Honest question, did we fight the Nazis because they were Nazis as we know them today (genocidal/racist/fascist)? Or did we fight the Nazis because they were attacking our allies?
It would be too simple to say either. Societies are diverse with multiple viewpoints.
Uhh…yes, because yes. They didn’t just burst onto the scene after Kristallnacht but once the regular folk see the pogroms it’s suddenly a war crime
If you grab a book on Henry ford and his ilk then you’ll need a book on Reconstruction and then a book on plantations, etc. This is a country by and for land owning white men so there was a lot of stern words before the Infamous day, after that it was a mix of actual Steve Rogers and the same robber barons getting richer but we mostly agreed with the Reich until it hit our shores.
If Japan stuck to their close neighbors and ze Germans just annexed Western Europe…we probably wouldn’t have all the beach landings and such, see again Ford and his friend list.
Because you got invaded. Nothing else.
Churchill (part American) always thought the Americans would join the war but they didn’t.
Germany was getting held up in Russia and Japan attacked America. Hitler thought if he declared war on America then Japan would declare war on Russia. Hitler was more worried about Russia so it was a good trade. Unfortunately for him Japan kept they pact of non aggression with Russia so it just caused him another enemy.
The US government under Roosevelt was opposed to the Nazis from the start, before WW2 began, on account of its fascist character.
While America was deeply racist at the time, it was also very unevenly racist, and even prominent Nazi fellow-travelers like Charles Lindbergh expressed revulsion at the level of Nazi racism displayed.
The genocide proper didn’t begin until WW2, and by the time we were already, for all practical purposes, ‘in the game’, so to speak.
Read Eisenhowers D-Day remarks. Most Americans believed the Nazis were a genuinely dangerous, oppressive evil that, left unchecked, were likely to subjugate the whole of Europe. Both their ideology and methods had to be rebuked on a moral level.
Because they attacked, I am fairly certain.
That’s a complicated question without a clear answer. It’s hard to establish the motivations of an individual person, but much harder when you’re talking about the entire country. Generally, people were united in the war effort, but for a variety of reasons. The NYT downplayed the Holocaust and specifically tried to avoid focusing on antisemitism, in part because they were worried that people wouldn’t like the idea of fighting a war to protect Jewish people, as racism and antisemitism were very much present. On the other hand, you had people like folk singer Woody Guthrie who explicitly connected the war to anti-fascism in his songs. But there were also plenty of people and media who had been praising Hitler, before he started invading everywhere.
Basically there were lots of reasons for lots of people to dislike the Nazis, so it’s kind of hard to detangle who was motivated by what and to what degree. Generally though, if they had kept to their own borders, it’s unlikely that any other country would have invaded them just for being fascists, and many countries went through great lengths not to go to war with them, because nobody wanted to recreate the devastation of WWI. Even then the US wasn’t willing to get directly involved until it was directly attacked.
Wasn’t Pearl Harbor also a main reason?
Yes, that’s what I said at the end. The US didn’t get involved until directly attacked.
It’s notable that the US decided to get involved and to focus on the European theater, despite being attacked by Japan. But that doesn’t really tell us about motivations. It could be that the US considered Nazi ideology more dangerous than Japan’s ideology, or it’s possible they were more interested in Europe for the sake of their allies, or it could’ve been a purely strategic decision.
Both. The autocratic bend that was already known of provided plenty of fuel for the pro-war camp, and it was a lot of what motivated Roosevelt to want to back the Allies as much as he was legally allowed.
Pearl Harbor was a tragedy, but as Churchill is attributed to have said, never let a good crisis go to waste.
Japan basically provided all the excuse the pro war camp needed to leeroy jenkins themselves at Hitler’s face.
We built the bomb with the intention of using them on Germany, that is the kind of axe you’ve got to grind with someone who you hate for a lot more reasons than just that they socked your best mate.
Every time I hear about a mass shooting, I always hope it’s at one of these gatherings or a KKK rally. It never fucking is tho… 😮💨
Do some reading on the Battle of Hayes Pond for some literary soul food.
Like how all the good people get assassinated
Come out Virginia
we will need them until capitalism ends
That’s what i used to tell my English mom when she told me to do chores. Sorry Victoria, we had a whole war about it and I don’t have to do what you tell me.
“You’re my mom? I didn’t vote for you!”
“Some guy making love to a random woman is no system of government.”
Just because you should have been on your knees doesn’t mean I have to be.
I wonder why she’s doing that.
Infused brain rot.
“Which would you rather believe? That you belong to a community of warriors battling a secret evil, or that you’re a lonely, inconsequential nobody that no one will remember?”
Well, I know which of those is true.
Approximately one war every 80 years is what we’re on pace for.
Gotta wait for the last people who experienced the horrors first hand to finally retire from power.
Yeah I actually think this is literally why. As a species we can write things down all we want but we struggle to truly understand things we didn’t experience.
Maybe we should put VR to good use finally.
Even our living memory fades fairly fast. Maybe, at best, a couple years before people can be convinced the past is different than it actually was.
America is involved in waaay more than a war every 80yrs.
There was Irak, Afghanistan, Kuwait, and Vietnam at the very least.
No but the white wars against white supremacists were in 1860 and 1940 so 80 years apart.
Given that it took another 100 years from 1860 until formal equal rights regardless of race were established we should mabye just call them wars between white supremacists and other white supremacists.
White imperialism against white imperialism you mean.
White surpremacy was not an issue for WW2 America.
Butt my free-dumb!!?
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF 👊🏼
Don’t think I’ve seen a bigger oxymoron before… The definition of punk is being anti-authoritarian.
It’s in reference to the Dead Kennedys’ song with that same title. There was a rise in far right “punk music” along with early skinhead (neo-nazi) movement when the song was written. Nazi punks were trying to flood the scene and people were not letting them.
“Nazi punks” beat the oxymoron by being anti-authoritarian, just depending on who’s authority they reject.
I won’t tolerate any boot on any neck (except if there’s my foot in it)
Did you think this through? Seems pretty authoritarian to me (sounds like “nobody should rule but me”)… maybe it’s a quote so I don’t get it.
I like this bettrr: Und weil der Mensch ein Mensch ist, drum hat er Stiefel im Gesicht nicht gern! Er will unter sich keinen Sklaven seh’n und über sich keinen Herr’n.
(And because a human is a human, he doesn’t want a boot to the face! He wants no slaves under him, and no masters above!) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einheitsfrontlied
This wasn’t supposed to be my opinion but a nazi punk slogan invented on the spot.
I liked the mental imagery of him attempting to put a boot to his own neck.
The Nazi punks are super into yoga
There were also wars of “being a Native American and being allowed to live” Vs “fucking dying”.
I guess wars aren’t always a good metric.
You don’t get to be a proud american period, since the Confederacy lost the battle but won the war (see the thirteenth amendment) and the USA inspired and created the Nazis (Ford/Rockefeller funding for instance) and then rescued thousands of their leaders after WW2 (Operation Paperclip, Operation Bloodstone). What’s the difference between Nazis and a society that rescues them?
How is Biden different from Adolph Hitler?
This you?
Yes, can you answer the question?
There’s absolutely no difference between a Nazi and a society which rescues them. This is why the Soviets and the US immediately started shuttling Jews into death camps post-WW2.
More Jews fought for the Soviets than for any of the other allied powers. Most of the founders of the USSR were also Jewish! Try again, nazi!
More Jews fought for the Soviets than for any of the other allied powers. Most of the founders of the USSR were also Jewish! Try again, nazi!
lol
From your source, CIApedia:
After this period of intellectual quarantine had passed, the specialists returned to Germany between 1950 and 1958, with the majority of them until 1954.
When did the Nazis rescued by the USA return to Germany? When was the CIA punished for rescuing Nazis?
From your source, CIApedia:
lol
Remind me, what was the USSRs role in Poland ca. WW2? How about the Balkans? The US is awful in a number of ways and are guilty of the same crimes as many other world powers; but don’t pretend your precious Soviet state wasn’t amenable to ethnic cleansings and pogroms either. You’re delusional if if you think the half dead twat currently in the oval office is even close to Hitler
It wasn’t amenable to ethnic cleansing or pogroms because it was founded by the people who were the victims of ethnic cleansing and pogroms. Maybe it’s time to take a break from CIApedia?
Two words: Lavrentiy Beria
Care to explain the entirety of that mans rise to power and how it didn’t involve ethnic cleansings of any sort?
That girl just needs a good dicking to get the Nazi out of her.
Ew
Didn’t realize there were so many Nazi supporters on this site.
Please stop, coomer.
I for one believe that she needs more than a good dickin’
But if the personalities of alt right men are as candid as every example I’ve ever seen, id say that there is a good probability that there ain’t no dickin’
No.
Dam son. You thirsty. You just need to rub one out.
But alt right men are treating alt right women poorly!!!
It’s not thirst. Sometimes those Nazi women need to be put in their place with dick.
Username checks out??
Dude… Don’t put your dick in crazy. 🫤
It’s only a Nazi. It’s not like they’re human beings
Lol, you’re right, Nazism sucks, and they killed a lot of people to justify how they’re better than everyone else.
And it’s only fair if we kill them as well.
Well, Nazi endgame is a neverending militarism and violent ethnic cleansings, so I’d say any amount of wars is objectively better.
she smells like onions lol
How old is this picture? Those are some giant pixels