Yes the fuck I do. Adobe is basically the only software I use other than PC gaming.
I would run it in a VM
My condolences.
Eh, I keep a Windows 10 machine because Linux won’t run Reason even in wine. Everything else gets done on my laptop running Mint. Adobe does things that aren’t easily replaced. No point in shaming folks for the tools they use.
Shame Adobe for their lack of support instead. There’s still shame to be had, even if it isn’t yours.
Linux support is a magnitude harder than Windows/Mac. Even Linus himself complained about that multiple times. If the Linux crowd wants to become serious about the desktop, then everything should be standardized. Userland, boot, APIs, everything. It shouldn’t matter which distro the user is running, I should be able to compile once and run my app everywhere.
This I can get behind.
Same. They really have you over a barrel if you’re a professional.
It was one of the most pirated software back in the day, ridiculous pricing because of that barrel.
I use windows on one of my computers just in case some friend wants to play some invasive anti-cheat game…
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From my experience in Linux:
- Many pirated games installer doesn’t work under wine (like from xatab, RG Mechanic, Razor, etc) unless you download pre-installed games like from IGG Games or you just download pirated gog games
- Buggy glitching games work under wine (i don’t know why that happened)
- Many mod organizer & tools (MO, VORTEX, NMM, etc) doesn’t work unless you download old version or download some sketchy dll files from sketchy website to make those programs works well
- Sometimes after running games under wine my system crashes like unable to restart/shutdown or failed to open some programs like dolphin, terminal, etc (maybe bc my system running on wayland)
- No Photoshop, After Effects, or Microsoft Office (yes…i know linux has similar programs but those suck & my workplace has standard)
- Hard to fine tuning some apps unless you wanna do some dirty work in YAML or XML or CONF files
Can you explain why MS office alternatives like libreoffice suck?
I think it comes down to 2 main reasons, and some members of the libreoffice suite definitely do a better job than others.
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Comparability with MS Office, it’s really difficult to use these programs when you can’t reliably collaborate with people using the de-facto standard office software. Impress is exceptionally bad at this.
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User interface clunkines, the ribbon ui Microsoft uses in modern office versions is really nice, and makes finding the actions you need really easy. This is coming from someone who used office 03 and 07, it’s not just a learning thing, it’s a better design.
These issues are definitely a bigger deal on some parts of the suite than others. I’ve found Calc to be a solid replacement for Excel, but when I’m making spreadsheets I’m not fiddling with complex formatting at all. Impress is on the opposite end of the spectrum. It has horrible comparability with PowerPoint, and I need to get things looking just right when I make a presentation. It’s difficult to find even basic formatting options. I could probably solve the usability issues by reading a few tutorials, but the comparability issues hold me back from putting the time in, since I have no idea how a presentation will look when someone loads it in PowerPoint anyway.
you mean this
look better than this??
I dont know but i like libreoffice better in terms of ui.
But now I think I understood the formatting issue in calc tho. i dont know how excel handles this
playing around with Impress i can get pretty good slides without any issues(yet). I think your problem is only with portability. I guess that will remain unsolved for a long time.
edit :
So yeah now I dont see the formatting problem, can you elaborate on that?(what other formatting issue you faced?)
Yes the PowerPoint ui is much better. It takes more space but it’s much easier to find features you might not use as frequently.
I haven’t done much switching between calc and excel. Formatting issues come up when making or editing a document in libreoffice and opening it in MS office. Especially with impress, the position and sizes of objects will be very different between the two programs. This makes opening a presentation from impress with PowerPoint on a different computer impractical.
I like Libreoffice ui better. There are different ui modes too if you want to experiment. I selected tabbed compact since I like compact UI, there are other modes which takes more space and have more features visible probably. Anyway UI might be about preferences but at least there are different UI modes. If you hate all of them, its okay.
Almost all your problems sounds like problems when mixing MS office. Do you face other problems that is not a compatibility issue with MS?
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Vortex works quite well for me, the only game that is not working correctly is BG3 because of the third party tool to mod the game requires .NET 8 and even if I install it with ProtonTricks/WineTricks the tool doesn’t recognize it. With the game receiving official mod support I think the issue will be fixed.
You’ve just said your 5 biggest problems with Linux are things that Microsoft did.
Microsoft made mod organizers not work?
It does though
Vortex is written in .Net, so, yeah.
Mod organizer 2 leastest exe work with wine (I used Lutris) I have yet to find a games installers that didn’t work with wine (I download my games from fit girl repacks)
Fitgirl installers just crash on me 🤷♂️
Weird, what distro are you using?
It not working on certain distros is yet an other point of pain for Linux
Yeah I guess that’s XD, maybe if you skilled enough you might be able to make everything work on any distro
My solution to #1 is installing it in a VM and copying the installed game over. It works, but quite annoying
Xatab’s work fine. I only had one pirate installer in hundreds of games that i couldn’t get to work. You sometimes need vcrun (newest is vcrun2022) from winetricks to get it working.
Mod organizers usually have a linux version or at least work in wine. What hurts is wabbajack hasn’t and doesn’t work.
Edit: nevermind. The one that didn’t work at all was the installer of ‘Network Addon Mod’ for SimCity4k.
Mate you can’t tune apps on windows at all. Most of those things actually work on Linux. You just exposing yourself
The first one I’ve never encountered, but I also never heard about those (only razor). Fit girl always works (the one with Amelie). I’ve tried others and also worked.
It could be those installers have dependencies that are not in your base bottle?
I think most of the complaints are that Microsoft Office doesn’t work. Which is true. The web version of Microsoft Office is honestly kinda terrible.
And no, people don’t want to use a product that does the same thing as Microsoft Office, they want to use a product called “Microsoft Office”. No, it’s not logical, and doesn’t make any sense at all but it’s how people are.
The only sense it makes is that M$ hasn’t followed the spec, and so things done in office display fine I’m say libreOffice, but not the other way around. So if you’re company is willing to transition, but everyone you deal with outside the company is still on Office, there’s a bit of a communication issue. That’s M$'s biggest strength, homogenous work environments.
You spelt monopoly wrong.
There shouldn’t even be word processor documents between companies. PDF is the file type for maintaining consistency of page formatting!
Should be and is in fact? Two veeeerrrry different things
Microsoft’s biggest strength is the Active Directory. Linux user and computer management is a huge PITA.
For Linux user management you can just use an LDAP solution like FreeIPA. You can even tailor sudoer rules based on security groups, so like you can allow someone to reboot the server but not actually make configuration changes to system config files and what-not. It’ll also handle CA and PKI with smart card support and of course DNS. It has a web interface as well.
I’ve done workstation maintenance in a previous job. Every part of the Linux centralized management was worse than Windows. We did it to support our coworker’s wishes, but SSSD constantly shits the bed, and having to code (config management) to write some pretty simple rules like default printers is super annoying compared to the Active Directory built ins.
I don’t know, I like using Fleet Commander with FreeIPA (where it stores the profile). You just spin up the template VM for whatever like-clients on the network you want to make default profiles for and make the changes, shut it down, checkbox the changes (the configurations and stuff) that you approve and let it apply the profiles across the network. Easier than depending on Puppet or Ansible playbooks IMO.
I have had issues with SSSD as well though and it had to do with Kerberos tickets but I can’t remember what I did to fix it. We’d have to manually use kinit on each machine when it’d basically fall off the realm. I want to say it was a DNS issue but it was so long ago, I just don’t remember.
We used to use Centrify for Linux and Solaris and it was easy using Access Manager to basically handle AD users and computers with Active Directory and had some GPO support (you could push config writes with GPOs for example and organize it all via OUs for example) but it would get a little wonky between trusts in the forest sometimes (in regards to zone management in Centrify) and they kept getting more expensive. Maybe they’ve fixed that stuff now but it was really simple to use and you could basically manage a lot through the AD and create group profiles in the Access Manager. I think the last straw was wanting to force us to license the entire suite regardless of whether we were using it or not. Personally, I never liked it because it wouldn’t use SSSD or kclient/nsswitch and if some service tried to join the realm/domain, it’d join using the same computer accounts and basically break the account since Centrify used its own client, so you’d specifically need to join the computer accounts via Centrify as a different name. It wasn’t detrimental or anything – just annoying that it was a problem at all. Also, sometimes the user cache database saved in specific users’ appdata that use Access Manager would corrupt from time to time and you’d need to manually delete it to use Access Manager. I’d hope they fixed that by now too though.
All and all, I’m not saying Active Directory isn’t an excellent product because it is and I’m not saying that there is a 1:1 solution for Linux but I’m saying it that in my experience it isn’t terrible either with FreeIPA and products you can use with it. I definitely hated other 389 solutions prior to FreeIPA though.
AD is easy top set up in Linux with a samba4 docker container. For instance: https://github.com/Fmstrat/samba-domain. Even HSS a script to easily join debian based machines.
That’s why my business only uses pure, crisp .txt files. If I can’t open it in notepad, I don’t want it!
I have unironically been preaching the powers of text and JSON, and have some converts. Universal compatibility is great.
Json is a garbage format for anything that’s meant to ever be touched by a human. At least use yaml or json5.
In the first paragraph of JSON5’s site:
It is not intended to be used for machine-to-machine communication.
YAML is not supported by a lot of enterprise software (example: Azure pipelines supports it but Power Automate does not). JSON, XML, CSV, or failing that Text are the safe bets. We use a few options for reading or building presentation layers quickly. Ultimately the idea is to move data around in a way that is friendly to our current and future applications.
It’s absolutely trivial to convert either format to json if necessary. The real killer for me with json is the lack of comments. Human-maintained files absolutely need comments.
Fuck it! I’m in!
With markdown or asciidoctor or restext or … you get both worlds.
This needs to become illegal and bear a bankruptcy inducing fine if repeatedly done.
We need to get rid of these monopolists
Pretty sure it is “illegal” I mean didn’t they get dragged through court in what the 90s 00s? Specifically for anti-competative monopolistic actions. Illegal was in quotes there because nothing really changed.
They’re a feature of the economic system, not a bug. We don’t have a good track record working against it.
I agree with your second sentence. Thats what we need to change.
So use OnlyOffice instead of LibreOffice
I installed a Windows 11 update. Office no longer worked. Office refused to re-install despite trying a huge number of things. It literally refuses to install. Tried their help tool which even does removal of old references in the system. Failed 5 times.
Tried using the web version for a simple thing. First localization struggle which doesn’t carry across sessions. Excel column formatted to number. Then to currency. Then to general. Autosum shows #Div!0 still. Tried seeing if the AI could help. Have to re-login. (Using Mozilla this whole time btw). After re-login, ai tool says stop using private mode. I’m not…
Literally trying to do the simplest autosum on about 25 lines and it can’t function.
Installed LibreOffice. No problem with ‘Excel’.
I’m really not exaggerating. I saw online a similar issue and the guy had to reinstall the entire OS to get office to work again 🤨
I’m really not exaggerating. I saw online a similar issue and the guy had to reinstall the entire OS to get office to work again
That’s windows for you, have a major issue? Reinstall the OS. Been using the computer for to long? Reinstall the OS
Micro$oft office is being teached in college for my friend and I, having libreoffice, tried doing the exact same thing in it. Not only everything was possible, but also its more convenient in LibreOffice. There are many annoyances in m$ office like auto formatting which cannot be disabled and auto prediction which fills in the details of next cited person from previous (like hell what, how should two people must have same bio?) and now you have to edit all that out by replacing the autofilled ones. LibreOffice on the other hand has much better UX
(Talking about Excel vs Calc and also Word vs Writer)
I mean maybe that specific advanced feature is not in libreoffice, but there are much more good things in it that is worth considering using it.
I use libreoffice and onlyoffice daily for academic works, with a few works published out there. I even use more features than the average office user, and I have to listen to people claiming that they can’t use any of those, because they’re inferior. I even have to listen to people saying that libreoffice isn’t suited for doing any SERIOUS WORK, and I’m like “What? My work isn’t serious?”.
But tne other user got a point. People want to see the name and the ms office logo. They will reject any alternative just because is isn’t ms office, no matter how good and sufficient they are.
Edit the menu entry?
My dad initially wanted his old Norton Antivirus, so i made an internet shortcut with the logo and name, to a webpage explaining why antivirus sucks.
Office 2016 works, there is office online and LibreOffice. What now?
Our company has bought into the whole onedrive/teams/ Microsoft family.
They’ll do what the IT guy says but that first time copilot popped up grrr
At least one good thing that Google has done is that Docs/Slides work on browsers and (where I live) most people use that now.
Google is not really much better than MS. It still leaves you under the yoke of big tech. “Meet the new boss, the same as the old boss”.
Not great if you are also trying to de-Google, though.
If the alternative is Microsoft, you’re between a rock and another rock that used to claim not being evil.
Libreoffice all the way. Most users don’t need more than that.
I have seriously considered trying to install Microsoft Office 2024 (aka OnlyOffice) for a family member to see if they even notice.
OnlyOffice is pretty nice for homegamers I think. I just don’t need or want a full up heavyweight office suite anymore. And I’ve gotten to the point where I remove LibreOffice and replace it with OnlyOffice every time.
So do it, just do it. You know you want to…
Oh I run OnlyOffice locally and in NextCloud already ;) So it would only be for someone who lives in another state, simply to see the reaction.
I would do it for the reaction. I doubt they would complain very much at all.
You know, i made my dad try OnlyOffice and he loved it except for the fact that not all shortcuts worked. Years of experience with excel shortcuts didn’t translate in exactly the way he wanted. Which makes sense ig but i think that would give it away
Ironically, Microsoft has retired the “Microsoft Office” name.
If only libreoffice had an app for mobile platforms…
Being unable to open the documents I wrote on my computer without using some kind of crappy ad filled third-party app is annoying.
Try Collabora Office!
Thanks!
Libre Office has a mobile app. The one called LibreOffice viewer is only a file viewer but works perfectly if you only look at documents, it is developed by the same foundation that develops LibreOffice. If you want to edit, Collabora is the name of the app, it is based on LibreOffice and is officially approved by The Document Foundation. It is developed by one of their certified collaborators. Both are available on Android and iOS.
Thank you!
Have you tried excel ? Its WAY AHEAD of any excel like thing available as office in wild. Just example vlookup , Power tables , vba are no whwre near in any of the products.
You’re giving me VBA flashbacks. The worst language I’ve ever programmed in.
The funniest thing is, people say Linux is not ready, cause [insert feature] doesn’t work. The problem is said feature doesn’t work on Windows either.
For example pausing/resuming playback across multiple appliacations using media keys. It’s not perfect on Linux (not every app uses MPRIS), but it’s not great on Winodws either
It works way better on Linux. I especially like the gnome screenshot tool
Try flameshot or spectacle, way better.
Hell tbh I never use my pause/resume button, I just hit “p.” I <3 VLC
Yeah, but that works on VLC only and it has to be focused. With MPRIS you can eg. pause a song playing in mpd, while having VLC focused
My personal grievances are using a laptop with ubuntu. No wireless casting of display to tv, no good smart phone as a mouse/keyboard control, the screen is sometimes sideways for no reason.
But Linux and stuff is interesting still. I’m just not ready for it as a daily driver.
The day MS Office comes to linux (never?) normal people will definitely start using it (or their employers will force them to use it at work).
Hasn’t Office worked under Wine since forever?
(And if not, what are the show stoppers?)
Newest versions don’t work very well. The only over that worked consistently got me read 2010.
I think part of the issue is that it’s quite integrated with the system and that makes it harder. Crossover lists 2013 as working, but 2021 as not even installing
2010 is out of support
Also if you are talking about a business they are never going to use Wine. A Windows VM maybe but not wine.
They will move the goal post and complain about something else Linux does or doesn’t do.
Unpopular opinion: Microsoft Office suite sucks in UI and UX. LibreOffice is far superior to it.
I second you brother. I can’t find shit in office suit, it’s like they hide things on porpoise.
Gonna say I hated my experience with some of the LibreOffice apps, especially Impress. PowerPoint (and for that matter, Onlyoffice) is far superior in terms of layout.
Counter point: people who like a office suite like it because they know how to use it
Is fractional scaling still ass in Linux? I tried manjaro, elementary os, and Linux Mint a couple of years ago and that bugged me the most.
I can forgive the lack of support. That comes with time and adoption.
What makes it bad for me is how buggy every single DE is.
Have you tried Xfce? Usually it’s pretty damn stable and bug-free in my experience (outside of one time I found a bug which had a perfect workaround anyway) in my past 7 years of using it.
Please tell that’s pronounced as X-Face.
It is now
I have yes.
It depends on what you are using. For me Fedora and Linux Mint are stable.
It does not depend on what you’re using. They’re all buggy.
Then don’t use it I guess
Give examples or get out
Do you want a link to a bugtracker or what.
Nah, I wanna hear about bugs that have affected you that you can confirm are bugs :-)
Plasma 6 is pretty OK so far. I’m using it every day.
On my laptop though haven’t used it much on full desktop.
Yup, Plasma 6 has been pretty great. Had to fix a couple of issues with Nvidia but it’s been incredibly smooth.
Not all games with anti cheat work on Linux.
Go comolain to the developer of those games, they run on Linux. The devs don’t want to enable it. Dunno why you’d give money to people who don’t care about you
Not all games with
anti cheatkernel level spyware work on Linux.ftfy
Nobody uses Gimp anymore?
HDR? Who the fuck cares?
Every cinephile and most gamers
Yep I don’t even play that many games but I watch a lot of movies/TV. HDR works great in mpv. Couple of tweaks in your mpv.conf and you’re off to the races.
HDR is actually pretty cool, at least when you got a proper HDR display such as an OLED screen
Does mint have trial/dual boot easy install like Ubuntu?
Who doesn’t use HDR, lol?
