A purely utilitarian life is a life only spent on survival. Not a life I want to live.
Well, that hubris won’t afford you a livable world for much longer.
We could have respected the planet that birthed us, and taken only what we needed. Instead we extracted every natural resource we could find, and left behind countless shattered ecosystems. Even as the walls close in, we accelerate our pettiness and perform acts of wastefulness that alone do measurable ecological damage, and we celebrate it because it is “cool”.
If this is something you feel strongly about, then please stop eating factory farmed meat and animal products if you havent already. It is something you personally can actually do. It helps, and it will genuinely make you feel better. You may not have much power, but using the power you do have to help the team you claim to be on instead of the other team is a massive step forward.
the claim is that by not consuming factory farmed meat, you make an impact on the amount of emissions from its production. this is not true. it is also not analogous to raping anyone.
You honestly think that factory farm emissions font change if people don’t give them money for their product? If your head was any further down in the sand, the magma would melt it.
Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality. They are used to explain points to people who, for some reason, are unwilling or unable to otherwise understand.
Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality.
i didnt suggest they did. i’m saying that buying food is disanalagous to rape.
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to be clear, rape is wrong. buying food is not. you don’t not-rape in order to reduce rape. you don’t-rape because rape is wrong. by contrast, the goal of not-buying meat is to reduce the environmental impact of the meat industry. if that doesn’t work, then not-buying meat is not a moral duty (at least, not for that reason. it’s possible there is some other reason, but that’s not the topic being discussed).
What if you buy food from someone you know murdered children to get it? It’s so obviously wrong that buying food is never an immoral act. If you are interested in having philosophical conversations, then you really need to go back to the basics. At this point, you’re trying to join an archery competition with a nurf toy. There are undeniably immoral ways to get food. Destroying the planet and torturing animals for slightly cheaper food that you do not absolutely need to survive is absolutely immoral. The reason it is so hard for you to see this is because you are an addict making excuses. Not because you are starving and need the cheapest, most despicable food.
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes causes them to make less e missions. Unfortunately there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes cause them to make less emissions. Unfortunately, there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
I don’t know why I keep arguing with a troll, but maybe someone else will read this:
“I alone can’t change anything” is a premature excuse to shift responsibility to others. But you are responsible for your life and your actions. Be a good role model because you can.
Our survival as a species is at stake in the medium term, our coexistence and our democracy are threatened. There is no CO2 budget left, we need to globally stop emissions immediately. Every ton counts, every decimal point, because at 2.6 degrees humanity does not cease to exist, it just suffers even more than at 2.59 degrees.
There are big destroyers, we all know them by now. At the same time, even if these corporations disappeared immediately, we would still exceed the 1.5 degree target just through our reckless diet. Why do you push this responsibility away?
We need to change on all levels and as you most likely won’t blow up a pipeline, you can start with your diet right now:
Next time you’re shopping for groceries, save 2/3 of the land area, water consumption and CO2 emissions by buying a different product. Instead, you argue because you simply want to keep eating cheese sandwiches. Sounds so cynical and pathetic to me.
water and land aren’t going anywhere. and all of agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions, and since we need to eat, we should be looking at other methods of saving the environment.
Look, you’re not really wrong, but you get that this shit is why people get irritated with vegans right? We were talking about being wasteful with energy resources for the sake of capitalism and you came in with a lazy segue to animal rights and nutritional health.
It’s a conversation that we should be having, but it’s also insufferable to constantly be shoehorning it into every conversation.
You came in here with your absolutist utilitarian life above all else or we all die post just to respond with this because someone suggested you to stop eating meat. Beautiful.
I’m not vegan, and I never said anyone should be. Factory farms are the issue, not the consumption of animal products. Get some eggs from a local farmer, no big deal, enjoy, they’re delicious. Just don’t think for an instant that you have no guilt if you are shoveling a huge portion of the cash you earn to billionaires who torture animals and destroy the planet. You are guilty if this is what you do, and no amount of idiotic anger towards vegans who point out the obvious will make you innocent. You have to actually change if you don’t want to be responsible for this. Angrily trying to shut down anyone who points out your disgusting selfish addiction won’t do you. Grow up or shut up.
I don’t agree. The comment points out the single most easy and effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit. It’s not about animal rights and not about your health. Us still eating meat even though we know better is an incredibly dumb waste of energy for the sake of pleasure, exactly like this shitty powereating globe.
The comment points out the single most effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit.
If you are spending money on factory farmed meat, you are financing the industry.
regardless of what i (or you) spend my (or your) money on, the industry continues to grow. if i get hit by a bus today on my way home from work and die, the meat industry, i guarantee you, will not notice. they will continue to grow, producing more meat this year than last, and more next year than this.
And you are one of those “every problem on the planet is the fault of someone else other than me so I can do whatever I want with no regard for it’s affect on anyone else” people. Stay away from us if you can’t be bothered to carry your own weight, you just drag down people who actually give a shit about something other than their own immediate selfish gratification.
There are things in your power to change and things out of your power to change. What you are doing is sadly trying to excuse yourself from doing what you can do because of the existence of things you can’t. It’s absolutely because you are lazy. If everyone were like you, we would be screwed. As it is, the good things come from people who are not like you. You’re welcome. As someone who tries to help, you are a burden we have to deal with, we would appreciate it if you picked up some rope and helped us pull instead of just laying on the sled complaining.
The Top 1% have the power to cause so much damage. You most likely belong to the Top 10% and your reasoning is exactly the same: “Not my fault. Why would I change, as long as everyone else doesn’t.” But Prioners dilemma makes it worse for everyone involved. So be a better person than them, be the change you want to see in them and stop pointing fingers like a spoiled kid.
Take a train instead of a flight. Cycle to work or take public transport instead of driving. Install a heat pump or solar in your house. There are a million things people can do to cut down their emissions that can be as effective as becoming herbivores, depending on each one’s personal situation.
Plus, I don’t have the numbers in my head but I’m pretty sure a locally grown fillet of chicken is more environmentally friendly than an avocado that has travelled across the Atlantic, so “buy local” would be probably better advice.
Yeah, so many things one should do. Yet nothing is as simple as paying for a different product next time you’re shopping your groceries.
Avocados are way less harmfull to our planet than local meat. People keep bringing this up so often it’s part of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo.
Well, that hubris won’t afford you a livable world for much longer.
We could have respected the planet that birthed us, and taken only what we needed. Instead we extracted every natural resource we could find, and left behind countless shattered ecosystems. Even as the walls close in, we accelerate our pettiness and perform acts of wastefulness that alone do measurable ecological damage, and we celebrate it because it is “cool”.
If this is something you feel strongly about, then please stop eating factory farmed meat and animal products if you havent already. It is something you personally can actually do. It helps, and it will genuinely make you feel better. You may not have much power, but using the power you do have to help the team you claim to be on instead of the other team is a massive step forward.
no, it doesnt. despite the existence of vegans, meat production increases every year, year over year.
And there’s crime so you might as well rape. What a pathetic cop out. You’re lucky there are so many people taking care of you.
the claim is that by not consuming factory farmed meat, you make an impact on the amount of emissions from its production. this is not true. it is also not analogous to raping anyone.
You honestly think that factory farm emissions font change if people don’t give them money for their product? If your head was any further down in the sand, the magma would melt it.
Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality. They are used to explain points to people who, for some reason, are unwilling or unable to otherwise understand.
i didnt suggest they did. i’m saying that buying food is disanalagous to rape.
edit
to be clear, rape is wrong. buying food is not. you don’t not-rape in order to reduce rape. you don’t-rape because rape is wrong. by contrast, the goal of not-buying meat is to reduce the environmental impact of the meat industry. if that doesn’t work, then not-buying meat is not a moral duty (at least, not for that reason. it’s possible there is some other reason, but that’s not the topic being discussed).
What if you buy food from someone you know murdered children to get it? It’s so obviously wrong that buying food is never an immoral act. If you are interested in having philosophical conversations, then you really need to go back to the basics. At this point, you’re trying to join an archery competition with a nurf toy. There are undeniably immoral ways to get food. Destroying the planet and torturing animals for slightly cheaper food that you do not absolutely need to survive is absolutely immoral. The reason it is so hard for you to see this is because you are an addict making excuses. Not because you are starving and need the cheapest, most despicable food.
I allowed that there may be some reason buying some food might be immoral.
why is the bar “absolute need for survival”?
you accusation of addiction is a personal attack. it has no bearing on the truth of any of the claims I’ve made.
no one is torturing animals
have you tried that?
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes causes them to make less e missions. Unfortunately there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
that has never happened
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes cause them to make less emissions. Unfortunately, there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
this is a thought terminating cliche
No it doesn’t, Commie
you’re cherrypicking.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
What is your point?
my point is that buying meat (or not) has no impact on the environment.
I don’t know why I keep arguing with a troll, but maybe someone else will read this:
“I alone can’t change anything” is a premature excuse to shift responsibility to others. But you are responsible for your life and your actions. Be a good role model because you can.
Our survival as a species is at stake in the medium term, our coexistence and our democracy are threatened. There is no CO2 budget left, we need to globally stop emissions immediately. Every ton counts, every decimal point, because at 2.6 degrees humanity does not cease to exist, it just suffers even more than at 2.59 degrees.
There are big destroyers, we all know them by now. At the same time, even if these corporations disappeared immediately, we would still exceed the 1.5 degree target just through our reckless diet. Why do you push this responsibility away?
We need to change on all levels and as you most likely won’t blow up a pipeline, you can start with your diet right now: Next time you’re shopping for groceries, save 2/3 of the land area, water consumption and CO2 emissions by buying a different product. Instead, you argue because you simply want to keep eating cheese sandwiches. Sounds so cynical and pathetic to me.
i never said that. i said that buying beans doesn’t change anything.
calling me names doesn’t change whether what i’m saying is true.
water and land aren’t going anywhere. and all of agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions, and since we need to eat, we should be looking at other methods of saving the environment.
Look, you’re not really wrong, but you get that this shit is why people get irritated with vegans right? We were talking about being wasteful with energy resources for the sake of capitalism and you came in with a lazy segue to animal rights and nutritional health.
It’s a conversation that we should be having, but it’s also insufferable to constantly be shoehorning it into every conversation.
You came in here with your absolutist utilitarian life above all else or we all die post just to respond with this because someone suggested you to stop eating meat. Beautiful.
I’m not vegan, and I never said anyone should be. Factory farms are the issue, not the consumption of animal products. Get some eggs from a local farmer, no big deal, enjoy, they’re delicious. Just don’t think for an instant that you have no guilt if you are shoveling a huge portion of the cash you earn to billionaires who torture animals and destroy the planet. You are guilty if this is what you do, and no amount of idiotic anger towards vegans who point out the obvious will make you innocent. You have to actually change if you don’t want to be responsible for this. Angrily trying to shut down anyone who points out your disgusting selfish addiction won’t do you. Grow up or shut up.
I don’t agree. The comment points out the single most easy and effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit. It’s not about animal rights and not about your health. Us still eating meat even though we know better is an incredibly dumb waste of energy for the sake of pleasure, exactly like this shitty powereating globe.
eating meat doesn’t emit co2
Yes it does, Commie. Fuck, am I debating 12 year old smartasses again?!
those are emissions from production.
Producing that meat does.
Note that the commenter didn’t say to quit all eating meat. They just said to quit eating “factory farmed” meat.
It’s not about eating meat, it’s about factory farming the meat and the damage to the environment caused by it.
… right. but your personal consumption doesn’t change industrial output.
If you are spending money on this meat, you are financing the industry. It’s not that complicated
regardless of what i (or you) spend my (or your) money on, the industry continues to grow. if i get hit by a bus today on my way home from work and die, the meat industry, i guarantee you, will not notice. they will continue to grow, producing more meat this year than last, and more next year than this.
Oh, you’re one of those “you can save the planet with your personal habits” people…
You enjoy your salad. I’m wondering what it takes to firebomb an oil refinery.
And you are one of those “every problem on the planet is the fault of someone else other than me so I can do whatever I want with no regard for it’s affect on anyone else” people. Stay away from us if you can’t be bothered to carry your own weight, you just drag down people who actually give a shit about something other than their own immediate selfish gratification.
Yes.
There are things in your power to change and things out of your power to change. What you are doing is sadly trying to excuse yourself from doing what you can do because of the existence of things you can’t. It’s absolutely because you are lazy. If everyone were like you, we would be screwed. As it is, the good things come from people who are not like you. You’re welcome. As someone who tries to help, you are a burden we have to deal with, we would appreciate it if you picked up some rope and helped us pull instead of just laying on the sled complaining.
The Top 1% have the power to cause so much damage. You most likely belong to the Top 10% and your reasoning is exactly the same: “Not my fault. Why would I change, as long as everyone else doesn’t.” But Prioners dilemma makes it worse for everyone involved. So be a better person than them, be the change you want to see in them and stop pointing fingers like a spoiled kid.
Take a train instead of a flight. Cycle to work or take public transport instead of driving. Install a heat pump or solar in your house. There are a million things people can do to cut down their emissions that can be as effective as becoming herbivores, depending on each one’s personal situation.
Plus, I don’t have the numbers in my head but I’m pretty sure a locally grown fillet of chicken is more environmentally friendly than an avocado that has travelled across the Atlantic, so “buy local” would be probably better advice.
Yeah, so many things one should do. Yet nothing is as simple as paying for a different product next time you’re shopping your groceries.
Avocados are way less harmfull to our planet than local meat. People keep bringing this up so often it’s part of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo.