Is this “IDF terrorists using Palestinian as human shield” or “IDF rushing wanted man for medical treatment” or both?
I appreciate you actually engaging with this in good faith unlike the other lemmings (fitting lol) here.
I bet. Bad faith actors love being taken at face value.
A civilian got shot, likely by Israel. They, strapped him to the hood, prevented the Palestinian ambulances from taking him, drove away and then ditched the guy. So just the Human shield part.
The very article that’s used states they took him to a hospital and he was a suspected militant.
Now this is Israel’s report but you can’t just hand wave facts and statements.
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The Palestinian Red Crescent Society said Israeli soldiers initially prevented paramedics from treating the man.
He was eventually transferred to an ambulance and taken to hospital.
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The jeep did not take him to a hospital. I recommend watching the video in the article too. Makes the situation very clear.
Why would not give a suspected militant to the Red crescent?..
Edit to add links that prove you wrong:
“However, he was later handed over to the Red Crescent.”
“He was eventually transferred to the Red Crescent for treatment.”
“He was transferred to the Red Crescent to receive medical treatment, the Israeli military added.”
Indeed eventually. After they initially prevented the Red Crescent from helping the man.
Did you watch the video in the article? The footage makes it very clear the soldiers are not helping the man into an ambulance.
I was obliterating your failed attempt to make it seem like IDF didn’t give this man to the Red Crescent. You lied.
But my point is you wouldn’t give a suspected militant back to the organization. That is a stupid thing to do. My opinion is that they took him to IDF medical treatment, cleared this man of any militant ties and transferred him to the RC after they knew he wasn’t a threat. Is that how you treat a human shield?
You can see the IDF weaving past the ambulance not handing him over in the video.
Their orders were to drag them.
Yes. They were clearly ordered to not get caught.
It’s amazing how often the Israeli military does that. They’re all just Mavericks. Loose cannons. Not you know in the heroic kind of way where they defy orders to save their comrades or rescue civilians though. In the commit war crimes type of way.
Can you be more specific? What do you mean by It’s amazing how often the Israeli military does that? Are there any other recent instances where they tied people on the hoods of vehicles?
The article states they did stuff like this in the second intifada but were banned from doing so by the Israeli Supreme Court. Although there have been “reports” of similar incidents since then.
I’m sorry that the IDF war crimes have been creatively diverse enough that they don’t need to do the same exact thing twice for your liking.
And now we have so-called “videos” of them doing it. Before you know it, there’ll be actual “proof” and stuff.
We have a video of speculation. I understand how that’s enough for the dumdums
So what’s the required number of videos to convince galactic geniuses such as yourself? 2? 12? Or do we just move the goalposts after every bit of information comes out that doesn’t support your opinion? That seems to be how it works, or you just switch to “lalala, I can’t hear you”…
Israel will be on the wrong side of history on this, and it won’t even take long.
Videos always surface, you bozos mald and then move on when they’re proven false. Remember when Israel bombed the hospital when it was Hamas’ misfire? Again, I don’t support anyone blindly like you clowns.
Israel is a country and “Palestinians” live in its designated territories. History is in disagreement with you 🤣
You’re a fucking idiot and you’re going to know it in a few years.
I stood there and defended the US going back into Iraq because I was propagandized, only to find out what a bunch of bullshit I was fed by the people that made the decisions. At least I had the good grace to feel like a fool afterwards, I doubt you have the self-awareness to make that happen.
We also have statements from the IDF that this actually happened. It’s in the linked article. In the first sentence.
Omg thank you!
"In violation of orders and standard operating procedures,
This claim is miles away from saying they committed a war crime. Thank you so much!
What? That’s literally a confirmation‽
You can only do something in violation of orders by actually doing it. Therefore -> “in violation of orders” translates to “they did X in violation of orders”
Based on the rest of the comment, I think they were referring to how often members of the Israeli military defy orders.
That’s what I figured but I wanted more info and sources to those claims.
Here an easy resource from a website that usually have receipt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes?wprov=sfti1
Here is some notes to help you with wikipedia.
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you read the overall sentence. Usually it ends with a source or multiple. Usually news article, research paper, books, blogs and many other form.
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sometimes you can open the link to it is own specific page which usually have more details.
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if you are not sure about a specific incident or don’t like the wordings, you can:
- select the incident title or information
- right mouse click.
- choose “Copy” from the menu
- open a search engine, it is a website that you can write things into and it will gave you information about you can check put.
- put the text you copied into the search bar
- click search
- you will see a list of information about the incident
- read
- understand
- if that doesn’t work you can always ask in a new post about where to find more information about the topic you are interested in.
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It’s that because their orders were “kill them all, take no prisoners”?
Let’s keep adding more war crimes to the list. Oh and have video proof for the whole world to watch for-EVER.
I don’t understand how it can be a “human shield”. Why doesn’t the other truck have a person attached? Why is he positioned in a way that protects very little? Why would they take their human shield to a hospital for treatment?
And, conversely, why are you guys using razor precision on this one incident when Hamas literally, and exclusively, uses human shields and actually targets civilians.
Please don’t just say some dumb crap about “hurr it’s never good for any side to do this” - please entertain the questions or don’t even bother. Your side is as morally bankrupt as it is misinformed. If you feel like downloading I’d appreciate a comment as well.
He is positioned the way he is due to the “slatted” design of the humvee grill. Because of that, you’d either have to have them down there or up on the actual hood. You don’t want a human shield squirming on the hood because the humvee sight lines are already bad so if you were the kind of war criminal that’s also practical, this would be where you would put them.
The rest of your questions are horrific. This one is too, but at least there’s an answer.
So everything I’m reading/seeing says there’s some facts on this matter:
- The IDF said this was a suspected militant injured in a firefight
- The IDF gave this person to the Red Crescent
- Israel said they’re "looking into this matter and will deal with this accordingly
The speculation is that they were using him as a human shield. I, and everyone else for that matter, don’t know this for absolute certainty. We can both agree that this is a rather crude way of transporting an injured person at best or a deliberate war crime at worst. Your opinion about the placement is mere speculation and kind of stupid if I’m being honest.
I’ll be back later to edit this comment when more facts come out and they charge (or not) this individual(s) with war crimes. I wish I could say the same about the other side and the people that support them.
Every time the facts come out, it’s worse than the reality.
Everyone on the genoside jumped on the mutilated babies thing without a shred of proof with nary a comment when it was shown to be utter bullshit, but apparently an actual video showing a war crime doesn’t constitute facts in some people’s heads.
Let’s be real the only side that’s concerned about facts is Israel. There are people that make stupid claims and then are corrected oftentimes by Israel themselves. This is absolutely not true for Hams or any other militant group.
Please explain to me how this video is proof it’s a war crime. Please provide the case document that explicitly states this IDFs intent. Why can’t you just wait for more information instead of doing this dumb dance every time?
You’re the only one doing a dumb dance by defending Israel in their land grab and genocide. And if I was a Palestinian in Gaza I’d damn sure be fighting against the IDF invading my land, raping my sisters and killing my children.
Dawg, Hamas raped and tortured people on Oct 7. They’ve been doing it before and since then but you think this is a one sided thing?
What land grab? Please don’t start this without reading at least a little bit about the disputed territories. It’s so boring to have to correct literally everyone.
Enlighten us please on what has to be corrected
Please cite when Israel has cared about facts?
Ironically the 40 mutilated babies story. You’re so uninformed it’s actually making me sad.
On Wednesday, a spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told CNN that babies and toddlers were found with their “heads decapitated” in southern Israel after Hamas’ attack. By Thursday morning, an Israeli official told CNN the government had not confirmed claims of the beheadings.
So the disproven story they continue to use is proof they care about facts?
Ok. Lesson learned. When someone tries to kill me, if they lose the fight and need medical attention, I’ll leave them on the street.
At least then I won’t be viewed as inhumane.
So, which order did they violate, according to the Israeli leadership? Trying to give the guy medical attention?
I especially liked your comment further down, though, about how you immediately characterize the guy, in civilian, strapped to the hood of a jeep like a fucking trophy deer, as “a murderer.” You’ve got shit-all knowledge about this person; they could have been a journalist, a medic, but since it’s Israeli soldiers driving the jeep, he’s immediately a “murderer.”
Your biggotry is showing, there, Rambo.
The IDF was preventing the ambulances from taking the guy. A video of the event exists.
Have you seen the video?
They put the person in front of the car.
You don’t strap a person you intend to help with ropes to the outside of the car
Have you ever fought in a war? Because if you haven’t, then you really can’t understand the decisions that warfighters make in the moment.
That’s the problem with most of these people. You all seem to think that when you’re actively engaged in a conflict you’ll exercise a degree of judgement that exists in a completely different world.
And if you haven’t fought in a conflict and tried to save the very person that’s shot at you, then you have absolutely no room to judge.
I’ve served for 18 years in several conflicts. And I always operate in a manner that ensures that I come home every night to my family. So yeah, I don’t blame those guys for strapping that asshat to the hood.
You have no right to judge these people for operating in a warzone and SAVING LIVES OF THEIR ADVERSARY if you haven’t looked the guy who is trying to kill you in the face.
So fuck all of you for assuming that strapping a murderer to a hood to transport them to medical is somehow inhumane.
Fight a war, watch children die, and then come at me with your laughable morals. That guy was lucky someone strapped him up. Because I would have killed him. And I would expect that if you saw a 6 year old get ragdolled across concrete and then scooped her brains up so her father could give her a a funeral, you’d think differently too. But you sit here behind your keyboard and judged like some sort of moral authority.
Three little words,
Die in shit
This is almost “navy seal” level copy pasta. PLEASE tell us more about how much smarter you are than us or how you empathize with the IDF murders
LMAO@ navy seal copy pasta. That’s a reflection of your own lack of knowledge of how the US wages war or supports allies. You seem to think that only the seals experience conflict? That assumption is not only absolute fiction but also insulting to the USMC, USN, ARMY, USAF, USCG, and all contractors. I’m sorry that you exist in a world where the navy seals seem to solve all the world problems, but I encourage you to enlist in literally any other service so you can experience the real world.
Great job at discrediting literally every branch of military service and every paramilitary civilian force. Your comment reflects your ignorance on war fighting.
As I said, pick up a child’s brains, hand them to a grieving father, and then disparage the forces trying to stop the killing.
You literally can’t. And you’re all hypocritical for shaming the soldiers who are trying and acting like you understand anything at all about fighting a war.
You’re all pieces of shit for acting like you are better than these people.
I’m so fuckin encouraged by all of you. You pretend that this is copypasta and that this doesn’t affect you. You all just want an excuse to hate a government and can’t understand the decisions the warfighters of any government could make. You’re all pieces of shit who have never served. So your voice means nothing. Enjoy your circle jerk.
Lololol. We are clapping for you!
Clap for yourself when the terrorists throw your homosexuals from towers because their orientation is blasphemy.
By your reading comprehension and lack of emotional regulation, I’m guessing you are or were a Marine.
By your reading comprehension and lack of emotional regulation, I’m guess you are a college student.
If you wish to better understand how the US defends itself from adversaries, please tell me where you reside, and I will happily meet with you and your local recruiter.
I reside right by your mother’s welcoming pussy, come at me soldier. Bring the recruiter too and we’ll run a train on her, that’s her favorite.
Buddy, I’m not the one writing scores of angry paragraphs because someone said something bad about a soldier.
Get therapy (if the VA will answer your calls) or you’ll keep embarrassing yourself like this.
by your… lack of emotional regulation-
Dude, you are no place to judge one’s actions on their emotions all regulation. You’re entirely unhinged.
Lolol this is great copypasta, saving for future use.
I’m upvoting this because it was clearly a hilarious copypasta adopted to attack me. And written tongue in cheek. In spite of the fact that the writer has centered upon my unique experience of “scooping up brains” as nobody has ever actually discussed that openly before. Good job fella. The fact is that many faiths require a whole body to ensure a person’s soul make it to heaven. I have no confirmed kills. I hope that you feel better about yourself. You are clearly a fucking coward.
And I hope that you remain coward. You escape the trauma of loss of life as a result of your own actions. And that’s a good thing. Best of luck, you worthless fuckwads.
You’re the one so afraid you can’t comprehend the victim of this heinous act may actually be an innocent, which he likely is given this occurred in the West bank.
Now go rant about your poor life choices to someone who cares. If there’s still anyone left who will put up with you.
Have you ever fought in a war?
No, because I have moral standards. Good luck finding yours.
I’ve been watching Israelis scattering children’s brains across the land for the last 8 months tbh
Ok my personal take on this war is:
I do not judge. I don’t what I would I do in their situation.
I do not support the way they handle the war, especially since they have shown that they could handle it better.
In this specific case we are taking about this is sth. You should not do. However there were no war where not sth. similar happened. When people fight to the death the worst in them begin to surface.
They did violate orders. They were ordered to not get caught.
“Please only torture innocent people whom you hate because of the location of their birth outside of the view of cameras.”
Guys guys guys calm down, they were just driving him to the hospital and they had no room left in the car for him to lay down.
/s
modern day SS
Most moral army in the world, guys.
They really care about (terrorizing) civilians
I wonder if the actual order is “don’t bring in wounded Palestinians, just shoot them and drop them by the wayside”.
The orders must have been kill on sight.
My final comment is agnostic to all the liberal and delusional fuckwads. This war is real. And terrorism must be defeated. Take up arms and fight. Look around you. The west has been brainwashed by the media, but they don’t live your life. You alone hold the power.
do you defeat terrorism by terrorizing an entire group of people into becoming terrorists themselves? Is that how you defeat terrorism? you fucking clown?
This is the West Bank where there is currently not a war going on, ya ding dong.
It’s just a special operation. Nothing to see there.
And terrorism must be defeated.
I agree. Israel must be stopped.
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