Good. Anyone described as a “moderate” in the US is actually a conservative at best. Anyone described as a “conservative” is actually a fascist at best.
I hate this divisive bullshit. Democracies require pluralities. You need to be a big tent party to govern.
Reality check: Repubs are trying to elect an insurrectionist promising to be a dictator. I’m sorry facts are divisive, I don’t like the situation either.
Sorry. how does AOC defeating democratic moderate in a primary impact a republican getting elected. I don’t think moderate D’s or voting R on the presidential ballot. A moderate Democrat is still voting democrat.
The most divisive people in politics don’t want that big tent to be a governable coalition. If you appeal to big tent politics they start trying to incite violence including political subjugation of the same opponents that you’re trying to appeal to. You’ll see them around.
It seems many described as “left” in the USSA are conservatives too.
Moderate? Marty Dolan is a full-blown conservative. Why do we keep pretending like being a Democrat means you can’t be a conservative? The DNCs entire top brass is conservative. It’s a conservative party by objective international standards.
Because the Overton window in the United States has many people viewing fascists as friends and anyone further left than center right as “extreme left wing socialist communist Nazi terrorists”.
I hate it when ignorant people conflate Nazis and communists. I have argued with so many dumb people who think that the Nazis were a Socialist party, when the exact opposite is true. These people probably think that the DPRK is democratic, too.
Well if’n it weren’t properly a democracy how comes that 'ere Kim fella put it in the name, huh?
It’d be like thinking the Democrats and Republicans are arguing about whether America should he a direct or representative democracy.
It amazes me that primaries are held this late in the year. It’s only four months or so until the election.
I agree. Why weren’t they all done last November?
Massachusetts has not held its Senate primary yet either. I had to check, it will be on September 3rd it seems.
Why make election season much longer than needed?
Printing ballots can be done quite quickly.
And is 6 months of campaigning really better than 2 months?
It’s better for the politicians wallets.
Well no, it’s better for the politician’s campaign’s wallets. If people could spend campaign funds however they wanted then Donald Trump would have quite a few less pending felonies.
First of all, there’s TONS of ways to enrich yourself by running for office without technically breaking any of the very flimsy campaign finance laws. That’s why people with literally no chance of winning keep running for public offices up to and including the presidency.
Second of all, the FEC, which is ALREADY as toothless as a nonagenarian who never brushed his teeth due to chronic deliberate underfunding and understaffing, has an EXTREME backlog of cases from having lacked a quorum for the better part of a year.
Third, even if the FEC was otherwise effective, this is TRUMP we’re talking about here. He’s getting away with TONS of campaign finance fraud and legal misuse of donations as is.
Ffffuuuuuuucccckkk no its not better. It’s just that our system predated most parliaments, and as such the founding fathers made some stupid choices that made it utterly impossible to amend basic quailty of life changes for our democracy.
Just in the spirit of pedantry, its not really true to say that the US system predated most parliaments.
Like, maybe its technically true now due to the expansion of democratic and republic systems in the post-colonial era, but parliaments in Western Europe were plentiful and long-established in 1776.
The first American government was notable in that is was completely divorced from a hereditary Monarch, and I don’t wanna downplay that, but a system in which a representitive body of land-owners is elected by an enfranchised class to decide policy and even pass legislation existed in, for example, Iceland since the 10th Century, Catalonia since the 12th, England since the 13th. It was arguably the standard during the enlightenment in Europe.
My two cents, the US system does seem to be remarkably inflexible. I guess it’s complicated to unpack why exactly, but a combination of myth-making, bad-faith originalists, and the sheer size of the country probably all play a part in it
What did the founding fathers decide that made it impossible to have short election seasons in the US?
The process to amend the constitution. It’s all but impossible given modern politics, and that’s largely been true for 50 years and counting.
That has nothing to do with how long election season is.
Are you even American?
Our election cycle cant be curtailed or shifted because our constitution can’t realistically be amended to match the saner policies in other countries. When our constitution is so antiqued that that “money is speech” becomes the law of the land, there is a core problem with the founding document itself.
How it that not related to our election cycle?
Because a constitutional convention is so wildly unlikely it’s just distracting from any actually helpful suggestions.
Only in America. Other counties campaign for a few weeks. The US turns it into a 12 month fund raising and media spectacular, with primaries at the halfway point.
A while back, HR 1 For the People Act promised to remedy much of the issue but it never got a vote in the senate because Republicans held the Senate Speaker until the next congress was formed.
And because, having gotten back in power, Dem leadership didn’t take it up again as they too are getting rich from the current system.
Same reason Biden is talking about a potential tax on the rich but won’t ever be caught talking about repealing the Trump tax raise on the working class that actually happened.
The Trump tax cut expires next year. Biden has promised not to renew it if he’s reelected.
Get informed.
Uh huh.
And he didn’t repeal it why?
It was an act passed by congress and signed by a sitting president. Biden alone doesn’t have the authority to change it, and if he did try that then it would be caught up in courts for years.
You should probably not be asking smug rhetorical questions when you don’t actually understand how the federal government works.
Use a search engine, educate yourself.
TBF, after the 2020 election they were faced with issues like budget reconciliation and debt limit (without which nothing would be voted on at all during a government shutdown) as well as reimplementing some of the many regulations taken down by the Trump admin and finally passing a 1.9 Trillion Dollar infrastructure deal alongside a new round of stimulus checks (which the receiving states decided how to use, sadly), and many congressional hearings about corruption of the former administration and federal judges (which ultimately hasn’t lead anywhere other than referrals to the DOJ).
So in the 2 year span that they held 48 + 2 senate seats and house majority, they were pretty tied up I would say.
The Dem presidential primary still has like two more months.
Biden and his pick for DNC chair set the date, they could have made it whenever.
They choose after the deadline to get on all 50 ballots for some reason.
Dems? Primary?
ROFL.
It’s pretty recent that campaigning started so early. Even Obama didn’t campaign as early as trump and Biden do.
Has Trump ever stopped campaigning since 2016? I feel like this has gone on for decades.
Moderate: Conservative Democrat/I Can’t Believe It’s Not A Republican
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It’s a very progressive district, that’s how she got elected in the first place. This is not a surprise.
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I bet my politics fit closer to the other guy, but I’d still vote for AOC between the two because she has a national influence and disproportionate power in the Caucus. If you’re actually voting to influence Congress towards helping your district in particular, AOC might get that done even if it’s secondary to her national political project. Some moderate guy in a safe D seat would absolutely never get anything for your district.
In the rest of the Western world, AOC would be considered a moderate.
Welcome to the US where the left is still right of center
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Radicalize the moderates !
Good for her. Sucks that Jamaal Bowman lost though.
Yeah, having to listen to Steve Innskeep gleefully break the news of Bowman’s defeat on NPR this morning was not a great way to start the day.
And of course NPR frames it as confirmation that voters support genocide, not that AIPAC uses GOP money to sabotage the Democratic party. Their reporting is getting worse and worse by the day.
Listening to NPR is like consuming pure Liberal Zionist propaganda
They’re pretty bad on Israel, yeah. All Things Considered is particularly terrible.
Innskeep and Mary Louise Kelly get me pissed of more than anyone else. Or Ayesha Roscoe. They’re all terrible interviewers.
To be fair, frogs are pretty dope.
This is the wrong post, but my point stands.
It was the comment this post needed. Thank you
You’re welcome, I’m glad I could remind you of frogs on this day.
fuck moderates, we’re fighting for our goddamn lives and the life of American democracy. We got no room for both-siders.
Personal loans. Ouch.
Hopefully it’s a painful enough lesson he never comes near politics again.
He’s swimming in the bank pools, he’ll be fine.
The loans are just so he can write that off.
In the rest of the world. A 66 year old investment banker would be considered right wing
Despite his efforts, Dolan’s message did not gain enough traction. His campaign, funded largely by personal loans, couldn’t match Ocasio-Cortez’s $8 million war chest.
You people are living in an oligarchy and “who has more money for this season” being a perfectly normal news bit outside of popular sports is completely insane.
Jesus fuck you people claim it’s rigged no matter who wins
If the moderate wins you claim the DNC tipped the scales
If the progressive wins you claim corpos tipped the scales
Maybe just shut the fuck up?
The DNC are not moderates. They are economic far right with imperialist foreign and racist internal policy, but some LGBT rights sprinkled in between.
And i am quite sure if people like Sanders or Stein would win it will definitely not be because of corporations funding them, more the opposite actually.
Yeah, Stein was funded by Putin and his buddies.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted:
“Building support for Stein was one of a “roster of themes” the Moscow-sanctioned internet trolls “turned to repeatedly,” report says.”
that’s not funding.
Jesus fuck you people claim it’s rigged no matter who wins
Headline: “Person with most money wins race handily”
Far Left Antifa CCP Tankie on Lemmy: “Damn, seems like the sheer volume of money is determining the winners of these races”
Reasonable Rational Centrist: “STFU, you stupid idiot! Why can’t you just be happy that the person with the most money won?!”
Yeah, that’s how elections work. If it were in good faith, it’d be a valid complaint. But it’s not. It’s just another thing they pulled from a hat labeled “how can we make Democrats look bad here?”
I like how that guy thinks the hive mind complains when progressives win because of “corporate donations”
Clearly Jamaal Bowman isn’t as progressive as George Latimer, but Lauren Boebert’s progressive bonafides pushed her through.
Yeah those corpos tipping the scales for progressives. Such a thing.
That’s because billionaires have purchased SCOTUS. The outcome of a single court case has allowed unlimited money from whomever into election campaigns.
You realize that “you people” includes you, correct?
Or are the mega rich treated just like everyone else where you are?
If so, where is this magical land of fairness?
I do not life in the US. However because of US hegemony and my country being a suck up to the US i have to follow what is going on there.
But in case there is any doubt. The country i live in, which is Germany is corrupt and authoritarian with a complicit public and private media as well as the “center” parties moving further to the right and helping fascism rise faster than ever before. The “liberal” middle class are to a large extent just self delusional racists and the country will become a fascist hellhole in the next ten years.
So if you have the opportunity, please help spread awareness about all the shit happening here too.
Politics shift to the right when people feel disparity, and their future looks break. Politics shift left when people feel optimistic about their future.
Which is absolutely fucking stupid because we need leftist politics when the future looks bleak and when the future looks rosy that is the time to be more conservative about change…
But we’re just human, we do everything ass backwards :/
We are the smartest of all the dumb animals in this world. Nothing more.
Feels like the whole world is on the same trajectory.
Hopefully, the UK is going to take a couple of steps to the left shortly.
If it does, it’s not because the country is moving left but because the right fucked up.
Yeah, it’s a great first few steps. Really hoping LibDem becomes the official opposition and it’s just two Left™ parties driving each other leftward.
Current Labour concerns me with how it’s moved rightwards, but Daddy Starmer has my vote regardless
I don’t know, Labour should win a landslide next week in the UK. And Conservatives will become a party #3 or even #4 for the first time since forever. Tories also ran out of money, lol.
You mean Keir “Tony Blair without the charisma and leadership abilities” Starmer’s Labour? Fat lot of good THAT pack of ideologically bankrupt liberals are going to do other than freeing the UK from the even worse Tories! 😮💨
Are you on drugs?
Not right now, no. Why, you selling? 😛
I can’t imagine how nice it must be having more than two parties that’re viable to vote for.
It’s still FPTP here, it’s just that people got sick of Tories. Even billionaires got sick, imagine that.
It is, expect everything to lurch to the right for the foreseeable future. Get ready for more humanitarian crises as we in the west increase sending climate and conflict refugees back to countries of origin or 3rd countries for “asylum processing” as climate change really starts to bite.
Also, I hope you enjoy Cold War 2: Arctic Summer Melt.
The country i live in, which is Germany is corrupt and authoritarian with a complicit public and private media as well as the “center” parties moving further to the right and helping fascism rise faster than ever before. The “liberal” middle class are to a large extent just self delusional racists and the country will become a fascist hellhole in the next ten years.
The funniest part is that this has been brought about by the common belief that idealism is stupid and dangerous and leads to fascism, while cynicism is very smart and realistic. One good thing about idealism is that it gives you a reason to fight and sense of good and evil.
What I mean is that idealism, say, 20 years ago would be associated with extremism, neo-Nazis, unreformed Bolsheviks, sect members, radical Islam. But somehow the actual fighting forces sporting all such ideologies work without it too.
As if that “sail” filled not with wind, but with popular emotion were worse than lack thereof, because without it your “boat” wouldn’t be moved from the right (presumably) track. Turns out the “boat” also has “oars”. Evil doesn’t have to be charismatic, although it was that in the 1930s. It can do just fine with apathy and half-consent.
Yes, that’s right. The last European elections at the latest showed impressively that those dull people who are unable to see through the PR campaigns of the powerful are not an exclusive US problem. It is of course absolutely right that we in Europe rely far too much on the Americans and should set stricter limits to their capitalism, which in my opinion is completely out of joint. But I fear that we have already gotten too far into this quagmire. This is precisely why it is all the more important to raise awareness of this and to name those who are actually responsible for falling living standards and growing inequality - the US-type opportunists, the hangers-on and especially the blatant fascists in the ranks of our politicians and our societies. I am not at all convinced that the reasonable people have a shot, but I sure will continue to make an effort.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/party-financing lots of countries limit how much can be given to politicians
Eh… There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.
Hiring politicians on as lobbyists or allowing friends and family to sit on private run boards and trusts can create a back channel for money to flow into a politician’s pockets. Public money can be funneled into private profits for which the supporting politicians are also stockholders. And politicians can receive discounted/free services from friendly private sector constituencies. FOX News, the classic example, is a multi-billion dollar network dedicated to running Republican-friendly media. But when corporate lobbyists and political strategists can be found everywhere from the boards of NPR/PBS to the guest chairs of MSNBC to the editorial rooms of the WaPo/WSJ/NYT, there’s really no safe spaces left.
You can mitigate the direct “bag of cash for favors” effect that, say, John Boehner cutting tobacco lobbyist checks on the floor of the House has produced in the past. But you can’t keep public sector administrators from finding ways to receive kickbacks via private sector channels unless you completely divorce these institutions.
Eh… There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.
There are any number of hypothetical end-runs around just about anything you can think of, that doesn’t make protections, mechanisms, controls, or safeties useless.
In the US, political bribery is nearly 100% legal. I’d rather have some hoops for corrupt officials to jump through. We don’t even make them break a sweat in this country.
There are any number of hypothetical end-runs
Not even hypothetical. We just had the SCOTUS kick down the door on legal bribery in Snyder v United States.
I’d rather have some hoops for corrupt officials to jump through
I mean, if we’ve got a magic lamp I can do better than a few hoops. But the system is of the corrupt, by the corrupt, for the corrupt.
At some point, you’re forced to recognized the farce of democracy at work.
IIRC, people were talking about places that aren’t the US.
As stated, political bribery in the US is nearly 100% legal. You can even study it in school and make a career out of it.
The Canadian system has it’s own share of corruption and bribery. Just check out Rob Ford, ffs.
I hope people stop believing the bullshit that’s trying to get progressives to not vote or to vote for 3rd parties. Progressives absolutely can win democrat tickets, and that’s exactly why there’s so much propaganda trying to convince people otherwise. Progressives have a lot of political power right now, and the whole system can swing left if people don’t just give up. Progressives giving up is the only play the right has.
Progressives should absolutely vote in primaries and lower contests. They should also make it very clear there are limits to their graciousness when our president supports blatant war crimes and genocide.
I don’t disagree. But we’re living in interesting times.
I don’t like most of the people on the ticket I’ll be given in November, but you know what’s objectively worse? Actual fascism. Fascism always ends in genocide, and these white Christian nationalists aren’t even trying to hide it, going mask-off even before they have the power to back it up.
When fascists can be this bold and still keep their seats of power, that’s quite worrying.
As I saw someone say earlier, we’re in democracy triage.
I’d vote for Biden’s corpse before trump or not voting. We must wrest all power from the fascists before we can squabble about who’s more left.
We must be able to effectively fight it though. And blindly voting for the elite approved opposition ends in them holding the door open for fascists every time.
Graciousness? I don’t think that’s the right word…you don’t vote for someone because you’re being gracious, you vote for someone because you think they’ll deliver what you want - on in this case perhaps, the closest person who actually stands a hope in he’ll of getting elected.
Oh no. It’s graciousness to vote for the guy you lost to and who went out of his way to break campaign promises on unions, climate change, and immigration. Another term is good loser.
But the point is there’s limits. There have to be limits or else you’re not a loser in a political contest, you’re a blind supporter they never need to actually listen to.
The only other option is trump. Are you trying to get people to vote for trump? If so, why?
Ah yes, Reddit, and a Biden specific sub. The very material of unbiased analysis.
Also. You’re responding to something pre-debate. There are very definitely other options now. Run a debate series with select candidates, open a comment period with the state parties, and culminate in an open convention.
Let that be a lesson.
Now at a greater scale!
