Jfc they’re setting up for the God damn witch trials
How long until hysterectomy becomes illegal
How long until consent laws are thrown out entirely
What will it take for people to decide to actually do something
I wonder what’s next, conceal carry permits for pregnant women to go out in public?
Give the fetuses guns? With that work?
If it was possible Texas would have made it mandatory by now
BigPharma should get in on this. Every American made fetus gets a free Armalite rifle seed that grows with the fetus. Name it too! /s
Well, every birth inevitably leads to a death, whilst guns might but they’re not guaranteed to.
So obviously, you need to keep track of the most deadly kind of people, pregnant women, more so than a not quite as deadly kind like gun owners.
True, the case can be made than a single gun can result in multiple deaths whilst a birth will only ever result in a single death, but none the less the statistics don’t lie and they show that a lot more deaths can be traced back to a birth than they can to gun ownership.
I once watched a woman walk into a supermarket just openly being pregnant. Fortunately she behaved, because some of the other folks were concealed pregnant.
A single birth can result in multiple deaths in the situation of murderer being born, so you might actually be right.
Someone birthed Putin
Yeah, but without all those other births those deaths would not have happenned, so ultimatelly it’s all the fault of pregnant women.
Being born is always a death sentence!!!
Hitler was born, if I remember correctly.
Many people who are born go on to have children of their own. So a single pregnancy can lead to generations and generations of deaths!
I read a study recently saying that 100% of murderers were born. So that’s another vector for births leading to multiple deaths.
You can’t expect decency from trash. Trash like this will always ignore how trashy they are. If there were a way to compel them to tell the truth I bet there isn’t a single real maga in the country who really believes in their god.
I’m not sure about that. In my experience, it’s how they justify everything. The ones I’ve known personally seem to genuinely believe their god wants them to inflict pain on others as part of some sort of divine warfare. They also tend to prefer the old testament, unsurprisingly
Things don’t have to be tracked to be targeted. Schools, concerts, and clubs are targeted all the time.
Why do they even need a database of pregnant women? I get that GOP is trying to take away a woman’s autonomy and all that, but what’s the official public reason they’re giving?
I also want to know their reasoning too, but what I REALLY want to know is if they are aware that pregnancy isn’t permanent? The more I think about this the more questions I have.
Who is gonna update that database? How many tax dollars are they willing to spend paying people to deal with implementing this? I know the purpose is to convict women for abortions and miscarriages, which is fucking horrific…but then I think about how people keep cars for far longer than a person is pregnant and how the DMV is not the model for efficiency.
Holy shit this whole thing is equal parts horrifying and laughably stupid.
Sorry about my weird tangent… your question got my brain asking questions and I don’t think the actual answers will be much help.
“why has this woman been pregnant for 27 years? … HOW has this woman been pregnant for 27 years?!”
The problem is you thought about it. Republicans don’t generally go that far with an idea.
Per this, she didn’t attempt to create a database and it’s a false statement going around.
Thank you. I should’ve known better and looked it up. I appreciate you posting this for me and others.
Click bait lemmy for sure
Thank you for posting this link. Good to know. The text includes this:
The bill prohibits information from organizations, including any affiliates, subsidiaries, successors and clinics, that “perform, induce, refer for, or counsel in favor of abortions, or provide financial support to any other organization that conducts such activities.”
Q: Does the bill also prohibit organizations that are against abortions?
Prego but no live baby ? Jail!
Still birth? Jail!
Miscarriage? Jail!
Crossing state lines while prego? Jail! (You might be trying to get an abortion)
Let’s definitely not have either of those things.
Yes, but let’s do the gun one also.
CA has one. And they’ve already leaked the data to hackers, I think twice now. So if some tech savvy thieves wanted to target specific houses, now they have a list.
Why would you target houses where there is a chance that the people living there may kill you?
Most burglaries are going to happen when the occupants aren’t home. You won’t see any gun stickers or 2nd amendment stickers on any of my vehicles or windows, no need to let anyone know what I own. Not that it matters, because the CA DoJ has a list with my name, address and all my registered firearms on it that they just put out into the world.
They didn’t leak it to hackers, they straight up published it on their website.
Address, dl number, phone number, etc.
Plenty of victims of sexual assault, domestic abuse, etc. legally acting to protect themselves were doxxed, not only to their abuser but anyone visiting the CA DOJ website.
No thanks. My state already has a list and I’m pretty sure the feds do too, but let’s not make it any easier on them in the event that we find ourselves in the “armed resistance” phase of fascism.
why do people still think they’re going to do a goddamn thing against the us military with their tacticool ar15?
What did the French think they were going to do against the German military? Frankly I’d rather die in “The Resistance” than just be like “ok yeah cool, fascism!”
So why didn’t you die in the resistance between 2016 and 2020?
Did we have a different 2016-2020? Where were the camps, tanks, and aforementioned resistance fighters? OH Myanmar? I don’t live there.
I see, you’re only joining in the resistance after the genocide begins.
I got news for you. The fascists already have the guns, and the 2nd amendment is just making it worse.
Just once Id like to meet a gun advocate that didn’t day dream about hypothetical scenarios where they get to use them.
Howdy! I only daydream of scenarios where I no longer need to own them to feel safe from the rising fascism.
We use them all the time to hunt for food. However, the weirdos that think they can rise up against the state are something else.
What if it isn’t the state so much as fascist militias that worry me the most? Is it ok to want weapons to defend myself and my friends from them?
Sure. Just make sure it’s as tightly regulated as say, cars.
Imagine a future, maybe January of 2025 and we start seeing laws classifying trans (or gay) people as mentally ill. Gun confiscations affecting only “undesirables”. People that actually really need those weapons for self defense. People that are harassed by ever emboldened fascist gangs. People the police treat dismissively at best.
I don’t love guns, or even have them for their own sake, or because of some dusty parchment written by hypocrites. I would love to live in a world where nobody has guns, but holy shit do we not live in such a world right now. I would urge you to reconsider your political priorities before you go harming (only) the people you probably want to help.
It’s not just “the state” writ large that concerns me. If you’ve been paying any attention the last few years, you may have noticed a rising trend in right wing violence. Fascist paramilitary groups have become increasingly emboldened and are rarely held to any account by the state. Left wing paramilitary groups have historically had a different experience altogether. Are you one of those people who are genuinely concerned that this might be “the last election”? If so, why would you want to risk giving this kind of data to a Trump administration?
What if we just had universal health care, rather than a massive suveillancr state
Nah. I’m ok with the gun database. We have one for cars. Firearms should be there too.
Next introduces a bill to ban women from politics
I worked for a gyne who did abortions and got the pathology reports. Every one said the same thing “the specimen contained spongy pieces of hemorrhagic tissue”. It’s so microscopic and it’s absolutely not like what anti choice assholes claim it is. It is so insignificant.
Have the abortion. Don’t hesitate. Get on with your life. It’s what matters, not a piece of tissue. It’s your choice and nobody else’s. You deserve to be happy and safe and not forced to go through hell.
FWIW I’m Christian and still incredibly pro choice. Don’t believe any of their propaganda. They lie.
Yeet it and delete it
An other Christian pro-choice here. God wants us free, Jesus came to stop people who used God’s name to control peoples’ lives.
My sister in law is an obgyn in Tennessee. She often remarks the socio-econokic conditions of her patients as the worst she has ever seen, and she spent years as an aid worker in Kabul.
I’ve driven through Tennessee and seen billboards from CPS that say “Don’t cook, you’ll lose your kids” (by cook they mean meth). Like they have to come out and say it that plainly, it’s such a problem.
How are we living in this reality?
Amazing how someone can utter a 100% fascist idea like this in public and not immediately get egged.
The NSA already has the database and is tracking both of those anyway under secret FISA warrants.
…?
Secret court. I case you thought we had a transparent justice system.
Well, it’s not so secret now is it?!
Gal-durn blabbermouths.
Better watch out for the IRS, SSA and not to mention all those state DMVs. They know what you make and what car you drive!!!111oneone
I don’t recall the “NSA plan to track women’s periods” in the Snowden dump. And so many gun sales are cash-and-carry that it’s not something they can manage easily.
For any given person, I’m sure the FBI could figure it out with time and effort. But there’s no national tracking database for all guns and pregnancies
The fact that you think they get warrants to collect data into that database is cute.
They probably have like one warrant that’s basically just a blank check to spy on anyone.
They don’t need one because of third party doctrine. They can just ask your phone carrier for your location and useage data and Google for your browser history. Those companies are free to sell that information to the government, which they do.
But they have to publicly disclose that information if they sell it, under a FISA warrant there’s already a gag order on it.
Which continue to expand, and just expanded even more this last time under Biden unfortunately.
Every Republican Accusation is a confession.
Who is this c-u-next Tuesday? I will chant spells against her.
Mekka-lekka-hi, Mekka-hiney-ho
This is the cognitive distance politicians need to have in order to be a good tool as a techno fascist for the exploitation-class.
While I am strongly against a database of pregnant women, especially in regards of the obvious purpose of it.
I am not sure if I would call it cognitive dissonance… Fascistic? Sure.
The idea behind the tracking of pregnancy is the protection of the individual “Child” and “future member of the society” against “overreaching authoritarian forces” which could lead to the death of said “member”. And the threat to the “child” is not the government but rather the mother and the supporting force would be the government. So placing the information to control into the hands of the government is an obvious choice.
In the case of gun ownership, the government is the threat for which the guns exist. The government is the “overreaching authoritarian force” and the gun owner is the “member”. The government isn’t the ally and therefore can’t be trusted with such a list.
Again I am not agreeing them these people. I just don’t think that is cognitive dissonance. I think a better example would the desire for a small government and a database of pregnant women to spy on.
Again imo idiots but not hypocrites for that (specifically… Because they are, just not for that)
The idea behind the tracking of pregnancy is the protection of the individual “Child” and “future member of the society” against “overreaching authoritarian forces” which could lead to the death of said “member”. And the threat to the “child” is not the government but rather the mother and the supporting force would be the government. So placing the information to control into the hands of the government is an obvious choice.
I,m not sure I follow here, but I don’t think the government is trustworthy with holding this information, wether it was given by the mother “freely” or not. The government has proven over and over it is not to be trusted with such personal data. If a complication or a situation change arises and the mother has to end her pregnancy. It will be used for punishment.
Oh I agree but I am strictly talking from the perspective of the idiots who would want such a list.
They want the government to police those poor women in order to “protect” the “child”, so the government can be “trusted” from their pov. And they want the government to police the women because from their pov, the mother is a danger to the “child”.
In the case of the guns, their opinion is that the guns will protect them against the government and so you don’t want them to have that list.
Cognitive dissonance
My dude got that cognitive distance
Keep it at least 6 feet (2 meters for non-freedom folk) at least, fam
English is my second language, used spell check, without thinking too much about it! Sorry 😁
What is a techno-fascist? What did I mis?
Fascists that enjoy techno music of course!
If the
robotsRepublicans win, we’ll have to listen to techno.That does it! I was beginning to get a bit tired of all the murder, oppression, fraud and general fascism but I draw the line at bad music!
W40K
It’s the collaboration of the state and private contractors in documenting everything to computers. The process started around the 1970s - mostly with police departments using crimes of the past to, er, “predict” where future crimes will happen (ie, they put the number of incidents in a calculator and did an extrapolation).
Half a century latter, there’s a lot of documentation. So much. In private databases, federal databases – plus everything that’s accessible online. It’s impossible for a person to actually sort through, so we automate the sorting. It’s like extrapolating from incidents, but also adding in keyword sorting and evolutionary trial-&-error algorithms.
The specific kind of American Libertarian pseudo-fascists who look to technology to save us from everything.
Basically, the Managed Democracy of Super Earth from Helldivers. That sums it up pretty well. Fascism in its corporate-friendly, AI-run form where CEOs of tech-related companies have most of the real power outside the State.
https://newrepublic.com/article/180487/balaji-srinivasan-network-state-plutocrat
I think this is the same article I saw on Lemmy a few weeks ago, it very thoroughly explains the topic. In very simple words though, I have bad news about what all those tech billionaires in Silicon Valley are planning to do with their money.
