the same reason, and the public roads too because every 10 meters there will be a billboard with even integrated tracking too.
yeah, defeatism was never a solution
If you don’t like YouTube, don’t watch YouTube. Your examples are fucking ridiculous because I’m not the one crying about any of those rings.
You didn’t really reply to my comment. You kinda just said the same thing again, but anyway.
I guess we’ll just agree to disagree. You can use YouTube without viewing ads. There are ways around it.
My point was, for the average consumer, there are way too many ads being put into everything, and unless you’re savvy enough to navigate around this, the only way this will change is with regulatory intervention, which can actually happen.
I wonder what made their leadership continue to escalate into increasingly bullshit decisions. What happens if I need to pause because I need my PC to be quiet so I can address something and still an ad suddenly starts playing, completely interrupting what I wanted to address in a completely intrusive way? I’ll tell you what happens, I’ll either find some way to disable that from happening, switch to a service that doesn’t do it if I can, or just begin avoiding it all together.
Brilliant planing, YouTube. Whoever has been left as its leadership is a dumbass.
Not to mention it’ll push more people towards using Adblockers. And since chrome is cracking down on Adblockers as well, people start using another browser altogether. It seems like Google is self-sabotaging with these kind of decisions.
Hilarious isn’t it? I stopped using Google search because they fucked it up too bad. I stopped watching YouTube years ago too because they already fucked it up.
I guess they just don’t want users anymore.
I guess they just don’t want users anymore.
Actually, they do; it’s just that Google has become a bit short-sighted. They’ve started prioritizing short-term revenue over long-term growth and user experience.
They seem to have forgotten that focusing on the long term and prioritizing user experience were the key factors that made them an internet giant in the first place.
In any case, Google is a sinking ship. I’ll give them a max of seven years before they become the next Yahoo if they keep making incompetent decisions like this.
Money.
Also I imagine the ads will be silent but animated, like a regular website ad but full screen, essentially turning whatever you’re watching it on into a giant billboard.
It’s just another thing to block I guess.
I should have opened the article, that’s a lot less intrusive than what I thought. If this is the extent of it, and frankly considering that Google let’s you opt out of personalized tracking when many sites have begun forcing them onto users and forcing me to constantly clear their cookies, that makes me a lot less mad with them.
Whoever has been left as its leadership is a dumbass.
Not in the slightest. More likely their annual bonus depends on boosting revenue right now. So they’re incentivised to generate short term increases in revenue but not for longer term. Plus, also, if/when Youtube goes tits up they’ll just get a different CEOing job (with “increased revenue by 25% in 2024 on their resume”) rinse and repeat.
