So it didn’t quite work out how the fascist sharia rape gang of Hamas wanted, who would have thought?! Now let’s hope for a quick end to all violence in the entire region and that the fuckhead Netanyahu gets what he deserves as well.
Whatever side you’re on, it cannot be denied that this invasion was triggered by Hamas on Oct 7. The same person you are accusing as being “gleeful” is calling for an end to all violence in the exact same post. It’s ok to criticize Hamas.
This is something I don’t understand on this community: Any time the slightest criticism is leveraged towards Hamas it is given the least charitable interpretation or reading. There is no counter to the claim, just tone policing of some sort.
On the other hand, we can say whatever the f**k we want about the great oppressor, Israel. Which by the way, don’t get me wrong: the IDF are horrible blood thirsty opportunists milking the Oct 7 attack in order to inflict maximum damage in Gaza. But if we continue to be charitable towards Hamas in perpetuity we are throwing the Palestinian people under. They cannot rely on Hamas to get them out of this. The violence has to end and we need to stop Israel at all costs from continuing this occupation.
Hi, I had a quick look on your other posts and got some insight.
You seem to believe that both sides are equally right and wrong, and want to draw conclusions based on that.
This remembers me of myself some years ago: if I read Palestinian stories, I’d get pro Palestine. If I get the same story from Israeli side, they just changed some propositions and I’d think Israel was actually right.
That’s very confusing.
Everything changed when I read this now updated article and saw this video:
Ps 2: on this topic, some people take sides because, based on what they read, they see one side is suffering injustice or not. Some people on this topic act like soccer team fans and will defend their team even when they are totally wrong. Some people are just parroting Russia/China positions for being communists, or parroting USA/Israel for being anti communists. Know who you are talking to before wasting time with the last 2 types
The only side I’m on is that of the Palestinian people right now. My goal is to stop all suffering. So my main contention is with the undue support that many individuals – @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world for example – give out to Hamas because they don’t understand reality and they think it’s virtuous.
Hamas does not recognize Israel as a state. At least Fatah was willing to come to negotiations.
Hamas has in its charter the liberation of Palestine from “the river to the sea”. They will not stop until this objective is achieved while their leaders sit in lavish palaces in Qatar and other places. If you were to ask me, TheFonz, I’m personally ok going back to the 68 partition. But reality is it’s not happening. That ship has sailed over fifty years ago. We are 100 years past the Peele commission. What are Israeli kids born today going to do about the 68 partition? Absolutely nothing.
So while Hamas keeps throwing rockets into the lion’s den thinking they will liberate Palestine while their people get crushed by bombs is incredibly sad. And people here keep cheering them on. I want a complete ceasefire and removal of all Israeli settlements.
Hamas does not recognize Israel as a state. At least Fatah was willing to come to negotiations.
Does israel recognize Palestine now? Oh wait they don’t. They openly state they will do everything to prevent a Palestinian state being established. But now that Hamas has retaliated suddenly Palestine is on the fast track to get recognized.
What a weird pivot. That’s what you took from my comment? Do you think I’m here to defend Israel? At least Israel acceded authority to the PLO during the Oslo accords. Progress is made incrementally not overnight.
Israeli settlements need to stop. I don’t disagree. What’s your plan to bring Israel to negotiations? Should Hamas keep doing what it’s doing? Is that…working in your opinion? Give me a concrete path @linkerbaan@lemmy.world. Walk us through a process that gets this resolved. Or do you not care about Palestinians? It’s more exciting to root for Hamas on Lemmy, right?
So it didn’t quite work out how the fascist sharia rape gang of Hamas wanted, who would have thought?! Now let’s hope for a quick end to all violence in the entire region and that the fuckhead Netanyahu gets what he deserves as well.
You seem quite gleeful for a war that has already murdered well over 10,000 children in the past six months.
Whatever side you’re on, it cannot be denied that this invasion was triggered by Hamas on Oct 7. The same person you are accusing as being “gleeful” is calling for an end to all violence in the exact same post. It’s ok to criticize Hamas.
This is something I don’t understand on this community: Any time the slightest criticism is leveraged towards Hamas it is given the least charitable interpretation or reading. There is no counter to the claim, just tone policing of some sort.
On the other hand, we can say whatever the f**k we want about the great oppressor, Israel. Which by the way, don’t get me wrong: the IDF are horrible blood thirsty opportunists milking the Oct 7 attack in order to inflict maximum damage in Gaza. But if we continue to be charitable towards Hamas in perpetuity we are throwing the Palestinian people under. They cannot rely on Hamas to get them out of this. The violence has to end and we need to stop Israel at all costs from continuing this occupation.
Hi, I had a quick look on your other posts and got some insight.
You seem to believe that both sides are equally right and wrong, and want to draw conclusions based on that.
This remembers me of myself some years ago: if I read Palestinian stories, I’d get pro Palestine. If I get the same story from Israeli side, they just changed some propositions and I’d think Israel was actually right.
That’s very confusing.
Everything changed when I read this now updated article and saw this video:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/9/whats-the-israel-palestine-conflict-about-a-simple-guide
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoFjbnvkmQ0
Since seeing that I became much more on the Palestinian side.
After having seen both of the material above, how does this change your point of view?
Ps 1: there’s a 3rd documentary which impacted me a lot, but it was after I had already made my mind. Maybe you will find it relevant or not:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwy-Rf15UIs
Ps 2: on this topic, some people take sides because, based on what they read, they see one side is suffering injustice or not. Some people on this topic act like soccer team fans and will defend their team even when they are totally wrong. Some people are just parroting Russia/China positions for being communists, or parroting USA/Israel for being anti communists. Know who you are talking to before wasting time with the last 2 types
Thanks for your perspective.
The only side I’m on is that of the Palestinian people right now. My goal is to stop all suffering. So my main contention is with the undue support that many individuals – @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world for example – give out to Hamas because they don’t understand reality and they think it’s virtuous.
So while Hamas keeps throwing rockets into the lion’s den thinking they will liberate Palestine while their people get crushed by bombs is incredibly sad. And people here keep cheering them on. I want a complete ceasefire and removal of all Israeli settlements.
Does israel recognize Palestine now? Oh wait they don’t. They openly state they will do everything to prevent a Palestinian state being established. But now that Hamas has retaliated suddenly Palestine is on the fast track to get recognized.
What a weird pivot. That’s what you took from my comment? Do you think I’m here to defend Israel? At least Israel acceded authority to the PLO during the Oslo accords. Progress is made incrementally not overnight.
Conveniently ignore the part where israel openly states they will not recognize Palestine and are very actively colonizing and annexing the west bank.
Israeli settlements need to stop. I don’t disagree. What’s your plan to bring Israel to negotiations? Should Hamas keep doing what it’s doing? Is that…working in your opinion? Give me a concrete path @linkerbaan@lemmy.world. Walk us through a process that gets this resolved. Or do you not care about Palestinians? It’s more exciting to root for Hamas on Lemmy, right?
“Do you condemn Hamas?” is a question designed to evade and defend Israel’s genocide.
https://medium.com/@melaniesusans/the-laziness-of-asking-do-you-condemn-hamas-3b31ac9c4768
https://globalvoices.org/2023/12/27/do-you-condemn/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrGlRax9AiY
Fonz is well fond of consistently trying to ad-hominem and slander users while he goes around defending Genocide and spreading Zionist propaganda.
I am afraid you are currently talking to a bunch of Hasbara alt accounts.