• Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    I’m sorry, are you comparing Spain to a religious crusade when you’re literally in the middle of genociding an ethnicity and their religion? You’re fucking insane Israel.

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      I think they might be remembering that time Spain evicted all the Jews?

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    No one expects a state official to mention the fucking Inquisition to defend their own crimes against humanity.

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      Ikr! Pretty sure its a reference to the Spanish Inquisition’s expulsion of Jewish people in the 1490s.

      In other words it’s not just super random whataboutism, it’s also a dogwhistle to the “chosen people versus antisemitic rest of the world” narrative that Netanyahu et al use to drum up support from their base.

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        Israel’s cries of victimhood were already starting to wear thin when it was focused on the Holocaust. Yes, it was a terrible tragedy, but it’s 80 years ago at this point - very, very few people are left that were directly involved and the circumstances have changed significantly since then. But going back over five hundred years to try to find “gotchas” is just sad and counterproductive.

        People are suffering right now and being persecuted right now, and it has nothing to do with the Inquisition or the Nazis.

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        Funny. The Inquisition came after the Muslim rulers were driven out of Spain. Before there was a vibrant Jewish life in southern Spain.

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        It’s even more ironic when you know that the PSOE, the current ruling party in Spain, voted in favor of granting Spanish nationality to the descendants of the Sephardic Jews who were expelled by the Inquisition 5 centuries ago and applied for it.

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    This isn’t the funniest bit so far, the funniest bit is that Netanyahu’s is now meeting with Spain’s far-right, the party that attracts real antisemites. Of course, they are truly anti-semitic, as in hating anything recognizabl brown enough and not just colozioniolists changing names from Mileikowsky to Netanyahu, so I’m sure they would love a repeat of the Haavara Agreement anyway with a leader they clearly share a lot of values with.

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      In Spain antisemitism is rampant left and right, that’s why the government (Socialist Party) has done this. Make no mistake, this is not solidarity or justice or shit, just a smoke screen so their voters forget about the cost of living, housing, unemployment… and all the hard-to-solve pressing issues they don’t want to do anything about.

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        But … they do want you to think about it. Spanish politicians talk about that stuff all the time and some party platforms run on it. Spanish Congress is literally voting on housing laws as you comment and there’s heated debate between coalition members on unemployment measures as well. Are you sure they are the ones throwing smoke screens or could the source be closer to home?

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          Oh they’re talking aren’t they? Of course they are, that’s the only thing they do: bla bla bla and then nothing

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            I mean, it sounds like you are informed, so you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority, so they have to talk.

            The opposition parties don’t mind DoS’ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don’t want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.

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              it sounds like you are informed

              I try to avoid the news as much as I can, for my mental health’s sake, but something permeates

              you should know that the current government is leading only through a coalition of different parties that are barely a majority

              That’s how it usually goes in Spain

              The opposition parties don’t mind DoS’ing Spain (just look at the expired Supreme Court that has still to be renewed) just to create unrest. The only opposition who tags along are those that don’t want to see society dragged along for political maneuvering.

              And somehow when the current opposition has been the ruling party they could do all kind of things, fascist things that fucked us all over but they were perfectly able to do as they pleased, but the “left” (this “Socialist” party is a monarchist party!) seems unable to even undo a little of the damage. You do sound well informed, so before you mention the work reform, which was surprisingly good, that I have the unshakable feeling was a mistake on their part. It was meant to NOT pass, but this one fash fucked up his vote and it went through. I don’t think the psoe (and maybe podemos, who knows) wanted that reform, they just thought it would be good pr.

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    Dude speaks as if Israel and Palestine have spent the past 5 decades being The Near Eastern equivalent of Sweden and Denmark, rather than locked in a neverending vendetta that makes beefing between The Crips and The Bloods seem like playground scraping, by comparison

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    Weird just a few days earlier they said Spain should look to the time of Muslim rule in southern Spain for atrocities against Jews. Which there weren’t Jewish people and culture prospered under the Muslim rule and then got pogromed when the Christians took back over. Now they refer to exactly that.

    It is weird that Israel is hellbent not only on revisionism for its own history, but other peoples history too. Or rather it is pretty straight forward as Israel is a fascist colonial entity and shares its interest in revisionism with the Nazis and other colonial genociders.

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      and other colonial genociders.

      Strange how no one ever seems to mention the United States when talking about colonial genociders considering it’s the OG and role model for that.

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        lol there were plenty of colonialist genociders before the US. The British empire, the Roman Empire, etc.

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          Were there any that were as WILDLY SUCCESSFUL in their complete genocide of the aboriginal population?

          One has to wonder.

          Segregation era US was the literal inspiration for the Nazi regime, and even they thought the “one drop rule” was too extreme.

          The United States was too extreme in its racism for Nazi Germany.

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            You complete lack of knowledge of the British empire is hilarious in the context of a discussion on colonialism.

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              Gosh! I hadn’t considered that!!!

              How fucking stupid are you?

              Edit:

              Can you name the largest British Colony in the Western Hemisphere and what became of it?

              You absolute fucking nonce.

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                the United States when talking about colonial genociders considering it’s the OG

                The OG huh?

                What’s OG mean you inveterate cunt?

                What came before the US you dense motherfucker?

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          Are you serious?

          Like really?

          Did you learn any history at all?

          Here’s a hint, was anyone already living there before it was “the US”?

          Edit: bonus question

          What happened to them? Hmmmmmmm

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            The US isn’t the original coloniser. Ghengis Khan did a bloody good job 900 years ago. Alexander the Great was Over 2000 years ago. The US is just shy of 250 years old. So how the fuck is the US the OG (Original gangster)…

            I guess your history knowledge is pretty pethetic… Either that or you don’t know what the terms you’re using means

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              You clearly don’t know shit about your own dick.

              DO YOU KNOW WHAT GENOCIDE IS YOU FUCKING MORON?

              DO YOU?

              GO ASK THE FUCKING NAVAJO

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                Navajo weren’t the original genocide, it also wasn’t one of the biggest, History doesn’t begin when the US was founded.

                Albigensian Crusade (Cathar genocide) where they killed 1 000 000 people was back in the year 1209, it is one of the first documented genocides.

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                  OG DOESN’T MEAN THE FIRST IN RECORDED HISTORY YOU FUCKING TWAT.

                  Gosh I just love how much you ghouls love to downplay the AMERICAN GENOCIDE

                  hypocrite cunts.

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                Enraging yourself because you don’t have the mental capacity is hilarious. History didn’t start 250 years ago with the US. If you had a proper well-rounded education you might understand that.

                I suggest you go read a book within your ability. Try “Spot the dog goes to school”. It.might be a little advanced for you but you can lift the flaps.

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                  I just LOVE how no one wants to talk about the AMERICAN GENOCIDE

                  just saying “it wasn’t the first you’re dumb lolol”

                  Fucking ghouls.

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      Which there weren’t Jewish people and culture prospered under the Muslim rule and then got pogromed when the Christians took back over.

      It’s incredibly difficult to overstate how damn correct you are.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

      7-8 centuries of Muslim rule, and Jews become renowned as artisans and philosophers.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_Jews_from_Spain

      The Catholic kings finish conquering the last bastion of Muslims in Iberia, and immediately next they tell all Muslims and Jews to either convert to Christianity or to flee the peninsula, because they aren’t going to like what’s planned for them next. A very different ruler in Europe welcomed them, however:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ottoman_Empire

      Basically, the Turks managed to help Constantinople regain some of the economic importance it had gained during the centuries of collapse of the Byzantine Empire because they welcomed Jewish artisans that had been kicked out of Iberia.

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    Did Spain ask Palestine if they want to be a state? Who are the leaders of Palestine that will interact with Spain?

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      I’m pretty sure the entire argument since 1948 has been that they want to be a state.

      I’m pretty sure it’s literally in the idea of a two state solution.

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    that’s right moron, bring up something from hundreds of years ago so as to remove any doubt you weren’t really living here in the real world, now, with the rest of us, as we try to stop our murderous governments from carrying out agendas nobody actually wants except sociopaths and murderous cowards like you

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    Israel is the last country one would think that would do things like this to other people, considering their history. Its like they want to create validation for bad things people have said about them. Though i hope its same situation as in russia, regular people dont want to do those things but are so apathetic and fear their leaders so much they dont dare to rise up. Though in this situation they are likely also so well misled and manipulated they think they are doing the “right thing”. Eitherway, current israeli leadership should just go, like previous german leadership. I really dont want to think majority of their country supports this.

    This shit will likely be one of the catalysts for the next world war, at least it feels that way.

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      This shit will likely be one of the catalysts for the next world war, at least it feels that way.

      “One of the precursors to world war one was the rise of nationalism”

      Loos around nervously

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      Unfortunately, many, many Israelis, even if not the majority, rabidly support what is happening. I can’t remember the exact numbers from the last poll about it, but there is a reason bibi is doing this to maintain power. It absolutely works for a significant portion of his constituency.

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      Israel is the last country one would think that would do things like this to other people, considering their history.

      Jewish people maybe, but Israel is another story. They’ve been doing exactly this their entire history. From the Nakba of '48 to the invasion of Lebanon in 2018, the Israelis have a long and consistent record of picking fights with their neighbors and using centuries-old atrocities to justify their modern day brutality.

      From sterilizing Ethiopian Jews to toppling the Nasser government over the Suez Crisis to conducting continent-wide arms deals for dictators stretching from South Africa to Central Asia, these are bad dudes and always have been.

      current israeli leadership should just go, like previous german leadership

      Funny thing about the previous German Leadership…

      Germany’s post-World War II government was full of Nazis: A new study says that half of all senior officials in Germany’s Justice Ministry in the 1950s and 1960s were former Nazis.

      The study, known as the Rosenberg project, examined previously classified documents to gain insight into the era between 1950 and 1973. Researchers found that some 77 percent of senior officials in the Justice Ministry had once identified as Nazis, a portion higher than during the Third Reich, the period between 1933 and 1945 when Adolf Hitler controlled Germany, and much higher than researchers expected.

      The group included Nazi-era prosecutor Eduard Dreher, a man who sought the death penalty for petty criminals, and Max Merten, who played a role in deporting Jews from Greece.

      While US authorities sought justice by putting 16 lawyers and jurists who played a role in the Nazi regime on trial in 1947, Germany tried one lone prosecutor after establishing the West German Federal Republic in 1949.

      Many of those working for the ministry in the post-war years came from backgrounds as lawyers or judges in Nazi Germany, and came to the department to provide legal advice as West Germany rebuilt itself. By coming together and closing ranks, the network of former Nazis not only protected one another from legal prosecution but also bound together to create the nation’s laws.

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        By coming together and closing ranks, the network of former Nazis not only protected one another from legal prosecution but also bound together to create the nation’s laws.

        Exactly like the GOP in the US today.

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          Fortunately for Germany, their Boomer era people decided “fuck you Nazi scum” and they had a reckoning which saw most of them displaced from government and held liable for their crimes as Nazi.

          And now the Boomers in the USA help elect Nazi Republicans to office.