The Democratic Socialists of America pulled its endorsement of Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York this week, accusing the progressive congresswoman of being insufficiently supportive of the Palestinian cause and efforts to end the war in Gaza…
Her approach has increasingly strained her relationship with some of the left’s most strident critics of Israel. When she rallied last month in the Bronx with Senator Bernie Sanders and Representative Jamaal Bowman, dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators angry over her endorsement of Mr. Biden chanted “You’re a fraud, A.O.C.”
You just can’t help yourself can you? A year of having a wildly mistaken understanding of the political calculus around Joe Biden and what it takes for Democrats to win, putting out a view point and a particular rhetoric that was objectively helping Trump to victory; then the most minor of admonitions on your part that you were wildly in the wrong. But obviously zero introspection on your part as to why you were in the wrong. Have you considered why you were so wildly in the wrong as long as you were, to the point of basically costing the Democrats the ability to win any house of power in 2024?
We’re talking about AOC and the DSA, and I’m making some specific points about how to wield political power and what it takes to stay “in” power when the “team” you are on would rather not have you. You, like some one who has no fucking clue what they are talking about, decide to make it personal and just go on the attack. Brother. You have the political calculus of a naked mole rat. Like, the beliefs you have around politics aren’t useful for predicting what will happen.
You and many others here seem have attached your identity to a specific political team. And when that team gets criticized, you imagine yourself to be personally under attack. You (and many others here) can’t separate your identities. Maybe its because you are older, and haven’t spent the time to self-actualize and have that independent identity; maybe you are younger and haven’t had the opportunity. Maybe you have no real experience in politics or campaigning or institution building. Maybe you’ve never read on or studied power, how it manifests, and how it is wielded to great or little effect. Regardless, you obviously have significant work to do to train your understanding of the world to the point where the beliefs and things you think predict future states of the world, which, in my personal belief system, is the entire point.
I put probably close to 3000 volunteer hours into squad/ squad adjacent campaigns. I’ve run political organizations, for years. I’ve worked directly with politicians as an outside organization. If you, as a political organization, can’t withhold your endorsement/ power: you have none. And when you are charged with managing/ growing/ building a movement; building power is your entire job. If AOC isn’t going to be on the right side of DSA, and they endorse her anyways, the DSA loses all power in the relationship and suffers (likely falls apart) as an organization.
The perfect example of talking a lot and saying nothing.
Fucking hilarious. You have fun pumping up your favorite fascists to victory.
This is literally the identical rhetoric you used for almost a year to argue that we shouldn’t question Biden’s fitness for office.
Yes, and under the same reasoning. I made it very clear that my turn on Biden was because he has lost the confidence of the party which is a danger to his ability to win against fascism that would be alleviated somewhat by choosing another candidate now. My goal is to NOT GO UNDER A FASCIST REGIME THIS NOVEMBER. A radical position, I know, though, obviously, not nearly radical enough to meet your approval. Likewise, your argument is the same as it’s always been - “Letting fascism win is Good, Actually, because it shows the world how influential we are! Ha ha, take that, LIBERALS!”
See, what someone with an informed political calculus would have done, would have been to support criticism of the incumbent and demand a proper competitive primary 10 months ago while we still had lots and lots of time and bandwidth for it.
If your views only make sense looking backwards, your views don’t make sense.
Becasue “someone with an informed political calculus would have chosen to not vote at all, right?
How can you say shit like this, and then suggest that not voting will bring change?
Oh, someone with an informed political calculus would never have said “The historical advantages of having an incumbent and the disadvantages of a contested primary against the incumbent, which signals a lack of confidence in the candidate beyond what an ordinary primary entails, mean that the best choice is the current incumbent, since he has already declared he is running.” Of course not. What person with informed political calculus looks at stupid things like ‘past trends’ or ‘current polling’?
My view changed because the information available to me changed. I called heads and it was tails. I fucked up. You seem convinced because I fucked up that I’m ready to change my view from “Stopping fascism is good, actually” to “Fascism is okay if it we can show those LIBERALS who’s boss!”
Fucking what.
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean.
Yes, you did. Repeatedly and loudly, while calling everyone who was absolutely right fascists.
Just like you’re doing now.
Its so much more than that. Its that you had a wildly wrong opinion, an opinion that functionally hurt our ability to stop Trump. You had all the information you needed to make the right assessment, but your entire goal with your rhetoric was to shut down any kind of conversation that would allow for that right assessment to be made. It was fucking disgusting and it still is.
What it means, is that if your views only predict previous states of the universe but don’t generalize to new states of the universe, we should ignore you.
Amen
“Wow, I think that maybe the actual data might be correct, and that the ‘Biden Senile!’ line that’s been repeated for the past 4 years and not shown itself to be anything but typical GOP barking probably isn’t correct; clearly the fact that I made the wrong decision in that light means I should throw away the idea that stopping fascism is bad, and embrace hope that if enough of America licks boots for long enough, they’ll get tired of the taste and spontaneously spawn socialist movements across the country!”
And how the fuck are you supposed to determine that BEFORE new states of the universe come about? Do you… do you think prophecy is real or something? Like, this is materialism 101, I shouldn’t have to explain this to anyone not trying to cast spells to cure their ailing grandmother - adjusting one’s views in the face of new information is how solid theory is formed; that IS how theories advance to the point of being able to predict future events, it doesn’t just come fucking birthed into a wunderkind’s mind by the blessed seed of knowledge of the universe.
Its that your model of the universe is wrong and you dont seem to care. You only care if it predicts in reverse, which is functionally useless.