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Though the way the leaker describes it makes it sound more like a 3rd person MOBA than a hero shooter.
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Ugh, as if we don’t have enough of this kind of game already. SMITE 2 and Marvel Rivals are coming soon. Valve for fucks sake, look at how well Half Life: Alyx did. I seriously hope they’re working on a future Half Life game or some new story driven style game at the very least. I’m calling it now, Deadlock is going to be another Artifact.
SMITE isn’t a shooter, though. Overwatch 2 killed Overwatch and left an empty space. I don’t see a problem if two games (or more) try to fill it. I hope they are fun.
That said, it shouldn’t be Valve’s only focus if fans are expecting different games from them.
1000 IQ power move: Valve promotes a fake game with fake trailers and fake reviews.
Day of the release approaches.
People buy and fire it up.
Starting screen says “Half Life 3”.
Thousands die from a stroke.
I might actually have some sort of cardiac event.
-1000 IQ, that’s an instant false advertising lawsuit slam dunk
If it’s literally the first thing on startup, anyone annoyed can just refund it
As long as they don’t do pre-orders they’re fine.
So we are back at normal 😎
I’d like a HL3, but not yet another competitive pvp game. So not sure if that would be the right approach if they can’t even hit the same target audience.
I’m inclined to agree with you, but Valve doesn’t often miss
Valve hasn’t released nothing but tech demos since Artifact, and that was a huge miss. And excluding Artifact, Valve hasn’t released nothing but tech demos in over a decade. So you could say Valve hasn’t hit the mark in over 10 years.
Alyx came out 4 years ago, and is recognized as one of the best VR titles of all time. It’s a full 15 hour game, so not a tech demo. I’d say that’s a hit.
Alex is a tech demo designed to sell headsets.
It also was unplayable for me made me sick and I can play things like super hot or beat saber for hours
Super Hot and Beat Saber don’t cause motion sickness. If you have no idea about how the different kinds of VR movement affect nausea and haven’t developed any VR legs, then that’s absolutely on you. Especially given that Alyx remains accessible to people prone to motion sickness by giving you the option for teleport locomotion and snap turning instead. I know my limits and while I can use smooth locomotion, I still use snap turning. Don’t blame the game if you don’t know your limits and it’s essentially your first VR game in which you don’t stay in a single spot.
The double negatives hurt my heart here
HL Alyx and Dota Underlords aren’t tech demos lol.
They don’t often shoot either. I would agree when they do shoot they tend to hit though. At minimum, it’ll be interesting to see what the studio with such a large stream of revenue finally decides to release. Even if it’s horrible, it’ll be a moment to remember.
Me reading the headline: “Why would Valve make a porn shooter?”
Seeing the Steam store lately I’m honestly surprised there isn’t a porn shooter. Imagine if someone went all in making an OW ripoff, but committed to making adult skins. Think about how much money that could make.
If companies see titles like Overwatch and Fortnite and want to be MORE like that, then I’m just done with anything other than Indie Games and Singleplayer at this point.
The screenshots look like a MOBA such as Smite or Predecessor
Heavy Update plz
Volvo I beg
Medic: “Later.”
Valves next game…
SQUEEEEEE!!!
it’s an Overwatch-style hero shooter
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
Man, I was taught “don’t judge a book by it’s cover” but you’re burying it by it’s genre, I hope you can experience new things once in a while .
I hate beets. HATE them. I will eat durian, thousand-year eggs, stinky tofu, and a million other things that most people won’t touch… but beets? Fuck beets. Their sweet-yet-earthy funk is like a dead animal that has just started to decompose. I don’t care if they are cooked, pickled, or stewed in borscht… hate them and won’t touch them. They ruin everything they touch.
This is like that. They are cooking with lots of beet-like ingredients. Some people will love that. But as for me…I hate it… I hate just everything about it… and I hate it because I’ve experienced all those ingredients before. Over and over and over again. What they are making is for a very particular crowd, and I am not part of said crowd.
What if you’ve already played all the big names in that genre and hate all of them?
Well, it’s valve, so honestly the odds of it being genre-defining in an already established genre? Pretty high, actually. Seriously, when is the last time valve put out a shit game?
Here’s hoping it helps OW2 finally die.
Well they did make Artifact. But if something is the best of something you already don’t like, that’s still disappointing. I don’t play games like DOTA or CS so outside of Half Life Alyx they haven’t put out anything they caters to me in a very long time. Since Portal 2? Which is fine. But I’m still disappointed.
Artifact
… OK name two!
/s
I honestly forgot about that piece of crap lol.
Going to let an unannounced games rumored genre ruin your day?
Gamers need to set a better image of themselves.
I never said that lol. The top commentor used a well known meme. I just want to play a cool new single player Valve game.
It’s been many years, maybe even decades, since I liked a straight up turn-based single player RPG. I seriously can’t think of one that has sucked me in since FFX. I even tried Divinity Original Sin 2 after so much hype and good reviews from my friends. But I just didn’t like it.
However, Baldur’s Gate 3 sucked me in. According to steam, approaching 100 hours of playtime (although I’m sure there is a good chunk of time where I just walked away with the PC with it “paused.”)
I’m not saying you’ll like the game, I have no idea. But to already be convinced that you won’t like it based on pretty much the nothing we’ve got it terribly presumptuous.
I don’t think ‘past data’ is nothing. Something might defy your expectations but its perfectly reasonable to expect you won’t like something if you’ve never liked anything from that genre before. I’m not ordering pizza from a restaurant if I’ve eaten 12 pizzas before and never liked any of them. I’m ordering the pasta or something.
Especially if you have liked games in other genres that company has made in other genres you already know you do like. I’d have been pretty excited about almost any other Valve announcement.
I hope the game is good for people who like that sort of thing.
I’m not ordering pizza from a restaurant if I’ve eaten 12 pizzas before and never liked any of them.
I was very intentional with my language, and pointed out that we know pretty much nothing about the game, so claiming you know you won’t like it is h reasonable. This is nothing like having a pizza, not liking it, and then not getting that same pizza again. This is like not liking the pizza at one store, it’s much closer to saying you don’t like the pizza in one store, so you know you won’t like it in another. Still imperfect because it would be closer saying you’ve never had a pizza you like, so you won’t like the pizza in a new store, which is more reasonable because you have a lot of information about that pizza.
But we have virtually nothing about this game.
To be faaaaiiiiir… D:OS (both of them) make the age-old mistake of having really slow, uninteresting, prologuish RPG starts. It takes a solid 5h of powergaming or 10h+ of normal play to get past that hump. That’s the point where the story picks up and you have enough tools to start really taking advantage of the games sandbox.
With BG3 they really seemed to have learned their lessons.
Edit:This was meant for the person above.
This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.
It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.
Won’t hurt to give it a shot, but I’ll be cautiously optimistic.
This seems reasonably different than the headline implies. It’s a hero shooter, in that there are classes based on heroes (like Team Fortress 2 as well). The gameplay is more moba it sounds like. I think I’ve only played one other moba shooter, and it failed quickly, so that’s different already.
It’s not a copy of OW, and even if it were it could still innovate. Half Life might be a “Doom Clone”, but it did stuff no one had done before. There’s plenty of innovation potential without inventing a new genre. Even if you do create a new genre, it’s probably still just evolution of existing things. No one ever has an original idea. It’s always inspired by their environment.
All fair points, and given the way Valve operates (like a free collective) this would only happen if there were some really passionate people leading and working on it.
That said, it’s still a mix of things I just really do not have any interest in. Competitive online game, esports focused, MOBA-like, PvP, hero shooter… that’s a whole lot of hard no-thanks from me.
I’d love some new light-narrative single player and/or co-op stuff from them, though.
I thought overwatch was based on team fortress. Why not just a new team fortress?
DOTASHOOTER
shoota
Shota
Still a better game than LoLi
Dooter.
Sounds more like SMITE than overwatch
Or Paragon even. That game was so fun back in the day before it got killed. If anyone can make something that fun again, it’s probably Valve.
Before that there was Super Monday Night Combat.
God I miss Monday Night Combat. It was one of my favorite indie games on the 360.
Was it really that good? I heard it was overwatch from wish when it launched but then got better. I never tried it, because i didn’t wanna learn something new.
It was a hero shooter MOBA but with some verticality, so that’s about as far as the Overwatch comparison goes. I had a great time with it. I like traditional MOBAs but don’t have the skill/patience/time for them, so hero shooter MOBAs are the perfect way for me to be able to play them more casually. In my opinion, of the few I’ve tried, Paragon was the best implementation of a hero shooter MOBA; the core gameplay just felt really tight to me.
There’s a remake out right now called Predecessor that I’ve been enjoying, free on PC/PS/Xbox.
Oh shit, I hadn’t heard of that. I’ll definitely check it out; thanks for the recommendation.
Sounds more like TF2 crossed with DOTA, which sounds weirdly fun and hella toxic.
Can you imagine the chaos of a veteran Dota2 player being matched with a notorious conga dancer?
I bet it will be made to run awesome on steam deck.
I can’t wait to be called new and exciting racial slurs as I lose the game for my team.
Or bring back the classics. I haven’t been called a swamp kisser in a while.
I don’t want to get banned but just assume I tend to go 1 and 15 and every notices every time.
Isn’t Smite exactly this?
Ish, smite is literally a MOBA with the camera sitting behind the characters shoulder instead of top-down.
Easiest and only description of SMITE is third-person MOBA. I’ve played since 2012
Valve famously only works on what excites them. You’re yelling me THIS is that?? How utterly defeatingly disappointing.
Is it really surprising? It’s not like it’s their first competitive shooter.
Just think of the loot boxes they can sell.
Valve’s game development division feels more like a weird cult than a proper game company. I don’t think they get “excited” for the things that most people get excited for. (Remember when they were excited for a virtual card game where you have to pay for every card?) The Valve of the 2000s is long gone IMO
Like idk, when overwatch came out, it was an absolute blast. I wasn’t looking forward to it at all, i didn’t care for it a bit until i played it. It just got run into the ground slowly. Also they made team fortress 2 way WAY before, and yeah that’s what they excites them.
Typically valve only puts out games that showcase something new, so might be interesting
Looks nervously at counter strike and dota.
They were both originally mods that they adopted rather than original creations though, right?
I think, also if I recall both games were genre defining
While I’ll likely still play this I have to agree.
Bold statement. Might wanna hold judgment till you actually see some gameplay.
It goes both ways then, people who are happy would shut up until they see some gameplay.
But sir… The comment section? Why are we here?
People who don’t care are allowed to comment, that’s it.
My time is here
Yeah I agree.
We don’t know anything yet.
Artifact would like a word.
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The Newscast is not the images. It’s an annoying video they embed in all articles and then floats when you scroll. I actually have set an adblock rule to block that shit.
As for the images, for now hotlinking to Twitter images is possible, so:
Rip, in EU they cannot force targeting cookies so we can see
VPN to EU countries for all general article reading it is then. Fuck this is getting obnoxious.
It’s the EU’s fault and their stupid ill thought out law. Even they admit that it’s bad, and it’s only made things worse.
I don’t mean the banner ads for cookies, I’m referring to sites restricting viewable content based on your selection. Which seems to be illegal in the EU.
Who are these “they” that has admitted it’s a bad law?
It’s one of the best recent pieces of privacy legeslation. It’s not the EU’s fault that websites are scumbags insisting on making life difficult for people.
Whatever it ends up being, I’m not interested. Never cared for competitive gaming. Sad that Valve has decided to use part of their enormous talent pool for, well, this while almost any genre would’ve been better.
Also, this is already a highly saturated niche. I don’t doubt Valve’s technical prowess and knowhow to develop a game that can surpass all the other ones in quality, but a gilded turd is still a turd under that gold leaf, even if it’s technically the best turd in the world.
That’s unfortunate that it’s not a genre you personally are interested in, but it is a popular genre and Valve is a business. Just because it’s not to your tastes doesn’t mean it’s a waste of their talent.
Oh absolutely. I’m not conceited enough to imagine Valve is developing games for me or that I’m entitled to anything. Just venting my personal disappointment with their choice. I still consider them the cream of the crop in game and hardware development.
I’m just curious why Valve looked at the oversaturated hero shooter market (seriously, we’ve had failures 8 years ago now) and said “Oh yeah, let’s devote our resources there”
edit: Like, I seriously can’t understand it. Not even Blizzard is coming out unscathed from Overwatch 2.
Not even Blizzard is coming out unscathed from Overwatch 2.
Overwatch 2 didn’t fall because it’s a hero shooter
this is where you say “It failed because…”
My assertion was that it was an imperfect hero shooter among many hero shooters. The more competition, the harder it is to enter a game.
this is where you say “It failed because…”
Gestures broadly
Not really my responsibility to make an argument for you. Of all the reasons Overwatch 2 might not have performed well, it being a Hero Shooter doesn’t have any strong evidence and you didn’t provide anything showing that was the reason.
One could argue Overwatch 2 being a Hero Shooter is why it didn’t perform worse than it already has, given its problems.
Here you go. Reasons the hero shooter aspect is not working.
Blizzard’s Approach To Balancing in Overwatch 2 is Not Working
Overwatch 2 Cancels PvE Hero Mode, Reveals Seasons 5-7 Roadmap
Overwatch 2 players demand “faster” balancing fixes as ‘one-shot’ heroes run rampant
Overwatch 2 Is Failing Its Way Into Reinventing Overwatch 1
Overwatch 2 support role feels stale and needs a shake up, say fans
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Blizzard is bad at balancing the game - could be true of any game, doesn’t have to be a shooter
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Blizzard cancels promised mode - Blizzard being bad at design and following through on promises.
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See 1.
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Forcing a game to become the sequel, not making meaningful changes other than monetization
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See 1
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Blizzard made a bad game
None of these are a result of Overwatch 2 being a shooter, and all of them are a result of Blizzard being shit at making quality games, caring about players, and following through on promises. So thank you, you have done a fantastic job demonstrating that Overwatch 2 being a shooter is not the reason it didn’t perform well.
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Competitive online games have been Valve‘s focus for well over a decade so it‘s in line with their portfolio. If anything, Alyx was an outlier they only did because they have a headset to sell it with. I think they know what they‘re doing. Sucks for you to not be their target audience though because they are pretty good at making games.
