Temperatures above 50C used to be a rarity confined to two or three global hotspots, but the World Meteorological Organization noted that at least 10 countries have reported this level of searing heat in the past year: the US, Mexico, Morocco, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Pakistan, India and China.
In Iran, the heat index – a measure that also includes humidity – has come perilously close to 60C, far above the level considered safe for humans.
Heatwaves are now commonplace elsewhere, killing the most vulnerable, worsening inequality and threatening the wellbeing of future generations. Unicef calculates a quarter of the world’s children are already exposed to frequent heatwaves, and this will rise to almost 100% by mid-century.
While some argue that the world will soon pass the lower Paris agreement guardrail of 1.5C of heating above the preindustrial average, Schmidt says
Unless 2022 - present turn out to be an anomaly, we already have.
It’s okay. Remember the IPCC panel decided in 2018(?) that we’ll just go over the limit a bit and then figure out how to pull back down. With magic or something.
Giant ice cube in the ocean?
There are also some comments about aircon not being a good answer if solely relied on, including:
One of the key effects of heatwaves, which send demand for electricity soaring and cause extreme storms that stress electrical grids, is to cause blackouts. Blackouts mean no more air-con. A recent study suggested a blackout lasting just two days could hospitalise more than half of Phoenix residents and kill 12,000, mostly in their own homes. This is why the author Jeff Goodell warns of a “heat Katrina”: you thought the hurricane in New Orleans was bad?
Further, what happens when everyone knows the power isn’t coming back and instead the roads out of Phoenix all get backed up and instead people die in the heat of their cars trying to escape the heat of Phoenix. Because heat can kill a lot of vehicles, and a lot of people have ill-maintained vehicles, meaning roads being completely blocked from escape can happen fast.
I really think Phoenix will become the first mass casualty event from climate change in the USA.
That’s when it becomes Rita as opposed to “heat Katrina”.
For folks who don’t remember/know about Rita because they didn’t live through it, less than a month after Katrina a record-breaking cat 5 hurricane was heading for Texas. Everyone still had Katrina on their minds and panicked. Millions of people (literally estimated as 2.5–3.7 million) evacuated, or tried.
The highways out of Houston came to a total standstill. About 100 people died before the storm even hit land because of the evacuation. And then the hurricane itself was nbd; the evacuation was literally the worst part.
EDIT: Obligatory Peggy Hill. Peggy gets it.
And considering how rarely she “got” things, that’s saying a lot!
Lots of cars > lots of traffic > stopped cars > radiators don’t cool > cars break down > roads blocked
Car radiators have fans. They can idle indefinitely. You’re more likely to eventually run out of gas.
Edit: oh you mean because of the heat. I don’t think that’s going to be an issue, ambient temp is still going to be far below the roughly 200°F of an engine.
Do you not live in the USA? Do you not realize how many people are driving around old beaters that can absolutely get overheated in such an environment?
In my hometown more than half the driveways are filled with multiple beater-ass cars, most of which don’t work and are just sort of rotting. They just keep adding new ones by buying more shitty vehicles that die quickly and doing the same cycle over again.
I do live in the USA. I’m pretty sure that no parts of the US are predicted to remotely approach 200°F air temperature.
I actually drive a beater myself. But if the coolant pump or radiator fan aren’t working, you’re not going to be driving it very far, regardless of air temperature.
if anyone else was wondering, 200 °F are 93.33333 °C
Most people buy the cheapest car batteries they can get. As a Floridian I can tell you, the heat destroys these things faster than most people realize. Everyone is already strapped for cash so they’re going to be driving around with batteries that barely start their car for months before it finally leaves them stranded.
Realistically it’ll be when people can no longer insure their homes when we see the first mass migrations. Florida is already at the point where only state insurance will cover hurricane prone areas, and it sounds like that currently costs $7k/year. Anyone have any bets for if it’ll be the southwest suffering more frequent more severe fires that gets it first or Florida and neighboring states from more severe hurricanes?
That’s one of those nightmare thoughts - when the power goes out, what do people usually do for a while? Wait for it to come back on. Someone is coming to fix it, right? Much of modern society is built upon such assumptions, and it mostly works. So I think you’re right for some, but many would perish at home, trying to outlast the day (and what if the night doesn’t cool?)
And then their food goes bad. Three days of starvation is all it takes to eat cake.
Water also disappears. At some point water is being pumped by a power source.
Yup absolutely. Hopefully the people can do something about it actually do something. Not you and me, I mean the corporations that got us into this mess in the first place.
I keep an old evaporative unit in the shed just in case. It only needs 70 watts and can thus run for quite a long time off a car battery or similar. Add a basic camping solar panel and you’re more or less set for the day as long as you have water and don’t live in a really high humidity place.
Air conditioners will soon be considered life support. In some places it will be a death sentence to have a power outrage. This isn’t speculation. It’s already happening.
Frankly, I am amazed it has not already happened in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, or Austin. The power grid here in Texas is a disaster and the weather conditions are unforgiving. At least in the desert you can do evaporative cooling. That doesn’t work where its hot and humid.
It has. Some weak ass cat-1 hurricane killed like a dozen people in TX earlier this year. The winds didn’t harm anyone directly but it knocked out power for a few days in places. That’s all it takes when temps are well above 100F.
Yeah, I was in that storm. We were without power for 3 days. Fortunately it was not over 100f that during that stretch but It would have been so much worse if it had been. I personally know people who were without power for almost 2 weeks after it came through. Centerpoint was negligent in maintinging their equipment, right of ways, and getting their crews where they should have been.
A significant amount of greenhouse gasses are emitted because of air conditioning. It’s a feedback loop.
I said that air con made global warming worse on Reddit a few years ago, got massively downvoting.
THE TRUTH HURTS!
I get downvoted for asking for cars with manual roll up windows because spending electricity on rolling up a car window is negligent when its easy as fuck to do by hand.
But if you add up all the electricity used since automatic windows were invented, power used to roll up and down windows, in aggregate its no small amount. It adds up.
But nooooo manual roll up windows is a step too far.
I gues convenience is more important than waste, to most people.
Wait really? Do you mean by the electricity generation or by a refrigerant process?
I know those processes are inefficient and create overall heat in the system as they can’t create cool but only push heat, there should be no green house emission, just heat generation.
Are you saying extra heat will stay in the atmosphere? That’s not good but it’s not the same as carbon which allows heat to build up.
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This’ll happen when the corporations causing this don’t do anything about it.
First you have to stop capitalist government
lol yeah right
But really though humanity is doomed unless we figure out a way to actually reverse it, because we wont do anything to stop it until its too late to stop (decades ago), so then we wont do anything until it begins creating worldwide problems, which is soon, so by then we will have to have a solution to reverse it.
I think it’s capitalist hunting season.
When we let them do it
If the world was warming even faster than scientists thought it would, seemingly jumping years ahead of predictions, would that mean even more crucial decades of action had been lost?
Yes. Yes it would.
Rivers in Alaska have been running bronzish-orange… because the permafrost is melting.
The ‘perma’ frost, is melting.
That has huge amounts of methane locked up in at.
Which is 8 to 80x more effective at being a greenhouse gas than CO2.
And also ancient bacteria that could cause previously unknown kinds of diseases in wildlife and possibly humans, they now may or may not be seeping into the environment.
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We have already had a consecutive 12 months at or above 1.5C global average temps, as of last month.
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Shit’s looking pretty bleak.
I can at least alleviate your worries of ancient bacteria.
Even our weakest antibiotics could wipe them out as they have evolved zero resistance to it. That’s assuming they can even infect humans in the first place.
Have you ever looked up how long it takes for bacteria to evolve resistance after exposure to an antibiotic?
2-3 years… Yeah…
More concerning is a virus in my opinion. Jumping species is common and it’s the novelty to the immune system thats the danger. How much damage would an influenza strain from 3-4000 years combining with modern strains cause?
If that was all there was to it, no bacteria would be affected by antibiotics anymore. And yes, they’re less effective, but it’s far from an obsolete tool. We just have to be smarter about using them.
I’m no microbiologist but couldn’t the ancient bacteria hybridize with modern bacteria to develop antibiotic resistance similar to a wolf and dog hybrid having a tolerance to humans?
Horizontal gene transfer is a thing amongst bacteria, so yeah, possibly (except in no way whatsoever like a wolf dog hybrid, entirely different mechanism).
There’s also ancient viruses, which are much more terrifying and probably have a better chance at having been preserved.
That’s not how bacteria multiply. There is horizontal gene-transfer, but that would be a very slim chance.
No ancient bacteria aren’t the problem, multi-resistant strains that have already evolved and are evolving in our clinics are the real problem, some bacteria that haven’t been an issue for quite some time, because our antibiotics simply killed them, have now developed resistances and are suddenly becoming deadly again.
E. Coli, Staphylococcus aureus and Salmonella, some of the most prevalent bacteria in humans are rapidly becoming multi-drug-resistant and resistant to desinfectants like chlorine. These superbugs already account for a shockingly high number of deaths in healthcare facilities and the situation is only getting worse as more and more countries use increasing amounts of antimicrobials, kickstarting microbial evolution into overdrive.
Definitely don’t watch the Arctic Sinkhole documentary from PBS Nova if you like sleeping at night. It’s all about the trapped methane in the permafrost and the trapped gasses under the permafrost. Shit is getting real scary. It wasn’t even sensationalist.
Glaciers are reaching tipping points as well. Insane heat waves at both poles. It’s over guys. Most poeple don’t realize it yet but it’s over. Those glaciers and poles took an entire iceage to form, and they are not going to come back.
I haven’t seen anything from climate scientists that agrees with that level of doomerisim. They want to keep fighting against every 0.1C of warming we can, because that’s a worthwhile fight. Succumbing to climate nihilism is unhelpful, unscientific, and a self-fulfilling prophecy.
With the release of this much methane this fast, we might as well be out of equation at this piont. And by this fast, I mean on a earth’s climate timescale, not a human one. How could we possibly stop what is already snowballing? We HAD our chance to stop this and we did nothing. It is too late now to do anything but survive the new world we have made.
What climate scientist agrees that we should give up because of unleashing permafrost methane?
No way man I only use paper straws
I hated that goddamn news cycle. Conservatives poisoned the well so much that you couldn’t argue against that dumb, pointless policy without being labeled a Heritage Foundation shill.
And yet people are having kids…
The entire point of trying to save the climate and environment is to keep the world a nice place for our kids.
In that case, that ship has long sailed.
It can always get worse. There is no rock bottom.
Eh I’d say the last human going in the dirt is probably rock bottom.
Fucking baffles me.
Fucking baffles me.
Nothing baffling about it. It’s just two (or more) people having consensual fun.
Or so I’ve been told…
Contraceptives exist, as do abortives in case the first ones fail.
The only two reasons anyone would have kids as the world is going are ignorance, or a sadistic desire to watch said kids suffer. In which case the fun is certainly not consensual (or shared) on the victim’s part.
Let me tell you, most people don’t doomscroll 24/7. People have kids because that’s what chemistry in their bodies makes them want, that’s what drives us and other species to procreate. Things are bad, but these arrogant and condescending comments are extremely stupid. You aren’t better or smarter than people who have kids.
Third option, they just disagree with you entirely.
“Action”? I think they mean “dithering and superficial half measures”.
Just five more COPE conferences and then we can finally start!
Time to start having ROPE conferences tbh
climate scientists baffled by unexpected pace of heating
Could it be … fossil fuel producers lying about their output of greenhouse gases? Nah.
“Are you telling me that our valued wealth creators are capable of… lying???”
Aren’t climate scientists also measuring atmospheric composition levels around the world to track this, usivg satellites and whatnot? I.e., do they really rely that much on self reported data?
The fossil fuel companies would fund like 9 studies for every independant one.
You don’t have to lie if you don’t measure …… for example, methane leaks from natural gas drilling, refining and distribution
oh it’s much worse than that. not that it isn’t also that and them doing that isn’t the reason we didn’t get started mitigating this shit seventy years ago when we wouldn’t have needed substantial sacrifices.
see, climate scientists are scientists. that means they can only announce what they KNOW, what they can be very confident in, what IS in the data.
the thing about climate change is; it’s full of unknowns, most of them bad. so they can’t say “we have had this many unknown unknowns pop up and fuck our shit up, and expect (range of numbers) more”, because that’s predictive, and it’s useful, but its not SCIENCE, because science is inherently a very conservative bedrock-of-knowledge try-not-to-give-permission-to-fuck-up paradigm of knowledge. that’s not a flaw generally, it’s why we can trust it and why it’s hard to compromise, but generals and combat sports athletes do not choose their actions scientifically-it’s too fucking slow, and they would all fucking die/get punched in the face and lose literally every single time.
so while they have calculated the known dangers of the path we’re tumbling down, they can’t really include the assumption that there was a military base here during a civil war 20 years ago, and both sides in that conflict really liked land mines. they can only point to specific mine fields they know about, even if that’s way less than any other site that was involved in that conflict.
so however bad a climate scientist says it’s going to be, dude, holy shit, it’s going to be so much fucking worse. however much time they say we have, we have less than that. how much worse? how much less? no fucking clue.
no way to know unless we sit on our asses and let it happen, at which point everyone dies.
Yes, can’t emphasize this enough. It worse than predicted. And it’s all exponentially getting worse.
its fine though. our masters are aware of it now, so we don’t need to do anything about it. everything fine.
Don’t forget countries, especially China.
If these companies and countries could just show their real numbers, we could be at least be helping each other better.
times like these, I feel pretty shitty about how the world and I have condemned my kids to suffer the water wars in a handful of years
Yeah, I feel the same. I was having a tough day already but reading this has made me particularly gloomy.
I feel as though we will look back at these days wistfully.
Here are some sites to remind you that not everything in the world is bad, friend:
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wow have we procrastinated real climate action long enough yet?
Nope
Doubt procrastination will stop even after 60-70 becomes a new high in those countries and people start dying en masse
“But mah profits!!!”
Global warming is a test. We’re failing the test, so the warming is going to start accelerating until we learn our lesson
Mother Nature, Earth, or Gaia, is an organism. In my loose perspective, I like to think that this is it’s “fever” attempt at eliminating the virus.
The earth, by any definition, is not alive. Sure there are ecological systems that interact with each other, but there’s absolutely no guarantee they are able.to address issues together in an environment. I highly recommend Half Earth by EO Wilson explaining about species diversity loss and ecology.
It’s important that we realize that life is the exception. None of the other planets have conditions needed to support life. Our planet would be fine to join them. It doesn’t care about fevers or anything. It isn’t alive.
i feel like you could describe a human body that way also :)
And thereby eliminating a whole bunch of other species than just humans as well.
Although I’m totally in for the occasional misanthropy, I don’t like seeing it as “just a fever” anymore as too many species will go down. Life will probably persevere in the end, but so will probably a bunch of rich shitpieces, who are significantly responsible for this fever in the first place.
Our world has gone through many life cycles in the past. At the beginning, was darkness, at the end, probably the same (unless it’s a Futurama time cycle).
The earth will continue on and life will find a way. At this time, we, as humans, have screwed the pooch and now the pooch will screw us. We used the earth and culled it’s resources. We are taking no consideration to the world around us, and instead focus on ourselves alone.
All of the movies about aliens are true. Humans are selfish, greedy, parasites.
Humans aren’t selfish, greedy, parasites. We just get brainwashed into being that way by our culture
Hard to disagree with a famous lemur.
Our carcasses could end up being petrochemicals of the emerging life forms.
What are you basing this on? Like what scientific knowledge exactly? That life will find a way? You realize the “scientist” in Jurassic Park who said that wasn’t a real scientist???
Look at every other planet. Do any of them have life? What makes you so blindingly confident this planet won’t join them? We are in a mass extinction right now due to unprecedented rapid climate change. The only life left might just be extremophiles and they may never be able to evolve to be multicellular. And not even extremopjiles can survive everything.
That people are so casual about this shows a profound lack of scientific knowledge.
And we have evidence for at least 6 other major mass extinction events. Yet life on this planet found a way to survive and re-evolve. Quit being so fucking pedantic about something so silly.
I’m not being pedantic, I’m openly disagreeing with the idea that life “must” or absolutely will carry on. There’s no such guarantee. That you hold onto that is a cope but not reality. That’s fine if you need to do that ig but I disagree.
Calm down there, sport. I don’t have to cite sources or be factually correct to have a conversation about my perspective and pop culture references.
Um but you’re talking about a scientific phenomenon so if you want people to value your thoughts, it’s good to support them with evidence
You don’t have to do anything ofc. It just bothers me to see people say that George Carlin quote “the planet will be fine,” the Jurassic Park quote “life will find a aay,” or the idea that the planet is alive and will kill us off like a fever. Because all of those things are downplaying the seriousness of what’s actually happening. From my PoV, what you’re doing is very close to climate change denialism and it stops people from realizing how serious things are right now. Literally right now.
I’m posting on the internet on a place that is not super populated. I have no followers and want to gain nothing from these aside from conversation, learning, and my version of social interaction. Climate change is real. It’s a very real threat to all life. I do what I can, donate to places I agree with, and advocate for groups that need to be heard. I do believe that life will find a way, because we came from nothing to begin with. Species have been destroyed, life was reborn. Civilization have been destroyed and rebuilt.
If life does not find a way, then it’s the end of the road for our relative area. We succumb to silence like the rest.
And I’d be ok with this. I see that humans are failing the test. I think it would be totally fair for us to take some really huge losses as a consequence of our collective hubris. But the thing that makes me sad and angry is that we’re taking down everything else with us.
There’s such a huge diversity of life, basically just minding its own business in a totally sustainable way. It’s been like that for billions of years. More than 1,000,000,000 years. But then humans work out that burning stuff is an easy way to do mass-production, and in less then 1000 years things start turning to shit - for everyone. That’s so unfair. If it was just our own house we were burning down, I’d say its fair. But we’re burning down the whole world. We’re already causing mass extinction, and by all predictions it is going to get much much worse.
Other organisms and natural disasters do that, too. Ice ages, meteors, waves of diseases. The difference seems to be we have the consciousness to predict consequences, then decide whether to embark upon a path of behavior, or continue it when latent consequences emerge. I guess the question ends up being whether the course chosen is “natural,” and how can we know, since plenty of organisms kill the host, while also surviving and even propagating? Then observation also changes the behavior of things. And we don’t kill everything. Just whatever life is left continues to evolve in expected and unexpected ways.
it’ll all return in due time, the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs was a major extinction event in the same caliber as global warming is likely to be.
If we continue on like this, it’ll be more like the Permian-Triassic Extinction 250 million years ago, which was also due to increased CO2 in the atmosphere and which killed 90 percent of all life.
Oh ffs We are literally the most likely species to survive any of that.
No, we aren’t
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adh2458
This planetary boundaries framework update finds that six of the nine boundaries are transgressed, suggesting that Earth is now well outside of the safe operating space for humanity.
The planetary boundaries framework (1, 2) draws upon Earth system science (3). It identifies nine processes that are critical for maintaining the stability and resilience of Earth system as a whole. All are presently heavily perturbed by human activities. The framework aims to delineate and quantify levels of anthropogenic perturbation that, if respected, would allow Earth to remain in a “Holocene-like” interglacial state. In such a state, global environmental functions and life-support systems remain similar to those experienced over the past ~10,000 years rather than changing into a state without analog in human history. This Holocene period, which began with the end of the last ice age and during which agriculture and modern civilizations evolved, was characterized by relatively stable and warm planetary conditions. Human activities have now brought Earth outside of the Holocene’s window of environmental variability, giving rise to the proposed Anthropocene epoch.
Check the post history of the person you’re replying to, they’re pretty blatantly ridiculous.
My general operating principle is that even if this person is engaging in bad faith, there may be other people lurking who want this info or who have similar questions who would be too nervous to comment or ask. So I give info anyway for others.
That’s a very good point! I found your post interesting, myself, so thank you.
I hope humans are not very survivable, because then we wouldn’t have humans like you around.
Bacteria, viruses, insects all way more likely to survive.
The bigger and more complex generally means more likely to run out of something.
Patience, mostly.
“Ignorance” is not “patience”, you have the former, not the latter.
Humans are famously good at surviving in the desert. That’s why so much of human civilization exists at the center of large land masses in arid climates.
Maybe ten thousand years. That last ice age ending literally changed everything but yeah, ok, let’s pretend its hundreds of millions of years the same.
Or until the test is complete and humanity has failed.
Like will the bacteria survive the self cleaning cycle?
Like on earth has survived more extreme environments before. Not only microbes but multicellular life should be fine.
Source for this prediction? What are you basing this on?
Great question, I glad you asked. When I said both multicellular and microbial life would be fine, what I meant is it’s unlikely either would be wiped totally out.
As highlighted in the article you linked, only about 90% of [multicellular] species died out during the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event, specifically the “things have been worse before” situation I was thinking about. Also noted in the article is that the conditions we’re experiencing now are not to the same degree although we’re observing events similar to what we understand may have happened during the Permian-Triassic Extinction, again to a much lesser degree.
Keep in mind atmospheric CO2 levels were estimated to be around 2500 ppm, about 6 times greater than our current levels of around 420 ppm. Preindustrial CO2 levels were 270 ppm, so we’ve added about 150 ppm. It’s not all that much but it’s enough to start changing things for the worse for many of the planet’s current inhabitants.
As to microbial life, I’m a microbiologist so I know my microbes. They as a whole are far more resilient and will outlast all multicellular life. Some thrive in conditions where no multicellular life on Earth could survive. Even if conditions were so hostile than no microbes could survive, some form endospores. These are incredibly resilient little escape pods that can remain viable for millions of years, then reactivate when conditions are better, reconstituting back to bacteria.
While extinctions are frankly depressing, they do open ecological niches into which other species with suitable traits can expand and, given time and selective pressure, differentiate. For example, all we’d need is mice and a suitable food source to survive and, a few million years later, the earth will be covered with various species decended from both of them.
When you said life would be fine, what you meant was it may MOSTLY all die and may take millions of years to evolve again. That’s not “fine.”
Second, we really don’t know that it will ever evolve again or that other conditions won’t deteriorate. Bacteria can’t live in molten lava. Biology has a general upper and lower limit before things start denaturizing. Our moon is further away and the earth isn’t as young as it once was. The conditions that gave rise to life so long ago might not be replicable enough in the future.
I agree that it’s likely extremophiles at least will survive. I don’t take for granted that it definitely will happen and I don’t call it “fine.”
I pretty distinctly defined when I meant by saying “fine” in my follow-up comment. If you want to pretend I meant something different so you can “prove me wrong”, that’s “fine” (define that however suits you.).
That, along with the rest of your comment, suggests you’re just more interested in feeling you’re right at all costs instead of actually discussing the topic, so I’m out.
Edit: I had to look - of course you downvoted me. Some people have such fragile egos.
Yes, you moved the goalposts to have “fine” include what I do not consider “fine.” This is part ofntthe disagreement we have here. Agree to disagree ig.
I mean go ahead, be out. Have a good day. You don’t have to believe as I do, and your last comment also made it seem you were “happy I asked.”
Probably some extremophiles, tardigrades at least. Depends on how the planetary boundaries get crossed. Hope horseshoe crabs and lichens and some birds make it through. Those guys have been around so long for us to mess it up for them.
Algae are having an amazing time right now.
It’s one of their biggest moments since multicellular life evolved
I believe a mix of runaway elitism + ecological devastation is the Great Filter. We’re at our great filter and definitely will not overcome considering the galactic evidence.
This is certainly a credible assertion, but it’s very broad.
As in, runaway elitism is probably relevant to almost all civilisation-ending catastrophes.
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What if humanity was created to cause climate change for the next phase of Earth’s biological evolution? Is no-one considering a grander plan than what happens to humans?
A test for what? From where? I don’t get it
A test of long-term sustainable viability, conducted by the limitations within the forces of nature that we audaciously call our home.
Capitalism is a death cult.
Living and dying are the same process. You can’t be born without dying. You could say biology condemns us all - very loosely - to a cult of death, as we must all participate.
Capitalism is worse than that. Capitalism is an ideology of exploitation. I’m fine with dying, it’s my fault for being born. I don’t see why I must submit to exploitation while I do, temporarily, exist.
That’s because you’re a sinner and exploiting sinners isn’t to be punished, but praised. Exploit your fellow sinners, make them toil in suffering and you too shall redeem salvation in the form of stock options and tax evasion.
That’s the spirit! We must sacrifice the newborns to harvest better stock options.
it’s my fault for being born.
is it? I don’t recall ever asking to be born, i’m pretty sure that just kind of happened.
I’m a Buddhist.
i’m not familiar with Buddhism so if there is something i’m missing here, that would be why lol.
I don’t recall ever asking to be born
Who would do the asking and what would be providing the answer?
this is a good question, amusingly enough there is no answer, philosophy sucks.
Just because you can’t recall it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. As a spermatozoon, you eagerly swam towards that egg, then that egg could have chosen to abort at any time. Yet here you are alive. You chose to be here. Deal with it, accept it and move on with your life.
Just because you can’t recall it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. As a spermatozoon, you eagerly swam towards that egg, then that egg could have chosen to abort at any time. Yet here you are alive. You chose to be here. Deal with it, accept it and move on with your life.
does a delusional person choose to have delusions?
Things that are outside of our psychological realm, and physical control are quite literally something we have no control over.
Yeah, there are plenty of things we have little to no control over.
Having delusions is one of them for sure, but can we say for certain we don’t at least influence what those delusions are or which direction they take?
i mean you probably influence them, but much like dreams, are they really representative of anything other than your mind left to its own devices?
Human conception may start at the sperm race, but human consciousness doesn’t begin until a few years into childhood, so at the end of the day, who knows.
Can thought be considered a process that begins after being affected by an external stimulus? And without prior experience on which to base our response, we can only react according to the conditions set by that stimulus?
So is it truly we who control our thoughts or are we just acting in a predetermined set of reactionary impulses based on the accumulation of our personal experiences and gained knowledge over our lifetime so far?
We who are so easily influenced into outrage by trigger phrases specific to our fears or spurred into action by resonating soundbites promising our desires, are those our thoughts or are they just the mind left to its own devices?
I really don’t know. But it’s probably some food for thought in a way.
And yet its the least worst functional economic system we currently have…
“it’s the least worst way to spiral into definite hell on earth” doesn’t really sound that positive.
It doesn’t matter how “safe” capitalism is, it’s not solving our problems and we need something different.
“Wow this cancer sure is good at growing and staying alive!”
Can’t believe people are saying this meme.
Capitalism has a historical tendency of imperializing all over the place and sabotaging other systems. It did not earn its spot as “best”, despite what capitalistic propaganda would have you believe.
Maybe, just maybe, if things are not behaving as expected, then maybe the cause isn’t what theory says. Look at that list of countries. All contain deserts. All of whom I was taught experience these temperatures when I was in school in the eighties. I’m fucking old with a long memory.
LOL, what now? Are you claiming countries are experiencing significantly higher temperatures than forecasted due to having or being in deserts?
Look at the list and fucking think.
All I’m thinking is that we recorded the highest temperatures in a desert in all human history. Almost whopping 10 degrees celsius above the previously recorded record. Sweet Jesus that’s a lot… That’s not fucking natural. What will it take for you to admit that a place known for being hot might be a bit too hot? Maybe once all creatures and plants in deserts cease to exist? Or does it all need to turn to glass before maybe, just maybe it’s a bit hotter then it should?
Look at that list of countries. All contain deserts.
Think about what, the fact you might have early dementia?
Dude, he remembers things being hot in hot places. I don’t know why we even measure things and keep records. This bloke just remembers!
Yeah it’s currently like 77 degrees in Florida right now at 8 am. pretty comfortable, so much for all the global warming talk!
All of whom I was taught experience these temperatures when I was in school in the eighties.
If they only experienced those temperatures in the 80s, when you were at school, it wouldn’t be hot now. QED.
Maybe, just maybe, if things are not behaving as expected, then maybe the cause isn’t what theory says.
Yes. Maybe the cause is that you went to school in the 80s.
That is not sound logic whatsoever, it’s just mindless snark.
No, I was making fun of you, because I found your statement to be so poorly expressed, bizarre, and - where readable - so highly ridiculous to potentially indicate the possibility that your thinking (such as it is) on this issue is beneath contempt. Goodbye now.
Late or not, we have to do all we can to stop runaway warming and ecological collapse. We know corporations and populations won’t do anything voluntarily. That is why legislation is the only way. EU is taking the lead on this. I’m hoping world countries will follow.
A lot of companies won’t even allow remote work which would put a huge dent in commuter related pollution. Will that fix everything by itself? Nope, but it’d be a step in the right direction.
But they won’t even do THAT. This one little thing that’d be better for a lot of people and reduce car dependence related pollution for people in areas with little to no public transit access.
I have a hard time believing the US will ever catch up to green initiatives since corporate lobbying pays corrupt assholes more…
This one little thing that’d be better for a lot of people and reduce car dependence related pollution for people in areas with little to no public transit access.
It’s better for everything, cheaper, and notably has exactly zero impact on productivity, but God damnit Johnson, how can I force the interns to get me my coffee without everyone being back in the office?!
“faster than expected” lol
I see a lot of doom and gloom in the comments here. Correct me if I’m wrong, but is not the main concern being that sea levels will rise and flood costal cities? Plus some parts of the world will be too hot to comfortably live? Human beings are remarkably creative when they need to be. Right now most are overweight watching TV and worried about stupid unimportant things. But if the need arose to build new towns/cities in higher and cooler locations, we have the man power. Literally BILLIONS of humans, some smart ones to plan it all, and the rest to build it. I don’t see an “end of humanity” or “don’t have kids” as being reasonable. Humanity will adapt. Please correct me if I’m missing something here.
I agree that humans are remarkably creative, and I agree “don’t have kids” is reasonable. But the “end of humanity” might come through this. However, I agree that we might be able to survive this. But please take it seriously. The whole climate crisis is a complex challenge by itself, and the politicization of it, along with the capitalistic interests, are complicating it further. We need urgent global action if we want humanity to survive.
Consider: Not all those billions of people will survive the sudden shift in climate. The breaking points in climate make everything super difficult to plan for. It is not just about finding higher ground that is climatic for humans, the whole agriculture will be a big problem. The climate will be so different from what we have right now, we are not perfectly sure how which crops would work where. We need globally aligned tests, knowledge sharing at the very best, along with all the action we need to take along with carbon emissions.
This challenge, is our biggest yet. We need a global, aligned, focused effort. But, we are far from it. The stress is causing conflict everywhere. Our international order is not up to coordinate this global effort, unfortunately. And if COVID-19 showed us what we can have on a global scale as a response, it means every nation state will turn inwards, try to fight against it by themselves while also fighting against everyone else. This problem is the crux. Our systems, our worldviews, our doctrine are not up for this fight ahead.
There is hope. But there is also a lot to despair about.
And if COVID-19 showed us what we can have on a global scale as a response, it means every nation state will turn inwards, try to fight against it by themselves while also fighting against everyone else.
My money is on hot, stressed, scared people tending to vote for politicians who blame immigrants / feminists / queer people. Maybe there will even be sacrifices.
Human beings are remarkably creative when they need to be.
Yes! Humans say they think children are important, then create situations where children are hungry, abused, or killed in war. Then they create rationalisations for that being inevitable, or acceptable, or even deserved.
Humans also create technology to ‘make the world better’, then use it to convince people as a group to do things which make the world worse.
Aren’t humans creative? They’re going to create a lack of humans eventually - isn’t that imaginative?
Please correct me if I’m missing something here.
Those in power often use crises to invent reasons to take more power, and to direct it against scapegoats. The point is not often to make the world better for everyone, the point is very often to make the world better for those who already have the most.
Sea levels rising is only one of the concerns. I think the biggest concern is the reduction of ariable land due to climate change. I.e. the carrying capacity of the Earth will decrease (and I’m of the opinion that the human species has already greatly overshot Earth’s carrying capacity; hence the current degradation of our environment).
I think the species will survive, but may experience a population crash (i.e. mass death), and severly reduced quality of life. I think having 1 or 2 kids is fine for now, and hope I’m wrong in my Malthusian-like thinking.
I thought the consensus was that it was El Nino exacerbating things, but I guess that’s not the only factor.
