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I’ve seen this over and over in corporate environments.
Suit A has a terrible idea but enough fawning bootlickers to get the process moving.
Worker A, an employee, knows this is a terrible idea but doesn’t say anything because they wanna keep their job.
Contractor B, obv a contractor, is there to make money and hopefully turn their stint into something more, so they speak up. And get canned.
What is it about Suits that they can’t listen to literally anyone but their own echo chambers? Oh yeah, they’re angling to jump into a bigger echo chamber. The 1%.
I’m Worker A, and I speak up when I get asked to implement something terrible. Sometimes it works, but usually they don’t care. At least I don’t lose my job over it.
I can’t imagine working in a place where you have to be in fear of speaking the truth. I have never suffered negative consequences at any company I’ve worked at for pointing out why a terrible idea is terrible, but I’ve seen plenty of people who are afraid to speak up. It puzzles me.
Where I work, doing it won’t end up in being fired, but it would certainly prevent promotions and payrises.
there’s no 5 year plan, it’s 5 one year plans in a trench coat.
I’ve thought this ever since Windows 8 (and when I went from dual-boot to Linux only). In retrospect, at least Ballmer treated Windows like a PC operating system.
Ever since Nadella took over, it seems like MS is trying to turn Windows into ChromeOS but for Microsoft’s cloud services. Pretty sure they want PCs to be thin clients tied to subscriptions. No fucking thanks.
Windows 8! Haha! Ahh, I’d call it the “New Coke” of Windows but that probably wouldn’t help anyone who wasn’t there.
You know it’s bad when ballmer seems to be the rational person
Oh, absolutely lol. Definitely one of those cases where you didn’t know what you had until it’s gone.
The HIPAA concerns are very alarming. And I agree with the spirit if the article. However, I’m not sure the article is correct when it says Recall cannot be disabled. I’ve already seen other articles telling you how to turn it off. The fact that it’s opt-out and nit opt-in is a huge issue, though.
The problem with it isn’t that MS says it can be disabled, because like everything MS does it breaks its own rules constantly. I have worked in HIPAA environments and making systems block potential MS systems is a constant cat and mouse game only accomplished by firewall appliances that don’t have MS software in them
Who the fuck is making a Firewall appliance with windows software on it. Some *nix or BSD or custom bare metal kernel is what a firewall should be. You have to have very low level access to properly secure traffic on a network. Microsoft often breaks the OSINT Framework ffs, I’d never trust them as a firewall.
I guess you haven’t used Azure much?
Hopefully not
I’m referring to Fortigate inside of azure, basically it’s a Fortigate but it is a VM on the azure hosts in your virtual space inside the azure cloud. The MS global network that is the Azure cloud systems is pretty cool in lots of ways. Just MS is an evil empire and it sucks that they drive the world
Actually it is more than a local problem. Since Recall shipped with opt-out, means every computer will have this enabled. Even if you truned it off, the computer on the other end may still capture your data.
Say you said something here, regret about and delete it, but right before a user have Recall enabled see it and can just dig out your now deleted comment. Not good. This applies to HIPAA data or not.
This is essentailly a local search engine that index everything you see and others said in near real time, without repecting
robots.txt.Yes, that is also a big problem. In general you should be very aware in online meetings / screen sharing to be very cautious and deliberate with what you show. That problem has burned a streamer or two. :) Having a boring vanilla “work machine” for that sort of thing is always a good idea. Windows Recall definitely makes this problem worse! You could be doing 100% legit professional ‘work stuff’ and it could still grab things that it shouldn’t (HIPAA and many other potentially sensitive bits of corporate data).
If you disable it, make sure to check on it regularly, as MS loves to turn things back on “for you” after Windows updates run. I’ve already seen some sysadmins saying they will run a scheduled task to make sure it stays dead.
No Microsoft is not doing that. They are trying to be in front of the curve. If they succeed to integrate ai into the os and be the first, they will win.
Lol
That they want to commit suicide is more plausible?
I was laughing at the idea that this is cutting edge and their intentions are to break new ground. Vs what it is: a brazen attempt to invade the fuck out of privacy for monetary gain
This is objectively cutting edge as this is in development and no less than of a field in which the most money and effort is put right now. Really the definition of cutting edge. Their inventions will also objectively and very obviously break new ground as there is no os that would have ai so integrated. There is no privacy invasion, not sure what your are taking about as nothing would be shared with anyone.
I think you must be extremely confused. Except about the monetary gain, but I hope we don’t have to talk about why companies exist.
There is no privacy invasion, not sure what your are taking about as nothing would be shared with anyone.
This is based on the claim that MS has made that they won’t access the data (hilarious) and the assumption that no one is getting hacked.
You sound like a fanboy.
You are completely irrational. You can’t think straight. That’s why you think something is funny, but then 1.4 billion users will use it and like it and then you will like it too. It’s so childish.
I’m not a fanboy. I’ve been a hater for 30 years. And for 30 years I’ve been dreaming of an os that could understand what I want. One that would predict my actions, perhaps do them instead of me. It’s insane it took so much time.
And now, finally when we are getting closer, people like you, who have already shared everything on blogs, fb, twitter, ig, discord, and all the shitty services imaginable, are complaining that this is an invasion of privacy. Is just insane. It’s so insane that I acknowledged you enough to talk to you. Immediately when you will see the minimum practicality of this, you will use it and think nothing of how you wrote you laugh at me (although we both know what’s up, don’t we).
Anyway. Bye.
Great argument… if that’s what you call that.
A lot of people are leaving windows, and each new feature seems to add to that. I’ve been avoiding windows every chance I’ve had for about 25 years myself.
Stay mad.
Guess you never heard of Cortana…
Cortana was late to the market and it’s functionality lagged way behind it’s competitors.
my point is that they had already integrated ai into the OS
Cortana isn’t AI…
Is copilot?
Copilot is creating metadata from images that could be used in “AI” applications. Cortana is just an “assistant” It’s nowhere near “AI” status and Microsoft “AI” (actually LLM) product is not specifically named like Google Bard, or OpenAI’s ChatGPT, but is integrated into Copilot and Bing (not Cortana specifically).
If you want to call an LLM “AI”… cool, none of that is in Cortana anyway. And Cortana is actually been outright killed at this point IIRC… although I don’t follow it that deeply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortana_(virtual_assistant)
Nothing from 2009 is going to have 2022 technology in it.On August 11, 2023, Microsoft updated the Cortana app in Windows, announcing it was deprecated and can no longer be used.
Wow cortana. What a comparison!
No they’re simply trying to emulate Google and Facebook by becoming data gatherers and hoarders. They’ve been jealous of how much data other companies have gathered about people, and then realized they could easily do the same.
I think you might be bit underestimating how much data Microsoft actually already has. They have just being better of keeping it to them self. MS from these three is the only one who is not an ad company, so they don’t have to sell the data to 3rd parties to be profitable. They can just hoard the data, bit like Amazon+AWS.
No, it’s the opposite. Lack of innovation and failure to adapt to new technologies and new trends would be a way to commit suicide. Betteridge’s law applies here.
Recall specifically may be a misstep in its current form. But the overall drive to come up with applications for AI is not. it’s a reasonable strategy. You can’t call the whole thing a failure because one product has problems. Microsoft didn’t curl up and die after Windows ME, to use a more extreme example.
The new Recall feature they’re trying to push is creepy as fuck. No thanks.
Glad I moved to linux a few years ago so I don’t have to worry about any of this trash.
There is no way this Recall feature doesn’t backfire or gets breached.
If couple reports are true, it is already breached and can be mined for info.
They need to stop polishing a turd. It was a great OS when it was windows 98, but at this point they’ve just tried to shove so much iOS and Linux into it that it’s a shadow of its former self.
They need a shadow team to make a new product that isn’t windows and is basically just a kde Linux distro.
Ehhh, Win98 had serious issues but your argument would be mostly true for Windows 7 after it had been out for several years.
The problem with big companies like Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, etc is that once all the smart & creative people have gone, all you have left are the “line must always go up” business idiots, who have no idea what their company even does or how to fix it.
CoPilot / Recall is exactly the kind of End-stage, “let’s screw our customers to death” idea the CEOs come up with before just their company implodes. Seriously. No one at Microsoft has thought this through beyond “data mining our customers.”
How are other governments going to react to this? Will they trust their nation’s secrets to an OS with such a blatant backdoor built into it? How does this “feature” work with search warrant requests? How secure can a database connected to an always-on Internet connection possibly be?
Corporations must generate growth to please their investors no matter what. If the CEO doesn’t do it the board members will replace him with someone who will.
Microsoft cannot significantly generate growth by increasing their user base by making a more attractive product anymore. They have maxed out their share of the market. So they must pursue other ways to generate “growth”, like data mining their customers to generate an additional source of income.
In this kind of situation you will see all sorts undesirable behaviors emerge from corporations like that, like lowering the quality of their products or cutting down on their workforce to “reduce cost” event though they are already turning a profit.
We will see this shit happen over and over again until we come up with a solution to this “infinite growth” problem.
until we come up with a solution to this “infinite growth” problem.
This is why cancer research is so important. But for now, we can try the old standbys of surgical removal and full-system poison.
I’ve been a user since Dos 5.0 and Windows 3.0.
Today I mostly use Linux Mint on my dual boot laptops and need to convert my main PC over to dual boot Mint next. I rarely boot into windows at home and if it wasn’t for proprietary software at work running only on Windows I would have been done sooner.
I was mostly able to go from XP to 7 and avoided Vista and 8 altogether. Windows 10 was sort of ok with the ability to go back to a Windows 7 control panel when needed but it always felt half baked and unfinished to me.
I’ve just not been interested in 11 at all and the tidbits I’m hearing about Co-pilot reminds me of not only Clipit but the forcing of IE/ Edge constantly on user’s especially after every larger update but to mention resetting the default PDF reader to edge. In a work environment of 20 plus shop PC’s I was managing for low tech skill employees it was a pain in the ass chasing down the changes that were not made on my behalf.
What will be the Co-pilot’s flavor of this new round of BS from Microsoft? The forcing of a cloud account is another headache I don’t want to deal with either.
I will say Mint just mostly does what I need for my web browsing and general productivity needs without the constant game of trying to keep it the way I want it versus what MS wants for me with every update.
I’m at the stage of get off my lawn and screaming at a cloud in the sky next. That cloud is MS these days when adding in the annoyances of their Android keyboard *Swiftkey injecting Co-pilot and Bing into my searches. I’ve not played in Office 365 for a bit now but I can only imagine it’s just as bad now.
I feel like the headline and all these comments have WAAAAAYYYYY too much faith in the technical savvy and/or privacy concerns of the average pc user. They are not committing suicide. They know that a very small minority will be upset by recall and AI but the vast majority don’t know enough to care and definitely won’t take the time to learn about why they should care.
They are not committing suicide. They know that a very small minority will be upset by recall and AI but the vast majority don’t
run IT for big companies.
The small minority are those people. I do IT consulting and have contracts with several companies… We’re road-mapped to remove windows from everything possible, we deal in PII and cannot risk any facet of microsoft’s nonsense to collect it. And windows has a history of turning shit back on after being explicitly disabled. The business market is much larger than the general consumer market. And new workers who grow up in environments like businesses that work in Linux, will likely have had chromebooks in school. Meaning that Windows will not be defacto in those people’s lives at all. This is shooting themselves in the foot (or possibly face) indeed.
We’re road-mapped to remove windows from everything possible, we deal in PII and cannot risk any facet of microsoft’s nonsense to collect it.
Hey it only took til 2024 to get it on the roadmap! Hopefully complete by . . . 202. . . 7?
Hey it only took til 2024 to get it on the roadmap! Hopefully complete by . . . 202. . . 7?
By end of year outside of a handful of systems that are critical and cannot be replaced (My last count was literally a dozen). I spent a good chunk of last year ripping vmware and windows out of a lot of systems. I got halted this year because of SOC2 audits though… Gotta get back on the kill M$ train.
(Yay proxmox and whatever flavor of linux was easiest to support for a function [typically debian, sometimes alpine])
I work in healthcare IT. EHR clients and other necessary software that hold PHI (protected/private health information) run only on Windows. Recall seems to require a PC with a discrete 40 TOPs NPU so none of the current workstations. There is an opt-out already so I’m sure, though not positive, it can be turned off with a group policy.
I, optimistically, think this is a moot point for businesses. The goal is to get consumer data to sell not lose business purchases.
Cynically, I think it will be forced on consumers with, eventually, no option to turn it off.
I work in healthcare IT. EHR clients […] run only on Windows.
OpenEMR doesn’t. I also do some work in healthcare too for a small office. (Though admittedly not a lot at all). Paying a license (for support) to an opensource works for my client. It’s opensource so I know it’s not going away… and openemr is completely browser based as far as client goes.
Getting locked into these bullshit softwares is half the battle though when it comes to corporate shenanigans.
Edit:
I, optimistically, think this is a moot point for businesses. The goal is to get consumer data to sell not lose business purchases.
I dunno… Some of this shit is leaking into the business/server side. More and more stuff appears that nobody asked for.
A massive breach on the scale that recall facilitates tends to change such things.
Our previous experiences with companies being hacked and leaking personal information on the “dark web” with little consequence to the bottom line anecdotally proves otherwise.
Sometimes.
I do think there’s a big shift of business to Apple for this reason. In the cybersecurity world Windows is - no exaggeration - the reason for that industry’s existence.
They really are screwing it up. I’ve long been a proponent of dual booting. Yes I spend 99% of my time in linux, but I’ve always kept a windows drive going for the things that I’m just too lazy to get working. RGB lights, nicehash miner, exact audio copy, my aio cooler’s nzxt software for its blingy screen, the very off chance game that’s got a couple of glitches.
But like now, I don’t even want that OS on my PC. Even sitting on a drive that I hardly ever boot from. I view my password vault and it takes a screenshot of my credentials? Does it grab my bitcoin wallet too? At what point does windows 11 start scanning my local files simply because I booted the OS? When does it start scanning my other drives and OSs?
They just can’t be trusted anymore. And the fact that I’m actively solving the above mentioned pains in Linux and actively working to deleting the dual boot win11 os…. Well… when lazy people start doing work against you - you’ve screwed yourself.
