• whenyellowstonehasitsday@fedia.io
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    3 months ago

    “the f22 is demonstrably the most advanced air superiority fighter the world has ever seen, and the us could deploy them in situ if they wanted” vs “nuh uh”

    BORING try again

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      3 months ago

      Because they bought jets from somebody who makes them has nothing to do with the US government, unless you’re suggesting the government itself turn any buyers away.

      Fun fact, Airbus isn’t a US company, and you probably fly on those quite a bit versus Boeing. Sit with that.

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        omfg you actually went for the argument of “the f22 isn’t actually that good”

        from an admittedly very western perspective, probably the best air superiority fighter with no us involvement is the ef2000, and the f22 absolutely trounces it

        boeing doesn’t make the f22, and building a civilian airliner is a thoroughly different skill to building a military jet

        i legitimately cannot believe this is the argument you’re attempting

        also, i already told you i’m a ncd addict, i very obviously don’t leave the house, and therefore don’t travel on airbus or boeing jets

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          Nope, didn’t say anything about the jets. Doesn’t matter. Not sure why you’re focusing on that specifically though, because the F22 is actually an aerial maneuver plane, and has nothing to do with bombing. They would choose a more slow and steady plane for bombing.

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            Because they bought jets from somebody who makes them has nothing to do with the US government

            you literally did but ok

            the F22 is actually an aerial maneuver plane

            yes the f22 is what would enforce the nfz, try again

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              No, it doesn’t. Russia, France, Britain, Brazil, Canada all make air capable weapons.

              Again, you’re just arguing and not being helpful here. Bye.

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                none of those countries make a weapon system capable of shooting down an f22

                edit because this slipped by me the first time, but “air capable weapons” is an absolutely hilarious phrase

                what the fuck do you mean “air capable weapons”? weapons that are capable of firing upwards? is a ww2-era flak cannon an “air capable weapon”? is a shepherd’s sling an “air capable weapon” because you can fire it upwards if you try? absolute clown show with you this is great

                Again, you’re just arguing and not being helpful here

                “excuse me you aren’t agreeing with me please could you stop arguing with me and start being helpful”

                i hope you’re drunk or something because this makes no sense

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                  3 months ago

                  Again, you are wrong.

                  Germany and Finland both make stealth adversary systems. Finland even makes tracking systems that are specifically tailored to supersonic weapons. Both mentioned in that last assault on Ukraine that Russia didn’t waste money trying again.

                  Britain makes one of the most capable air-air tracking systems in the world, which is why that is employed on things like “The Dome”. You for some reason thought the US alone was just making all these things?

                  Finally, you apparently didn’t realize why this whole thread started. I asked for better solutions. You’ve provided zero, and worse conversation about the topic. That’s why we are conversing.

                  Later.

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                    yes the f22 is notable because it’s supersonic, not for any other reason, you definitely know what you’re talking about

                    Britain makes one of the most capable air-air tracking systems in the world

                    britain regularly engages in friendly war games with the us, and regularly loses the very minute the f22 stops taking handicaps, what is your point?

                    the british made starstreak is probably one of the best manpads out there, and against an f22 it may as well be a piss-filled water balloon, because f22s don’t fly low enough for manpads to be effective

                    the iron dome isn’t even the theoretical israeli system that would intercept an f22. that would be david’s sling, and i seriously doubt that raytheon, the american company contracted to create it, would be legally permitted to outsource a system that could shoot down the us’s best plane

                    i provided 3 better solutions, and you limp-wristedly whined about how other countries in europe exist