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Bet cuckservatives would rather allow satanism into their schools if… it was suggested that Islam too should be included.
Prosperity Gospel is so close to LaVeyan Satanism that it barely makes a difference.
In what way?
I’m going to guess the religious promotion of self-indulgence and self-gratification.
Yeah but the satanists are honest about it. Prosperity bs is directly refuted by the Bible in many places.
Satan was the good guy.
What is that from?
The Devil’s Advocate, very good movie. Al Pacino plays Lucifer and Keanu Reeves plays the lead as an attorney he’s trying to corrupt into his leadership. Also has Charlize Theron.
Worth a watch for Al Pacino unchained alone.
Gotta love the Satanists. They’re fighting the good fight.
And best of all, they’re not even satanists. They just call themselves an edgy name
Christians don’t understand that. Apparently the satanic panic never ended.
Satanic panic is their whole life. I really pity them. They live in constant fear of not only their god who supposedly “loves” them, but another deity who also doesn’t exist.
I live with such a person and you are correct. It really is their whole life. Said person put their hands on me and tried to shout the demons out of me because I disagreed with them.
Funnily enough, no demons were forthcoming.
Yep! “What do you call someome who believes in a literal Satan?” … “Christian.”
Though ironically, they do appreciate one of the “evils” pushed by the biblical serpent: “seeking and valuing knowledge”, which is considered the original sin (as opposed to, say, the first murder, which happened not long after).
That’s not strictly true. They don’t worship Satan, or even believe in “him” as an entity or being, but it’s more than just getting under the skim of the churchians. They anthropomorphize the concept of Satan the archetype and learn from the philosophy of such a being as described.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
When conservative lawmakers in Florida and Texas won the fight to allow religious chaplains in public schools, they swung open the door to ministers from other faiths — including the Satanic Temple.
It offered the Hellions Academy as an alternative to Christian studies during school hours and named a telehealth abortion clinic after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s mom.
The proposals, which vary slightly, would have chaplains of various denominations serve in similar capacities as school counselors, in some cases with on-campus offices or salaries paid for by the districts.
A federal court sided with the Temple in a legal challenge last year, and there are currently seven clubs nationwide, where children make arts and crafts, learn about animals and do science experiments.
One of the Temple’s first actions was to perform a “pink mass” in which gay couples made out over the grave of the mother of Fred Phelps, founder of the homophobic Westboro Baptist Church, and declared her a lesbian.
The Temple has protested corporal punishment of children and sued states to argue that abortion restrictions violate their religious rights.“It is a poignant way of pushing the idea of what these governments really care about,” said Jay Wexler, a Boston University law professor who studies church-and-state issues.
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One of the Temple’s first actions was to perform a “pink mass” in which gay couples made out over the grave of the mother of Fred Phelps, founder of the homophobic Westboro Baptist Church, and declared her a lesbian.
This is delicious.
I’m not for any religious discrimination.
They should all be worshipped privately and have no governmental supporting.
These people are not actual religious worshippers though. This is activism. There’s a difference between the two groups
Edit: here’s some additional information, should you be interested - https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
That’s why the
Church of SatanSatanic Temple is trying this, they know it will cause outrage and people will be far more likely to ban all religion from schools than allow satanism.They should all be worshipped privately
Pretty sure the bible specifically mentions that too.
Hey, don’t you go bringing the Bible into this discussion about religion!
Yeah, Republicans hate when you do that because they’re completely unarmed!
Don’t really need the Satanists. Just tell conservatives that anything they want to mandate that is Christian can also/ will be done for Muslims. Notice how the war on Chirstmas always heats up around the time Ramadan coincides with it?
We absolutely need the satanists they are the ones that are doing things. What are the other religions doing?
What are the other religions doing?
Trying to drag human civilization back to the bronze age
Not true! Some don’t want to stop at the bronze age.
Satanist don’t actually want in, they want religion out
Correction, they want equal religious rights for everyone
correction: They only want in when other religions also want it.
Basically, they’re the US military if the US military was like “hey wouldn’t it be funny if we trolled them instead of bombing three hospitals?”
And Pastafarians?
As a Satanist, I absolutely think schools should welcome your bountiful deity with open arms, so long as they feel it’s important to discuss religion in school. Preferably, we should leave that kind of personal discussion at home. That being said, I think people could really benefit from learning about “The seven I would really rather you didn’ts.”
Ra’men.
mmm pasta
“‘Freedom’ of religion!”
“No wait, not like that!!!”the Temple […] named a telehealth abortion clinic after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s mom.
This is a beautifully poetic insult and I love it.
That’s my religious organization! Proud to be a regular donor. Highly recommend everyone joins and donates, they’re truly doing great work
I’m Christian, but have given them money.
Separating church and state makes better government AND better churches.
For real. I’m not religious but about the only to make people dislike waking up early on Sunday to go to church more is associating with Congress.
Good on you. It’s always refreshing to hear from Christian folks who have a strong enough moral compass to steer away from (let alone actively support direct opponents of) some of the more zealous or bigoted views which unfortunately seem to be growing stronger in the Christian community as of late.
I say this from the outside looking in, as I’ve never been associated with any church myself, so this viewpoint of mine may just be the result of an increasingly active vocal minority.
But I’m very curious to hear your experience as someone within the community; have you yourself seen growth in these types of zealous or bigoted views in the past several years within the Christian Community? Things like stronger, more vocal, or even unwavering support of anti-abortion or anti-LGBTQ laws/practices?
I’m a United Methodist and former clergy, and the last 5 years have been whiplash.
We’ve spent 50 years trying to make the denomination more inclusive and accepting towards homosexuals, but for some organizational reasons (primarily a heavy-African vote in the worldwide governing body of the church) it’s been difficult, and the more “traditional” wing of the church has been dragging us backwards.
We have our global conference (basically the legislative session of the church) every 4 years. In 2012 it got very heated. In 2016 the debate got downright nasty to the point where they had to calm a special session just to debate homosexuality in 2019 simply so the church could move on with the rest of the conference.
2019 was really, really bad. The traditionalists got their way on every issue.
The biggest blow was changing how church trials worked. As it was, “practicing” homosexuals were barred from the clergy, and officiating over a gay marriage was a de-frockable offense under church law. But that wasn’t that bad in reality, because Methodist Clergy are very educated and overwhelmingly disagreed with the rules, so when it came to a church trial the jury (made up of other clergy) refused to punish. In 2019, they changed the rule to remove clergy’s option to not punish.
The only ray of hope was the recommendation of a path to allow individual churches to leave the church but keep their land. It was basically the admission that the church was going to go through a schism. It looked for all the world that those who wanted to be more inclusive would have to start a new denomination.
But then the weirdest thing happened.
The ultra-conservatives were still mad even though they’d won. They were so mad, in fact, that they wanted to get rid of those who had opposed them. But there was no way to kick out churches who weren’t controlled by Fox News. So they huffed and puffed and got so angry they decided to start their own super-bigoted Republican church anyway. They called it the Global Methodist Church since they figured the rest of the world would follow them and they left the denomination starting in 2021 when the path for disaffiliation opened up. In all, they got about a quarter of the US churches - mostly small rural churches that depended heavily on funding from the larger organization they were leaving…
A few weeks ago the 2024 conference was held. Due to Vivid it was the first real conference we’d had since 2016.
Gay marriage, gay clergy, and accepting homosexuality as being a-OK all passed with over 90% support. Everyone who had voted against it before had either left the denomination or been so repulsed by the fringe actors who had that they changed their position.
It’s been a ride.
Wow. Yeah that sounds like a rough ride, I’m sorry you and so many others were dragged through the coals like that for so long. It sounds like things were at a point where a split like that was probably necessary unfortunately, maybe even entirely unavoidable from the sound of it.
Thanks for sharing your experience, and congratulations on a more unified (and moral) stance on these issues. I hope your church can finally and more easily move forward without the weight of the interference, pressure, and influence these fringe actors had been exercising in the past several years.
I broke down in tears when the changes passed. Just a few years ago we were positive we’d have to leave the denomination to get change, but then the bad actors left instead, so the thousands of congregations “in the middle” that didn’t want to leave their historic denomination didn’t have to, so in the end way more churches are officially accepting of homosexuality.
The new rule for marriage is 2 consenting adults, where it used to be a man and a woman. So we also managed to officially prohibit child marriage in the church. On the US side that was mostly from high school kids getting married because the girlfriend got pregnant. The church will no longer recognize or participate in those marriages.
It also clarifies that clergy are free to perform or refuse to perform any marriage ceremony of 2 consenting adults, so homophobic clergy aren’t required to perform the ceremony. I’m fine with that, because a preacher performing a wedding should support the marriage, and a gay couple should know that the person performing the ceremony is supportive of the union.
For a moment I thought you were going to say “doing God’s work”
I was going to say doing Satan’s work, but we’re actually nontheists
FUCK YEAH!!! PRAISE SATAN!!!
Fair is fair right? Or let me guess, not like that?
Not like that. It’s HAIL SATAN
Lol, ty
based satanic temple.
Fuck church of satan, apparently TST leader/s is/are a somewhat shitty person? IDK, haven’t looked, don’t care, the temple collectively is still pretty based though.
The Satanic Temple doesn’t not worship Satan. It even says so in the article. They are not “satanists”.
This is the way. We need a religion to rally around to push a left agenda the way the right does. They want to twist the constitution by manipulating their beliefs to their agenda, so can we.
