He’s had yet another horrible week. The old tricks aren’t working. Kamala Harris does not fear him. And it’s showing in the numbers.
I have to admit when I’m wrong.
I was all for Joe staying in the race, because I didn’t think the Dems would coalesce around one candidate without a shit-show convention.
Now I’m glad I was wrong. Just putting it out there.
100% the same
Dude I’ve never been so happy to be wrong as fuck
I’m glad everyone feels this way, I do too. I thought with Joe we had pretty solid chances of winning, but now with Kamala I think we’re going to win by a lot more than Joe won by last time around.
You know what the cool thing is? Those of us who were wrong for one reason or another will actually about it. We don’t pretend we were right the whole time. We don’t pretend it just didn’t happen.
Hindsight being what it is, I’m almost wondering if the timing was planned in advance. Biden already told us he’d be a one term president. If in 10 years they came out and said “Yeah, that was the plan from day one but we couldn’t tell anyone” I would absolutely believe it.
What an absolute gamble that would be. Trust me, reality is stranger than fiction.
my own little conspiracy theory i like to think about is that biden threw that debate on purpose lol.
It’d be interesting to find this out, but given how disorganized the Democrats tend to be, I seriously doubt that’s the case.
I threw an idea out in response to a comment here right after Biden backed out and the more I think about, the more it seems likely to be right.
My theory is that the DNC likely timed Biden stepping aside so it would be late enough they couldn’t hold primaries for the nominee. It came out in 2016 that the DNC was basically rigged for Clinton to win, regardless of what voters wanted. The 2016 primaries caused dissension with voters leading to lower turnout, and I think that was also somewhat true in 2020. By waiting as long as he did to back out, Biden took voter choice out of it and helped rally everyone behind Harris.
I could absolutely be wrong, but every time I run it through my head it feels more likely to be true. And if I’m right, it is a bit sleazy. However, I have to admit I’m surprised and impressed by how it’s turned out. I didn’t expect people to rally so strongly behind Kamala, and I’m excited to be a part of it!
It wasn’t “rigged” for Clinton (and I thought she was not a good candidate).
Bernie lost because less people voted for him.
If it wasn’t for the undemocratic caucuses, he would have lost earlier. For example, he won the Washington caucus but got crushed in the primary (which had massively higher turn out).
The fact of the matter is that the broader electorate wasn’t as left-wing as Lemmy or /r/politics is.
Do you not remember all the leaks showing extreme bias towards Clinton, derision of Sanders, and even deals between Clinton and the DNC?
The emails and documents showed that the Democratic Party’s national committee favored Clinton over … Bernie. … The leaks resulted in allegations of bias against Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign in apparent contradiction with the DNC leadership’s publicly stated neutrality, as several DNC operatives openly derided Sanders’s campaign and discussed ways to advance Hillary Clinton’s nomination. Later reveals included controversial DNC–Clinton agreements dated before the primary, regarding financial arrangements and control over policy and hiring decisions. source
Or that DNC leaders argued in court that they didn’t need to hold impartial primaries and could select whatever candidate they wanted?
… DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate. source
For their part, the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charter’s promise of ‘impartiality and evenhandedness’ as a mere political promise—political rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts. The Court does not accept this trivialization of the DNC’s governing principles. While it may be true in the abstract that the DNC has the right to have its delegates “go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way, the DNC, through its charter, has committed itself to a higher principle. source
At the end of the day, yes, Bernie got fewer votes. But that is a small part of the iceberg, ignoring all the things that led up to it and all the biases at play in the organization putting the vote on in what I would (and did) call a “rigged” primary.
This take is reductive to the point of dishonesty. It was, in fact, rigged for Clinton in a number of ways. Major media outlets invariably attributed an overwhelming majority of superdelegate votes to Clinton, right from the beginning. In all the reportage most people saw of the race, this dishonest framing gave a strong impression that Sanders had no chance—that voting for him would be a waste.
To say nothing of any other chicanery that took place, that went a long way to depress progressive turnout, and dissuade any moderate Democrats from considering him as a serious contender. The media were pro-Clinton in a much more fervent and mask-off way than they’ve ever been pro-Trump, and mainstream Dems, by and large, believe the shit they read in WaPo and NYT.
The primary was rigged before it even began. Typically when there’s no incumbent you’ll see several politicians make a run for the nomination. But 2016 was different. Hilary and the DNC went around to all of the presidential hopefuls in 2015 and basically told them to sit this one out because it’s her turn. Hilary was supposed to waltz her way to the nomination uncontested because they didn’t want a repeat of 2008. The only reason we got the Hilary vs. Sanders contest is because Sanders was an outsider so he didn’t get the memo (or perhaps they didn’t consider him a serious threat).
I think you’re underestimating the effect power has on the psyche.
Sure, Biden said he would be a one term president. Sure, the DNC will do anything including breaking its own rules to avoid allowing anyone left of center to be the nominee.
But when you’re in the most powerful position in the world (Biden’s donors), you want to keep going.
I think Biden really is just too old and his brain is not working properly and he has health issues, which I believe is the only reason he stepped down, and if those in power beside him did not threaten to force him out of power in an embarrassing way, he would have been happy to have the chance to lose the election and end democracy.
Even right up to the debate, people were repeating ad naseum the absurd lie from the DNC and cable news, that Biden is the only candidate who can beat Trump.
Look at Feinstein. The people pushing her wheelchair were absolutely ready to have her run for another term, with fucking dementia or whatever her health issue is……
Maybe! I’m not really advocating that thought, I’m just saying it wouldn’t surprise me. And I’m pretty happy to say I was wrong in thinking the DNC would be a total shit show of competing interests. She’s not my perfect candidate, but honestly no one is and I’m not going to let perfect be the enemy of good. Plus I like Walz.
Look at Feinstein. The people pushing her wheelchair were absolutely ready to have her run for another term, with fucking dementia or whatever her health issue is……
That was one of the most fucked up things I’ve ever seen in politics. She was more mostly dead than Westley in The Princess Bride.
I’m torn, I really like Walz, but I also can’t in good conscience vote for someone who supports the genocide in Gaza.
I’m very thankful I live in a blue state.
I’m open to Harris walz but I need something to happen to end this genocide before I can take them seriously.
I’m so glad folks are getting excited about Harris walz though….
As a preface to this, I’m not the one downvoting you. I also think what’s happening is abhorrent.
Since you’re in a blue state, it’s not nearly as big of a deal. However, for anyone reading this in battleground states, remember that the only alternative who actually has any shot of winning in FPTP electoral college is Trump who thinks Israel should “finish the job”.
I’m pretty sure you know why you’re being downvoted. If we want more real options we need to start working towards any system that isn’t FPTP electoral college bullshit.
I’m being downvoted because of libtard blue no matter who neoliberal folks who only watch cable news.
Yes, I know exactly why, and it’s very sad that they can support genocide so flippantly
And if this hurts your feelings get over it I guess there’s a fucking genocide going on and you’re in support of it
I’ll hold my “I was wrong” until the day the last votes are counted…
I don’t think we have to wait for that. Biden was 100% losing, now Kamala at least has a chance.
Hey now, we’re only halfway there. Between Biden, Hillary and likely protesters for Palestine it can still be a shit-show convention.
Though fiercely hope not.
I love how Trump’s treatment of the Kurds gets a free pass from those protesters.
I would bet my next paycheck that most of them probably could not even explain what he did to the Kurds.
Most of them didn’t know (or knew and did not care) about what Israel has been doing to Palestine for decades now, and were told that this is somehow Joe Biden’s fault or some shit.
To be fair (and I was a great supporter of Dark Brandon), Joe Biden has been a huge supporter of Israel including derailing Hillary Clinton’s attempt to stop settlement construction (when she was secretary of state).
What Kurds
😢
(I know about it. I’m making a dark joke.)
This is whataboutism.
Any time you point out hypocrisy it’s a ‘what about.’
Or, you know, this? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna141905
For those who hate clickbait:
- Trump breaks silence on Israel’s military campaign in Gaza: ‘Finish the problem’
“The former president has largely avoided weighing in on Gaza as President Joe Biden has faced criticism from within the Democratic coalition over his support for Israel.”
The Repub leadership seems to be clamoring for taking actions on a spectrum between deporting protesters to Gaza or simply nuking Gaza.
I love how Trump’s promise to deport those protesters gets a free pass from those protesters. My brother is one of them, always ranting about “Genocide Joe” and hating the Democrats passionately despite being (ostensibly) liberal. It’s like in his universe the Republicans don’t even exist, and I just can’t understand his viewpoint.
Apparently, there’s a giant far Left majority in the USA, and the only thing holding it back is the DNC.
[better add the /s, because someone is going to explain that it is true.]
It’s plain as day: They think their “conscious will be clean” and to them that’s more important than the lives of millions of Palestinians.
Absolutely none of those protestors believe Trump would be better for Palestine. They believe genocide is criminal, and immoral — and can’t in good conscience stand behind anyone who supports or enables it, regardless of the threat of something worse.
It may not be diplomatic or cunning, but it isn’t rocket science. It’s called morality and conviction. Don’t be disingenuous.
It’s not being ‘disingenuous’ it’s about living in the real world.
Back in the day, there were escaped slaves and women who couldn’t vote who worked for politicians who couldn’t assure them that, if elected, they would be able to actually change the laws.
There were plenty of African Americans who volunteered for WW2, knowing first hand about the Jim Crow laws. They decided that supporting the US was the best way to stop something worse.
If you fight against a Joe Biden, knowing that the Trump will be worse, you’re not being moral.
I don’t think you, or other idiots who were willing to give up their vote to allow Trump to win an destroy Palestine, have any fucking idea just how bad it will get if he wins.
Maybe your conscious will be clear, but you will have been directly responsible for the deaths of millions of Palestinians due to your inaction.
That is the reality.
There is no “do nothing” here. Doing nothing is tantamount to aiding in the complete destruction of the Palestinian state and its people. You should be ashamed.
Well you’re wrong in multiple ways. Firstly, I’m not American. Secondly, If I were American I would’ve voted Democrat my entire life, including for Biden and any corporate whore they put forward in a skin suit — probably longer, and more well-informed about the nuances of modern American politics, than you ever will be — but just because I’ll suck it up and eat the shit sandwich doesn’t mean I’m not gonna call the Democrats corporate whores or genocide enablers, because that is what they objectively are.
There’s a real simple solution here. Stop funding and arming a genocidal ethnostate! What a radical concept, huh?
I’m not American.
Then I’ll explain how the political system works.
A lot of people in the USA like the ethnostate and are happy to keep it going.
If the people who oppose it try to just cut funding they will be voted out and can do nothing.
A lot of people in the USA like the ethnostate and are happy to keep it going.
Mate, I already know America’s a proto-fascist failed state. You’re not making a solid case for the continuation of American democracy if the majority support genocide. The majority of Germans supported Hitler. But congrats, I guess?
Luckily for you, even with a media wholly owned and operated by an oligarchy who profits from eternal war, there is a solid division in supporting the ethnostate among the people. They just care more about domestic problems and defeating Trump than the oligarchs crimes in the middle east. It’s understandable, considering most of what the people actually want is completely ignored by politicians on both sides of the aisle anyway.
Don’t forget boogaloo fellas and local cops who have been taken in by some kind of propaganda and left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected. I hope not, but the convention has the potential to be a fuckin atom bomb of colliding toxic forces.
left-wing useful idiots who got all spun up on internet nonsense to think that the best way to help the Palestinians is to make sure Trump gets elected.
I said it before about Biden and I’ll say it again about Kamala: the one thing that could sink her chances will be to burn the bridge with pro-palestinian protestors.
It’s not up to protestors if Kamala looses, it’s up to Kamala.
This is domestic abuse logic
“I have decided to do X, which outcome will be catastrophic, if you do Y. So therefore, if you do Y, it’s going to become your fault what will happen.”
If you wanna push the Democrats to better outcomes on Gaza, sounds fuckin great. I definitely think that the activism so far has woken them up + it’s clearly better than just the only voice they hear that has any teeth being the Israel lobby. But don’t play games with the placement of responsibility.
Did I send you the Ralph Nader interview where he talks about how to apply this principle (specifically to the Democrats, I think specifically as pertains to Gaza) productively instead of terroristically?
If you wanna push the Democrats to better outcomes on Gaza, sounds fuckin great
Then who the fuck are you complaining about?
That’s what the protestors are doing you nag, maybe you should stop comparing them to domestic abusers
Then who the fuck are you complaining about?
I am complaining about the people who are trying to make the Democrats lose the general election, with no particular plan to translate that into good action from the Democrats on Gaza, all the while congratulating themselves about what a great and noble thing they’re doing. I can cite many of them on Lemmy. I assume that they exist in the real world also, and that a bunch of them will show up this week at the convention.
I am not complaining about the people who are trying to get better outcomes for Gaza, which does in fact include getting concessions from the Democrats including withholding support. Sounds great.
If it’s done strategically with the aim of better outcomes for Gaza, then fuckin fantastic. If it’s done with a strategy which sort of seems accidentally like maybe it may produce mostly bad electoral outcomes for the Democrats, and not much in the way of good outcomes for Palestinians, then I don’t like it.
It’s fair that you asked the question you asked. Now that I’ve explained a little, though, does that make sense? I can’t see how it can be a confusing point of view or anything you want to say literally anything to aside from “yes I can agree with that.”
Here’s Nader talking about good ways to do it. Fuckin fantastic.
Somewhere in my history is (supposedly; it’s impossible to know for sure) a Palestinian laying out in extremely passionate detail how disgusted he is with people who are using his dying countrymen to make a bad-faith political argument to try to get the guy elected who will endanger, not just his family still back home, but also his friends and family here, in the US, here and now. I looked for it a little bit but couldn’t find it. If you want to hear, I’m happy to dig it up.
There is no form of activism that does not harm the reputation of those who are being protested. And since it seems we’re choosing to be vague about who it is who is supposedly crossing this imaginary boundary between good and bad faith protest, I’m going to assume it’s arbitrary, based on what you personally find uncomfortable.
How about addressing the ongoing support for genocide, instead of blaming it on the people protesting it?
Biden seems to be going all in for Harris, but according to the AP, the DNC still hasn’t updated their paperwork to reflect Biden dropping out, so it could very well end up a shit show.
I think Biden will be alright to be honest, even should he stumble through his speech it’s not too bad given he’s not running anymore. Just look at the joint Harris/Biden adress the other day about the pharmaceutical prices. Not a great speech by Biden, but everyone is sort of in “alright grandpa, let’s get you to bed” mode.
The protests can get ugly, though I truly pray they won’t. But another unfortunate reaction/statement about Palestine from Harris would be bad, and worst case the protests get violent and actual fights break out - which would be bad bad.
I also don’t see why we’re opening the Hillary box again even though it’s just a speech. But what do I know.
I hope it’s a major shit-show. I want to see how Harris handles Gaza.
I got plenty of flak for suggesting Joe needed to go. The thing is, Kamala isn’t a perfect candidate either but holy hell the (perceived) difference in voter attitudes is absolutely palpable. With Joe we’d have had people voting Trump just to avoid falling asleep (not supporting that at all, but the average voter operates on extremely simple heuristics).
Same here. What a pleasant surprise this whole turnaround has been. I was certainly pesimistic that the Democrats would somehow make the situation even worse, like perhaps bring Clinton back.
The Democrats will nominate George Clinton before they nominate Hillary again.
Just another voice in the crowd to say “Same”. Herein lies one of the major differences I see with “R” vs “D”. One side sees learning and admitting mistakes as the ultimate sin, whereas the other generally embraces learning and changing a viewpoint as new information comes to light.
I remember writing that the Vietnam was was a terrible mistake and someone came to tell me that it was a noble cause and a moral victory.
Very true. This overall symptom has accelerated vastly since Regan.
It’s all in the clock
80 days until election day
70 days until early voting starts in Michigan
66 days until early voting starts in Wisconsin
61 days until early voting starts in North Carolina
45 days until the vice-presidential debate
30 days until early ballot drop off starts in Pennsylvania
24 days until the first presidential debate
Can you be a bot for all the posts until then? Or is there a simpleURL.com for this?
People know Trump is a genocidal white supremacist Nazi and the world isn’t populated by cisgender white males.
You know, you can be a cisgender white male, and still hate Donald Trump.
General Mattis has entered the chat.
Can confirm
Yup
Best part is watching him eventually get convicted. Tic tac, orange man.
Eventually?
Convicted again*, he’s already got 34 felonies.
i think you mean sentenced
“Mock the devil and he will run from you”
Watch out, this may mean he’s going to take the low road a cheat. Regardless VOTE!!!
Of fucking course Trump is going to cheat! In fact, his MAGA flying monkeys are cheating now, as we speak. The Trump campaign is recruiting literally 100,000 poll “observers” (read: saboteurs) to help it cheat. “Donald Trump and the MAGA movement’s coup attempt on Jan. 6 never stopped.”
The Trump campaign’s main strategy for 2024 isn’t to actually win votes. It’s to deliberately interfere with the counting of the votes and cast so much FUD on the process that as many states as possible either won’t (because they’re MAGA-controlled) or can’t (because there was genuinely that much disruption) certify their votes. In other words, he wants to file dozens of lawsuits challenging the results again, but manufacture valid bases for them this time. Combine that with the chaos of more Jan 6-style violence, and it’s very likely he will succeed in getting a decisive number of swing states decided by the Supreme Court a la Bush v. Gore – and not only does the Supreme Court have a MAGA majority, three of the fucking “justices” were lawyers on Bush’s side in that very court case!
This is why Trump is going around telling his supporters that they won’t have to vote anymore after this election, and why he doubled down on it when given the chance to walk it back. He has every intention of so thoroughly destroying Americans’ trust in Federal elections that four years from now he will simply make a dictatorial decree that it is pointless to have them and he will simply remain in power indefinitely.
Trump is 100% committed to seizing power and being coronated as America’s king, votes be damned.
More people need to be taking about this. The only way to stop it is to shine as bright a light as possible on it.
VOTE!! and also there is NO QUESTION his fart sniffing followers will CHEAT FOR HIM — let’s all get this through our heads NOW
There is already cheating with gerrymandering and reduced voting areas in specific places in many places, so even if you see lots of activity that suggests a major win for Harris, vote anyway to cover those whose votes will be suppressed. That we even have to plan for that in a country that touts voting as a right is insane.
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It didn’t hit him, maybe only his oversized ego got dented, a man behind him were hit, this guy should be in media on a daily basis, not Trump. DJT was scratched only.
has no idea what has hit him
well it ain’t a bullet that’s for sure
Six days ago, The New York Times ran a story under the headline “Inside the Worst Three Weeks of Donald Trump’s 2024 Campaign.”
You know things are bad when the worst three weeks are after an attempted assassination.
“TFW you get shot (at) and it’s not even the biggest political story of the week”
Angry orange will never stop flailing. Hes simply out of his depth and all the life preservers being thrown to him are just so much wet paper and about as effective
“Forget it Donny, you’re out of your element!”
He’s drowning and they’re tossing him rolls of bounty like he did the people in Puerto Rico.
Oh geez… I swear, this sub is becoming just like r/politics… one sided.
It is?
Democrats should not be supporting genocide. Netanyahu should not be able to buy candidates.
Now watch what happens.
You say that as if Trump, as the Republican nominee, would do anything better with Israel
Nice whataboutism.
Not only is it possible to be upset about genocide (you should try it sometime), it’s also possible to be upset about genocide without being a Trump supporter.
Thank you for proving the point I was making.
Absolutely, 100%… but you didn’t bring that up in this specific post and context because it was a standalone point. You were already bringing the us vs them narrative and now are playing the pearl clutching.
My only mistake was feeding the troll here
If you want to see more pro-trump articles posted here then be the change you wish to see in the world: post them yourself.
That’s because there’s only really one reasonable side. What, do you WANT to see antivax misinfo in here?
Now, that’s not fair. Conservatives offer more than just antivax misinfo.
They also have misogyny, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, anti-education, climate denialism, billionaire worship, war-mongering, domestic terrorism cheerleading and so much more!
Oh yes, how could I forget their main platform? :-)
Key-rye more
You can’t be sane and support Trump. You just can’t. There’s no debate here. He’s a lunatic and people who support him are lunatics.
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Trump: “she doesn’t like Jewish people. You know it, I know it, and everybody knows it, and nobody wants to say it.”
Yeah, probably because she loves them, and everyone else as well.
Her husband Doug is Jewish.
Dotard Don 🤦🏽🤦♀️🤦🏻♂️
I think Trump is accustomed to thinking his spouses are lesser beings that exist only to bolster his image and serve at his pleasure, and he probably harbors deep feelings of disdain for all of them that he can’t express publicly.
So for him it totally tracks to be married to a type of person that you hate.
So for him it totally tracks to be married to a type of person that you hate.
Women, for example
Sounds like he might want to marry a man then
he probably harbors deep feelings of disdain for all of them
It’s not even a question. He literally buried his ex-wife on his fucking golf course without a headstone and then let the site become overgrown.
This isn’t a bad thought but it implies that he remembers she is married to a Jewish person. He definitely doesn’t. He can’t even pronounce her name or pick a wrong pronunciation to go with.
And Trump’s wife, mother, and grandfather are and were immigrants, but it doesn’t stop him from hating immigrants. That type of inconsistency isn’t an issue for him, so I imagine calling Harris an antisemite is perfectly reasonable to him.
Great point. Same with openly gay Peter Thiel who hand picked weirdo JD Vance, completely behind Project 2025, which is staunchly anti-gay.
Thiel knows that money and power trump the law (pun intended, I guess) so anti-gay legislation won’t affect him or his circle.
Hey Donnie, you remember those “fine people on both sides” in Charlottesville? What were they chanting exactly?
Fucking asshole
If she loves Jewish people so much then why doesn’t she marry 'em?? 🤪
Oh wait…
Please tell me he said this.
Because kamala harris is playing checkers whilst donald trump is playing tic-tac-toe.
This was dumb in 2016 on /r/thedonald, and it is dumb now
I didn’t know it was already a thing. I assure you i made that up on the spot. If someone else already made the joke, then i didn’t know. But im glad im not the only person who thinks it’s funny.
trump is playing bingo.
He’s playing Snakes and Ladders (Chutes and Ladders?) in 4D. The man’s a genius, I tells you.
Before anyone starts getting a bit too high off their own supply Harris’s polling averages peaked on August 12th. They were stagnant or declining on the 13th and 14th, briefly spiked on the 15th, and that spike was completely undone on the 16th. Today is dropping again. Not big drops, like 1/10th of a point every other day(which day depends on which conglomerates you use), but the growth trend is over.
Agreeing that it is wise to not grow overconfident.
We still are far from winning this battle.
Canadian, not my fight. Our liberals ain’t doing so good
Today is an all time high on slightly right leaning RCP, and a slight rebound on 538(But not to 12th/13th/15th levels). More like 16th or 11th evening. RCP tends to lag a bit on D rises and vice versa for 538 so we’ll see. Still suggests the overall strong growth trend passed and we’re nearing a ceiling. Not a bad ceiling, a winning ceiling, but it’s there.
