3,060,000 German military personnel were taken prisoner by the USSR and that 1,094,250 died in captivity (549,360 from 1941 to April 1945; 542,911 from May 1945 to June 1950 and 1,979 from July 1950 to 1955).[4]
Oh, so when do you take to the court half of western Germany? Up to late 70s justice ministry officials were in 30% ex nazi party members. Not mentioning BND ( ex org Gehlen ) which was nazi organization run by nazi army officer.
Did the Germans return robbed pieces of art?
Did the Germans repay restitution to the victims of German nazi camps ( yes, German because first nazi camps were created in Germamy like in Dachau 1933, then in Austria )
Did Germans repay for the victims of Intelligenzaktion ( killing action of Polish elite, educates people like doctors, academics, politicians and members of police and army )
Did Germans repay for intentionally robbing and demolishing any industrial or even cities like Warsaw?
As usual. Yes, two things can be bad at once. I’m not sure why every time the soviet union, Russia or China is criticised, there’s always a vocal minority going “WHAT ABOUT”. Yes, those are important issues too. Make a post about them. Don’t try to excuse war crimes with other issues. War Crimes are universally inexcusable.
You forget that Germans were allies of Soviet Union in the beginning. Yes, allies. Then the roles got reversed after they attacked Soviet union. It’s hard to be surprised that the Soviet union reaction of treating them badly after the war knowing how they treated civilians in Soviet Union
Still Germans died not of poisonous gas but the harsh realities of gulags. The same gulags were many eastern Europeans thrown into for nothing. Stil they weren’t subjected of the nation wide “final solutions” which they wanted to enforce on Jews and Polish ( yes, they were to be killed in their final solution but on the second place )
They started the war, they dealt with cruel people, they blame Poles about everything including the change of borders as if Poland didn’t lose the eastern border.
That’s the Soviets who decided about the change of eastern lands of German, not Poles.
Germans should know the meaning of the word “selbstschuld”. Actions have consequences and when you start wars with superpowers, the consequences are very big.
I see in recent years increase of German propaganda to portray themselves as prime victims in the ww ii on par with the Jews.
Still it’s the best class propaganda as “Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland” which have been proved by even German journalists to vastly fake
All war crimes are bad. The germans were horrible genociders who commited more war crimes than we’ll ever know of. But it does not excuse those committed by other nations.
Stop with the murding half a million people apologia.
So show me the facts confirming murdering half a million people. Facts not lies. German POWs died not because of mass genocide action but because or harsh realities of Soviet gulags ( harsh living conditions, diseases and little food ).
If that’s what constitutes for you war crimes, even soviet prisoners would have to be called victims of war crimes.
You forget that Germans were allies of Soviet Union in the beginning.
What? No. Is this more Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact nonsene? If the USSR and Germany were allies because of a non-aggression pact, then so were many other Allied states allies of Germany. The USSR signed that pact to buy itself time to build up their war capacity, knowing that Germany was likely to eventually try to invade. The Nazis came to power as virulent anticommunists, as fascists always are, because fascist movements are always funded by the capitalist class.
To characterize a communist state and an anticommunist state as “allies” is absurd. Two states can’t be more at odds with each other than that.
Soviets trained Nazi tank and artillery crew and provided them place for military training
That all ended before or just as the Nazis seized control the German state. So no, they didn’t train Nazis, because the military wasn’t a Nazi one yet.
Oh, so when do you take to the court half of western Germany? Up to late 70s justice ministry officials were in 30% ex nazi party members. Not mentioning BND ( ex org Gehlen ) which was nazi organization run by nazi army officer.
Did the Germans return robbed pieces of art? Did the Germans repay restitution to the victims of German nazi camps ( yes, German because first nazi camps were created in Germamy like in Dachau 1933, then in Austria )
Did Germans repay for the victims of Intelligenzaktion ( killing action of Polish elite, educates people like doctors, academics, politicians and members of police and army )
Did Germans repay for intentionally robbing and demolishing any industrial or even cities like Warsaw?
Please let’s talk seriously about war crimes
As usual. Yes, two things can be bad at once. I’m not sure why every time the soviet union, Russia or China is criticised, there’s always a vocal minority going “WHAT ABOUT”. Yes, those are important issues too. Make a post about them. Don’t try to excuse war crimes with other issues. War Crimes are universally inexcusable.
You forget that Germans were allies of Soviet Union in the beginning. Yes, allies. Then the roles got reversed after they attacked Soviet union. It’s hard to be surprised that the Soviet union reaction of treating them badly after the war knowing how they treated civilians in Soviet Union
Still Germans died not of poisonous gas but the harsh realities of gulags. The same gulags were many eastern Europeans thrown into for nothing. Stil they weren’t subjected of the nation wide “final solutions” which they wanted to enforce on Jews and Polish ( yes, they were to be killed in their final solution but on the second place )
They started the war, they dealt with cruel people, they blame Poles about everything including the change of borders as if Poland didn’t lose the eastern border.
That’s the Soviets who decided about the change of eastern lands of German, not Poles.
Germans should know the meaning of the word “selbstschuld”. Actions have consequences and when you start wars with superpowers, the consequences are very big.
I see in recent years increase of German propaganda to portray themselves as prime victims in the ww ii on par with the Jews.
Still it’s the best class propaganda as “Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland” which have been proved by even German journalists to vastly fake
https://annas-archive.org/md5/f1080fdfe86c9cd59178192c0f5cc781
All war crimes are bad. The germans were horrible genociders who commited more war crimes than we’ll ever know of. But it does not excuse those committed by other nations.
Stop with the murding half a million people apologia.
So show me the facts confirming murdering half a million people. Facts not lies. German POWs died not because of mass genocide action but because or harsh realities of Soviet gulags ( harsh living conditions, diseases and little food ).
If that’s what constitutes for you war crimes, even soviet prisoners would have to be called victims of war crimes.
It’s absurd of your terminology invention
What? No. Is this more Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact nonsene? If the USSR and Germany were allies because of a non-aggression pact, then so were many other Allied states allies of Germany. The USSR signed that pact to buy itself time to build up their war capacity, knowing that Germany was likely to eventually try to invade. The Nazis came to power as virulent anticommunists, as fascists always are, because fascist movements are always funded by the capitalist class.
Lol. No, it’s only the public part. Germans disclosed the secret part which clearly stated what I said.
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/secret-supplementary-protocols-molotov-ribbentrop-non-aggression-pact-1939
Soviets trained Nazi tank and artillery crew and provided them place for military training in times when they were forbidden to have heavy arms.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school
It’s a basic history material from the secondary school maybe
To characterize a communist state and an anticommunist state as “allies” is absurd. Two states can’t be more at odds with each other than that.
That all ended before or just as the Nazis seized control the German state. So no, they didn’t train Nazis, because the military wasn’t a Nazi one yet.