• Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      It’s a recurrent theme in the history of the world you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands, tens of millions of species killed, never to be seen again.

      No species ever lasts that long.

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        There have been many extinction events, and we won’t be the first “nature based extinction event” the planet has seen either.

        Just one of the dumber ones.

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          Others have been fairly random. GRBs sterilizing half the planet, asteroid impacts, simple microbiological species fighting for resources whilst unknowingly making their environments unlivable, etc., etc.

          In this case, the writing has been on the wall for decades, completely preventable, but here we are barrelling into it head first none-the-less. Dumber indeed.

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            Hardly. We conserve when we want to.

            The problem is that not everyone shares the same values, and so there are people who are willing to let some species go in exchange for a more comfortable lifestyle (with “more comfortable” in some cases meaning “not starving to death”). Values aren’t objective.

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              Sorry, I was absolutely dehumanizing and generalizing us as a species. Individually, you’re absolutely right, but the people who need to make the tough decisions to save us all won’t make them and will selfishly take us all into the end with them. Differentiating the subjective opinions and values, at the end of the day, doesn’t really matter.

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              Why does the cow shark description say it’s unique in having six and sometimes seven gill slits compared to all other sharks having five. Then the frilled shark says it has six gill slits.

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                They’re both part of the Hexanchiformes order, which are seven gill sharks. So the cow shark article is wrong, there are two surviving families with more than five gills.

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                  Thank you, I typically default to assuming I don’t understand or I’m confused when reading up things outside of my wheelhouse. I enjoyed reading up on the sharks you shared! I was trying to decide which one I would want to be if I could decide while laying in bed this morning. Felt silly but fuck it, I’m old, it’s nice to dream.

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      We are committing a mass extinction on Earth’s life, there will be a geological record one day of where life suddenly fell off.

      And what’s really wild to think about is that while tragic to us and our perspective of the beauty of the world… in the larger picture, it will still be utterly insignificant to Earth’s history. The next million years will see massive portions of life die off, climates will change, new species will emerge and grow into new ecosystems, and there will be an entirely new set of fauna and flora, and humans will be a distant memory, a rust-colored line on the strata.

      And that coming million years? Also a blink of an eye in Earth’s history. A fraction of a fraction of our planet’s history of life’s abundance and drama. All the life we see around us represents a sliver of a fraction of a fraction of Earth’s biological history. It’s so, SO much bigger than any of us can imagine and it should have the effect of humbling us.

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        dont forget about our deep space probes, pioneer, and voyager.

        Those will still exist without us. A drifting reminder of our pitiful existences, hurtling through the vast emptiness of space, hoping to find something capable of discovering it.

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    Unfortunately for nature we’re like cockroaches. You can kill the majority of humans with a big enough asteroid, but actually wiping us out while persevering vertebrate life is a tall order. Hell it was a tall order before we even got out of the paleolithic.

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      “Humanity survives adversity well” is not not something I would think of as “unfortunate.”

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          I suppose from the perspective of misanthropes it’s unfortunate, but I discount the opinions of misanthropes.

          How is it unfortunate for nature? We’re part of nature. In the long term humanity is nature’s best mechanism for enduring long term, since eventually Earth is going to become uninhabitable due to the Sun’s aging process.

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            We’re part of nature.

            This is the whole crux of the comic that I see so many people, even in this thread, misunderstanding. Nature isn’t some “out there” thing, or even something we “emerged” from. There is no emerging! This is it. Me on my phone eating a second veggie dog while scrolling on my phone is part of nature. You reading it - also nature.

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              Yes, well that’s tautological, isn’t it? Nature is everything, so everything is nature. What’s the point of having the word if it doesn’t carry any meaning?

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                  We already have plenty. The universe. Reality. Existence. Creation. The world, as you said. What does the word nature bring to the table?

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      Fun fact: the Oxygen Catastrophe wasn’t a one-time event. It happened repeatedly in waves until life finally evolved a way to use the Oxygen.

      When humans emerge from their bunkers, they’ll quickly rediscover nuclear weapons and greenhouse pollution.

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      Are we? We haven’t been around that long enough relative to the planet. We won’t be here in another billion years.

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        I’m saying even humans with the ability to make pottery were able to survive in niches that our pests can’t even survive in, from the desert to the artic. We outcompete everything even without industrial technology and can survive on some pretty crazy diets. Invertebrate life could survive an extinction event that wipes us out, but I can’t imagine any vertebrate doing so (including the ocean ones).

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        We won’t be here in another billion years.

        I don’t know about you, but I sure won’t be

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        We were the one bipedal line out of 7 or more, that only almost died out. We are made to be more adaptable.

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        Nothing will be here in a billion years. Setting aside the fact that no species lasts that long anyway, Earth only has a few hundred million years of habitability left, if “nature” has its way. The sun’s steadily brightening as it ages and tectonic processes are causing changes in Earth’s atmosphere that will eventually prevent photosynthesis from operating, at which point Earth become the domain of a few hardy strains of bacteria again.

        That is, unless humans (or our very distant descendants) decide to do some meddling to keep Earth alive. There’s various ways to do that, from solar shields reducing the solar influx to moving Earth’s orbit farther out to stripping material from the Sun itself to moderate its output.

        “Gaia” has no foresight. She will sorely miss humanity’s technological descendants once the planet gets in that situation, there’s nothing she can do about it herself.

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          There were things here a billion years ago. There will be things a billion years from now.

          Humanity is a blip that will be forgotten.

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            There were things here a billion years ago. There will be things a billion years from now.

            No, there really won’t be. The Sun is getting brighter as it ages, in just a few hundred million years Earth will either cook to death or every single molecule of carbon dioxide will have to be taken out of the atmosphere to counteract the effect. Either way photosynthesis ends at that point.

            Unless something technological intervenes.

            Also, a billion years ago the only “things” that were around were bacteria. The Cambrian explosion didn’t happen until 530 million years ago.

            Humanity is a blip that will be forgotten.

            Unless our descendants are still around, which they could easily be. Humanity doesn’t need Earth to survive long-term. The reverse is not true.

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    I get the sentiment, that we’re not killing nature, just ourselves, but “nature” is not one thing. Killing nature amounts to humans causing incredible suffering to untold trillions of individual animals each with a lilfe, a consciousness.

    I saw my Kitty suffocate due to embolism and had to put her down and it’s no less of an awful event because it was a cat and not a human, it screwed me up and it was years ago. I imagine that level of needless suffering happening every day X 1 billion due to human greed and apathy.

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      “Nature” also has lots of suffering in it even without our help. I agree we shouldn’t cause undue harm, but the suggestion that animals won’t suffer without us is naïve at best.

      My condolences for your kitty, but nature would not have granted her the more peaceful end you gave her.

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        Pretty sure I already specified unnecessary suffering, I didn’t suggest that animals wouldn’t suffer without us.

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        i like the ever so slight implication here that a handful of deer could presumably cause global warming if we just didn’t exist now.

        I wonder how likely that is to be true.

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          Human-accelerated global warming wouldn’t happen via a handful of deer… But global warming was going to happen even if humans never existed. Global temperatures have waxed and waned since before life existed. The only difference here is that we’re pressing on the gas pedal (literally) and accelerating the process. The idea that global temperatures would have never climbed without humans empowers denialists by giving them a strawman to point at.

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    The Earth will shrug us off and carry on. It would be interesting to see what’s next. I suspect a marine mammal, jellyfish, or crab people.

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      Fun fact : this was the (slightly hidden) premise for Splatoon.

      Those happy, colourful descendants of squids and other marine animals are playing paintball over the ruins of our civilization, long after human extinction.

      They worship an old fax machine they found, too, for some reason.

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          Yeah. It was revealed mostly through a couple of “scrolls”, rewards in the single player mode.

          There was a human fossil (somehow petrified while playing Wii U) dated 12,000 years ago, and documents from scientists warning about global warming and oceans rising.

          Last scroll was a message from a scientist, “the professor”, in the middle of the big extinction event 10,000 years before Splatoon. At that point all land life would disappear very soon. The professor did the logical thing and saved his cat.

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        They worship an old fax machine they found, too, for some reason.

        That tracks. Fax technology probably will outlive us all.

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    Mother Gaia is a cruel and brutal bitch. Just read up on Darwin. No nazis killed as many beings as natural selection

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    Climate protection was never about saving species or eco systems.

    It is about not fucking the whole planet wide eco system so that we can’t live anymore on this planet.

    However even that we dropped for profits.

    I mean basically anything relating to energy would have costed the double amount (at least).

    Now we have also to reduce the co2 that was produced 200 years and the one that is triple the amount of the next 10 years.

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    story of my life, i hope.

    I think it’ll be funny to have a well known legacy, but without people having any idea of who the fuck i am.

    God speed humanity, you fucking suck.

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    This is the only correct perspective, and there are relatively few people specifically at fault for the lying that’s been done to the public on important issues.