• Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    I think that math is way off. We didn’t have all these polluting machines in the 1800s, yet the 1800s were warmer than the 1700s. We didn’t start using cars until the early 1900s. Same with planes, and it wouldn’t be until the 1930s that we got jet engines that pollute in the way you think of today.

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      5 months ago

      Just watch that xkcd graphic my dude. Somebody else already linked it. It makes the issue very clear and is quite scientifically based.

      Yes, everything you said is factually true. That doesn’t mean your interpreting it all correctly. We not just accelerated it, we where strolling along the path of planetary heating and then decided to step aboard the Starship Enterprise and screamed: “MR SULU WARP FACTOR NINE, STAT!”

      We’re fucking with systems (planetary weather patterns) we can’t comprehend. And to solve it we again fuck with that system but now not by adding energy (heat) but by removing energy from it (wind, radiation)

      I think both will have issues. But for now removing lots and lots of energy from the system will greatly benefit us.

      In the end it will always come down to population control or going interplanetary as a species.

      More people on this planet, in this system will always mean more heat. Remove the excess from the system and it will find its equilibrium again.

      But… Removing the excess sounds nice but isn’t. Especially when you are deemed to be the excessive one.

      You want to know where global warming can lead to? Look no further then Venus.

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        5 months ago

        The comic was over 22,000 years, and the tempature got cooler over time. Which right off the bat isn’t true.

        But also, I’m talking about over billions if not trillions of years.

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          5 months ago

          Billions of years ago there was no multi-cellular life.
          Trillions of years ago there was no universe.
          And it just doesn’t matter how hot it was in the distant past. Our modern civilization with everything we now depend on (agriculture, technology and so on) was built in the last couple hundred to thousand years where the climate wasn’t all that different from the 1800’s. The issue is that it’s now changing too fast for us to adapt.

          If you’re callous, you don’t have to give a fuck about the plants or the wildlife, fuck what’s “natural”, go ahead and kill all polar bears and pandas! But global warming is going to cause famines and disasters for us that will force billions of people to migrate north, which will trigger an upheaval of all societies and a global war that could turn nuclear. Because the systems we have in place now aren’t designed for a hotter climate, and the crops we have now can’t handle it.

          How hot the dinosaurs had it doesn’t factor into it at all.