Even so devoted a bootlicker as Senator Lindsey Graham declared the debate a “disaster” for the ex-president.
Donald Trump is so feral and narcissistic, so unrestrained and so outside the norm of American politics, that he’s difficult to debate. It’s disorienting. Very few people have been able to stand up to him without being pulled into the muck. In the past, even when he lost debates on points, he dominated his opponents.
But on a Tuesday night in Philadelphia, Kamala Harris cracked the code.
I’m confused why people think Kamala won the debate - she was just regurgitating pre prepared meaningless lines.
Did you hear trump? He didn’t answer a single question, ranted about eating pets half the time, talked about how big his rallies are, and yeah that was all he did.
So it’s expected from Trump. Kamala didn’t answer any questions either but for some reason is getting a pass. She is just regurgitating cheap slogans, what good is that?
If kamala didn’t win who did? Because it certainly wasn’t trump.
Imo they both sucked
If you had to say one of them won, who would you pick?
I don’t disagree that there wasn’t a ton of useful information in the debate, there was barely room for anyone to talk actual policy, but Harris came across as a rational human who at least pretended to care about others while Trump was a blabbering idiot.
She clearly and concisely responded the questions she was obviously going to be asked. You may disagree with the answers, or you may just not like politicians, but she was obviously prepared and professional.
Donald rambled, lied, and went off topic constantly. He spent more time talking about what Kamala said than his own policy. When he was pressed on policy he had unclear answers or dodged entirely (e.g. “concepts of a plan”).
He came across as unhinged, bordering on detached from reality, and he seemingly doesn’t have any plan or vision for the country, except that it definitely isn’t project 2025 (except it probably is). He was undeniably more interesting to watch, but not in a good way. Based purely on the debate from last night it’s not clear if he’s fit to lead a book club, let alone a nuclear superpower.
That’s what debates have been pre-Trump.
There were never any surprises. They were expected to be composed and articulate.
It was mostly about getting voters to tune in at prime time because despite there being round the clock news, most people don’t actually pay close attention to politics.
I remember now what I always hated about debates, they were always boring reminder that both parties are the same
I recognize the feral and narcissistic paragraph from somewhere else. Source for this?
It was super effective. I am surprised he didn’t faint
Breaking a broken old man is just the purview for a black female cop.
I see what you did there.
Liberals should be careful with this. Y’all want them to feel like Trump did alright. We can’t have him being switched out at the 11th hour for a more competent candidate
That wouldn’t work. The idiots are voting for Trump not the Republican party. If they replaced him the idiots would see that as the Republicans betraying them. Then they would split the vote and write trumps name in anyway. Complete victory for Dems in that scenario
I don’t know. That might help accelerate the disintegration of the GOP.
But like others have said, if he’s alive he’s running.
Trump would rather die than not be the center of attention. He’s a narcissist, not feeling like the center of attention literally feels like dying. His ego wouldn’t allow it. His fear of going to jail wouldn’t allow it. And the fact that the republican party would implode wouldn’t allow it.
The scary thing (for Republicans) is that their whole party is currently held together by hairspray, orange spray tan solution, and Depends diapers.
When Trump goes, the rest will tear each other to shreds. As insane as he is, he’s the figure who’s holding it together. Like a fat gormless toad sitting on a stone in the middle of the pond.
As an outsider to American politics, I predict a (temporary) collapse in support for the Republican party the minute he’s ousted.
Trump cannot drop out. As long as he’s alive, he’s running.
rfk jr was too late to withdraw for filing deadlines, I have no idea what would happen if trump withdrew. His only way out of this is to kill JD Vance and make it look like a democrat did it.
Did nobody notice the moment when he tried to silence her and added, ‘sound familiar’ to make some sexist remark about telling women to shut up? “I’m talking now, sound familiar?”
She said “I’m speaking” to shut up pence in the 2020 debate. That’s what he was referring to. Still he’s a dick.
It’s genuinely so amusing how badly that little dig backfired on him. I’ve seen other people also not realizing he was trying to riff on “I’m speaking”. The thing he failed to realize is that essentially any professional women that were watching have likely heard that kind of shit from an older man at some point in their career, and it makes him look like (more of) a complete asshole.
Also she wasn’t even really interrupting him. If you watch the clip, she was muted and he was easily heard over her. It wasn’t as if she was really steamrolling.
You can tell it got under his skin in 2020, and this was just a pathetic way to “get back” at her for being a woman who asserted herself in a debate.
He got the line wrong so even most who would recognize it didn’t and the “sound familiar?” didn’t make any sense.
Wish I could read the article.
Here’s a few you can try in the future. You can take a paywalled link and append the address to the following sites:
archive.is/
archive.ph/
12ft.io/
removepaywall.com/Just take the website link from the taskbar and paste it directly after. This works the vast majority of the time.
Some might complain about getting around paywalls, but I don’t mind. The web was built to be free. If you want to have your info and stories completely behind a login, fine. Make your page require a log in to even see stories. Make that worth it to people, and you can build an audience. But don’t have your pages and stories accessible to draw people in, only to slap them with a paywall. That strategy always felt like a slimy bait-and-switch to me. I remember back in the 90s when Congress had a serious debate over whether for-profit commercial activity should even be allowed online at all. And it’s been downhill from there. Put your content on the open web or not. Pick a lane. Want a walled garden? Build a walled garden and don’t let people see inside without paying. But don’t lure people into your garden and then slap them with a pay booth once they’re starting to enjoy the flowers. If it’s even possible for people to use a paywall removal site, it proves you’re trying to pull a bait-and-switch on readers.
Cautious hope that this may a “Have you no sense of decency sir?” moment.
New “aight I’ma head out meme” just dropped
He should resign. Clearly he isn’t capable.
Resign from what, life? I’m on board that’s just an odd phrasing
Would not object. It’s been a good run, Donald.
Hes never had a good run
Shhh. You don’t have to lie. Not to him. At this point, I don’t think anyone’ll have to even tug on his reins; he’ll walk to the back shed on his own. Pick up the shells after. Don’t litter.
Even so devoted a bootlicker as Senator Lindsey Graham declared the debate a “disaster” for the ex-president.
Lindsey Slam!
Bad things happen in philly
What did they expect Kamala Harris used to be a prosecutor?
He thought he could take her because everyone around him always tells him what a good smart special big boy he is and they let him win at everything. As we all saw, his temper tantrums when he loses are something special.
According to his base he won the debate. But I think a lot of moderates and independents are going to think he looked like an idiot after that debate.
Yea, his base will follow him to McDonalds and back, no question. They love their Hamberdeler.
how?
did she come out strong on worker’s rights, healthcare, the environment, upping the minimum wage, police reform, or anything that would directly help the citizens?
debate watched was Harris and Trump babbling for over an hour with no concrete plan for anything out of either of them
Debates are terrible places for substance; you’ve got 2 minutes to talk and you still need to address your opponent and they can derail or misconstrue what you just said without a proper rebuttal. The point is to argue your side of things, which I think she did fine and was very strategic in avoiding things that would have put her at a disadvantage.
It’s like a Lemmy comment. You can have a good idea, write a paragraph or two, and you’ll still have people call you out because you can’t fully explain a topic in this format.
I only watched the first 10 minutes or so of the debate, and even I know Kamala Harris had plans for things she talked about. This is just a bad faith comment.
she did yes but none of it involved anything that is really needed
universal healthcare, police reform, environmental protections, minimum wage
only thing the Democrats stood strongly on was women rights which they have ignored for over half a century
so long so rights have now started to be lost and only now are they voicing an opinion on top for asking for donations
Very interesting that you think people don’t need help with childcare or affording housing. That’s a really nice and privileged bubble that you live in, I hope for your sake it never pops.
Harris answered the questions she was asked, and she was dealing with a non-participant flinging poo as her opponent. She couldn’t possibly bring up every subject you wanted her to in the time she was given, especially since a lot of that time ended up going to Trump while he screeched over her and the moderators.
people need help with childcare and affordable housing because of bipartisan politics
takes a higher minimum wage and better education to help with both of these plus workers’ rights and universal healthcare and police reform and environmental reforms
what good is help with childcare bills when the parent and/or parents is/are not paid enough to purchase food or other necessities and while they are on their way to get their child from that child care facility that they get assistance with they get pulled over and hassled by police and when they finally come home the electricity is off because they are not given living wages for the work they put in and then the kids grow not understanding as adults how to fix the situation in their country because they lack the tools better education would have provided thus the circle continues and the Republican and Democrats get their low paid factory worker that lacks the knowledge to improve their lives and will keep propping up the two party sham
takes more than just helping with childcare which is only needed because Democrats and Republicans both do not support living wages because their financial backers do not support it
was all show that seemed rigged and was void of substance that the US citizens desperately needed decades ago
The perfect is the enemy of the good…
Keep yelling at clouds banana. One day someone’s gonna stop ignoring you, I promise. Just don’t hold your breathe please, we all care for your health.
It has to be exhausting to constantly have such a shitty take.
exhausting to keep watching your fellow citizens eat shit from the two parties keeping the US down and loving it so much so that third parties are not considered
what did Harris say that was enough to get a vote besides the fact she is not Trump
That is so true, my fellow human who is definitely a citizen of the United States!
more of a dissident of the United States btw
not able to vote or do a lot of things that people who will blindly vote for Democrats or Republicans and play ball take for granted
the more the US falls apart under Democrat and Republican leaders the more people seem to latch on to them, but it is the wrong lifeboat and the last hundred years should have been a red flag that something more is needed to keep this sinking country afloat
On a sinking boat, alone, in the middle of the ocean:
“We should really get a different boat.”
Thank you. I can’t believe no one’s thought of this.
You only think we’re sheeple because you have such a massive forest/trees problem.
You can keep inflicting your lack of perspective on us condescendingly, but just know that’s all you’re doing.
I feel like most points against you have been pretty adequately addressed by other posters except one. Why ignore punctuation and capitalization, but still take the time to double return your sentences? If you’re breaking grammar rules to be edgy, why make your comment readable at all? Just throw it all together in one long ass sentence. It would save you precious milliseconds that could be better used attempting to elaborate on your completely asinine takes :)
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Convincing people not to vote for Democrats doesn’t result in 3rd parties being considered. It results in the GOP winning which makes it even more impossible for 3rd parties to gain ground.
Democrats aren’t keeping 3rd parties down, first past the post is. One of the 2 parties has to gain enough control to eliminate FPTP voting. Guess which party is completely against that idea and guess which one has a modicum of support?
(this is rhetorical, I have no interest in having any further conversation with you. It’s a waste of my time)
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