• jet@hackertalks.com
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    If you want an area of land with a single ethnicity, to clean the area so it is pure for that ethnicity, that is a form of ethnic cleansing.

    If you take a city and say all people who are not genetically x, or believe in religion y, must leave. That is a form of ethnic cleansing, you are cleaning the area for a specific ethnicity.

    The cleansing doesn’t have to involve death, could just involve displacement, or even The ability to have children.

    Ethnic cleansing wikipedia

    Ethnic cleansing is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous.

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      8 months ago

      eh… using a definition that broad would mean that most asian countries are guilty of ethnic cleansing. a lot of african countries would qualify too, as would many european nations (other than, you know, germany).

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        most asian countries are guilty of ethnic cleansing

        Yes, they are/have been. Almost all countries have committed horrible atrocities in the past or present. That doesn’t make this not ethnic cleansing or not atrocious.

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        https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ethnic_cleansing

        The word has a very clear meaning. I’m sorry you don’t like that definition, but the reason we have dictionaries is so that we can agree on definitions.

        How would you describe ethnically purifying an area?

        Yes, ethnic cleansing is very common in human history… You’re right. Lots of countries are guilty of it. Doesn’t make it any less bad just common

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          if it’s so common that literally every country in recorded history is guilty of it (and they are if the accepted definition is so broad) then it’s just another part of governance - unworthy of discussion even.

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            Ethnic cleansing is unworthy of discussion, because every country has participated in it in some point in their history?

            So from that standpoint, you’re happy to get ethnically cleansed, right? It shouldn’t be worth discussion, if a government agent wants to hand over your area to a different ethnicity. You wouldn’t have anything to say about that right? Your family would be cool with it too right?

            And if the people who have been ethnically cleansed, try to ethnically cleanse their oppressors, that’s not newsworthy either right? So there shouldn’t have been any news reporting of hamas’s ethnic cleansing attempts? Right? It’s not newsworthy, why are we even talking about it…

            Countries also execute people, we still talk about murder.

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              i love getting cleansed - so much so that I do it every morning (irish spring is the best soap ever). seriously though - no one here participating in this discussion/argument/whatever has ever been in even the remotest danger of being ethnically cleansed. what we say doesnt matter. you and I, any anyone who views these comments now or in years to come, we dont make policy. our opinion is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

              you say “oh no, it’s bad!”. ok, great. it’s good to have a position. my position is that our positions dont matter. the news doesnt matter. you think policy makers actually care what nonsense the journalists say? queue my endlessly contagious derisive laughter.

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                8 months ago

                Holy hypocrisy, Batman! You can’t just say that none of our opinions matter after spending several paragraphs over several comments sharing your own objectively wrong take. Not without showing everyone what a condescending idiot you are, at least 🤷