The Democratic Socialists of America pulled its endorsement of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York this week, accusing the progressive congresswoman of being insufficiently supportive of the Palestinian cause and efforts to end the war in Gaza…
Her approach has increasingly strained her relationship with some of the left’s most strident critics of Israel. When she rallied last month in the Bronx with Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Jamaal Bowman, dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators angry over her endorsement of Mr. Biden chanted “You’re a fraud, A.O.C.”
Good. No compromise on genocide. Never again means never again.
This gives me some hope for the DSA.
And don’t come at me with “pragmatism”. The pragmatists supported the Nazis.
That’s a good way to describe how the DSA views political power.
Apparently, to purists like you, “Never again” means “If it happens anywhere, we should help it happen everywhere we can.” But hey, who cares about minorities in the US, and Ukrainians in Ukraine? Fuck 'em, right?
“Ugh, genocide is bad, but we have other things to worry about right now.”
— You, and most Germans during World War II.
“Genocide is bad, but we have other things to worry about.” - Me, and the US offering vast amounts of Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union despite their vast campaigns of ethnic cleansing.
Apparently, by contrast, your position is “Genocide is bad, so we should do everything we can to lose to the Nazis, who will genocide far more people than the Soviet Union. That will really show the fascists! They’ll be SO mad when they herd us into the gas chambers lol!”
genuine question, what alternative is there to voting for whatever candidate the democrats run with?
Green party and Cornel West.
Serious replies:
Developing alternate forms of power to ‘vote once every four years’. Now, I realize it’s probably not the answer you’re looking for as obviously that won’t just happen in time for this election, but it’s necessary to understand the material power we hold as workers in society, unless you’re actually happy with whatever candidates the Democrats run with. There have been times where worker action hindered genocidal regimes and wars by cutting off supply and pressuring our governments into pulling support.
Pressuring the Democrats away from running certain candidates
Somehow making a third-party popular enough to threaten your local seat [probably not feasible for most seats?]
Somehow abolishing the broken FPTP voting system [probably not feasible?]
right but couldn’t you vote for the democrats and also do those things? it’s not really a one or the other kind of situation
Definitely, and for most people (there are rare exceptions, like seats which aren’t just Dem vs. Rep as the only viable candidates) I’d assume it’s the pragmatic choice for now given the broken system.
Not feasible? Then why do Alaska and Maine use something other then First Past The Post voting?
How we vote is controlled at the state level, we can push through reform one state at a time!
Join the DSA?
Ranked. Choice. Voting.
The DSA literally supports Putin’s narratives when it comes to the invasion of Ukraine. They already support genocide. They’re just picking and supporting which genocides to endorse and condemn. All they’re doing is sowing division amongst the left because they’re foreign assets who love to see fascists get into power.
Removed for misinformation and temp banned.
https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
Source that they’re foreign assets?
You could say the same exact thing about AIPAC. It’s also a membership-led and membership-funded organization where the vast majority of it’s funding coming from private donations… yet somehow I don’t think you’ll have the same reaction to them being foreign assets. The reality is that both of these organizations advance the interests of foreign governments over America’s, only difference is that Israel is a US ally and the countries that the DSA chooses to align itself with are American adversaries.
AIPAC lobby’s for Israel. What foreign government does the DSA lobby for?
The Ukraine war is a big source of actual leftie infighting. But DSA did not withdraw their endorsement on that. This is a strawman.
Deme wanted lefties to compromise and they did. Then Dems want lefties to compromise some more.
The Genocide in Gaza is not up to debate for any leftie. And Bernie and AOC have even promoted the Genocide at the start of it by refusing to call it a Genocide, and refusing to call for a ceasefire.
No, no it is not. The following is copied from another comment that applies directly to what you’re saying:
This is taken directly from their official statement letter:
DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict.
https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
This is from official “condemnation” on Feb 26, 2022. Their condemnation just comes off as tone deaf when they say shit like this, especially right after the invasion. How tone deaf, but they double down on the Russian propaganda fueled stance:
The war in Ukraine is a disaster for working class people in Ukraine, the region, and a terrible threat to us all, including increasing the danger of nuclear war and exacerbating global economic crises. We oppose the Russian invasion and call for the withdrawal of Russian troops through a settled ceasefire agreement. We recognize that the expansion of NATO and the aggressive approach of Western nations have helped cause the crisis and we demand an end to NATO expansion. We also oppose US and NATO military interventionism and the tens of billions in military aid and weapons shipments which only further exacerbates the war and undermine a negotiated settlement, as well as sanctions that will harm ordinary Russians. We call on the US and other countries to welcome refugees fleeing the war and provide needed humanitarian aid.
https://international.dsausa.org/ukraine/
And again:
https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/dsa-and-the-war-in-ukraine-toward-a-mass-socialist-anti-war-movement/
There seems to be a common theme going on. They “condemn” the invasion, but blame the US and NATO for it, push for negotiations that Putin wants, and try to justify Russia’s reasons for invading. Now, when Ukraine itself is against these narratives… who exactly is pushing them? Who is benefiting from this propaganda and misinformation? Oh that’s right, it’s Russia… which the DSA just happens to conveniently align with.
It is exactly as I said, they pick and chose which genocides to condemn and condone.
You know you’re a full blown wackaloon when you start calling Bernie and AOC genocide supporters.
Removed, misinformation.
https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/
“This extreme and asymmetrical escalation is an illegal act under the United Nations Charter and severely threatens the livelihoods and well-being of working-class peoples in Ukraine, Russia, and across the region. We urge an immediate ceasefire and the total withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine.”