Any woman who votes for the right at this point is voting for the handmaid’s tale. Ending no fault divorce, ending a woman’s right to choose, tracking women’s periods, and the list goes on. The right is trying to roll back women’s rights little by little.
I remember when the right said things would never get as bad as the handmaid’s tale. It’s not a coincidence they stopped saying that.
I like this N.J. way to talk to doctors: “don’t worry about it”, “it is what it is”, “who’s asking?”
What’s it to ya?!
“What are you, a cop?”
Reminds me of Johnny Tightlips:
Fat Tony: Johnny, how’s your mother?
JT: Who says I have a mother?
Johnny Tightlips, where’d they hit ya? JT: I ain’t saying nothin’ But, what do I tell the doctor? JT: Tell him to suck a lemon.
Good for that kid!
This is horrific but being discussed in such a light manner.
What’s The meme here?
Didnt you know? Screenshots of text are they new memes
Mods should remove posts which don’t stay on topic
Good one. As far as I can tell there are no moderators.
They should, but this is a political topic meme.
But it’s not
Yes it is.
abortion ban
Red states are obsessed with knowing who is potentially pregnant and increasingly making legislation to punish people who appear pregnant and suddenly aren’t (ie, no periods, then abortion, then having a period). Some of that includes reporting that information, apps for tracking have already been caught sharing that info.
Thanks
I can read.
You did not answer the question.
What’s the meme here?
Memes are a form of cultural expression, spread from one person to another. This post is a meme. It’s not humorous but it is a meme
No, memes follow or aim to create a template / macro. This is just a snapshot of a Twitter post.
Meme - In popular language, a meme may refer to an Internet meme, typically an image, that is remixed, copied, and circulated in a shared cultural experience online.
This post is a meme. It is an image that is circulated in a shared cultural experience (this post and it’s many reposts)
Maybe - but “memes” like this don’t have the remix portion. It doesn’t even really have the copy portion, because this is more like a repost - the OP didn’t copy this tweet to make a similar but different point, they’re just sharing a tweet on this Lemmy community. So by this definition, it’s not really a meme.
If this were a meme, I’d be able to take it, change some key words while maintaining the general cadence, and a similar outcome with an alternate context. You can’t really do that with this screenshot of a tweet.
The image isn’t the meme here. What is memetic is the idea of withholding previously innocuous-seeming information from healthcare professionals in the interest of self-preservation.
And if you ask what’s memetic about that, I will in turn ask you what coordinated and intentional effort exists to push this concept of information withholding for safety onto American women? And when you then come back after having not found any coordinated and intentional effort, I will simply ask you then how you think this idea has spread to the point of being so easily recognizable and identifiable? Memetic discourse.
You are describing image macros, which are only one single type of meme, not the only thing that can be memetic. Even philosophical concepts can be spread memetically.
I’m sorry, you simply have a misconception about what the definition of a meme is.
Nope! A meme is an idea that passes from person to person and evolves as it does. Image macros are simply one form of meme.
The image in the OP, nor the text within it, will be passed from person to person nor will it become the basis for parody. There has to be some criteria for a meme community to follow and any original piece of text will qualify unless there’s some amount of circulation associated with it. Otherwise what separates this community from lemmy.world/c/politics ?
You say that with such certainty. Can you prognosticate about other things or just the future of memes?
It already has been passed from person to person. We wouldn’t be talking about it if it hadn’t.
Here ya go: https://imgflip.com/i/8qbioo
I would classify this as a combo INFOSEC and “OK boomer” meme, ie, “Lol, you trust _____ with that info? OK boomer”
15 years or so ago I would’ve classified it as a conspiracy nutjob meme, but that’s the state of politics.
I think that you’re right that this wouldn’t count as a meme in most situations, but it still fits the sub because it’s political. The downvote situation would seem to imply that the majority disagree with us, but I don’t care and neither should you. The majority can be wrong.
Congrats, you’ve become the meme here
At least now there is one. Happy to help.
Missed opportunity to use the “Look at me, I’m the meme now” meme as your response to becoming the meme.
Either you die a memer or live long enough to become the meme.
Then why goto the doctor for a checkup?
This is likely in the context of abortion bans in some US states. Presumably they still trust the doctor to do a regular checkup for everything else.
And, the doctor may not have a choice. Even if they’re asking for purely medical-history reasons, they may have to put the information into a system (according to their employer or insurance company or for their own records), and that system may be subject to information gathering from hostile parties.
Every time I’ve gone to the doctor in the US since several years before I actually had my first period (I was a late bloomer), I’ve been asked about the date of my last period. Since I moved to Germany (a country with a longer life expectancy than the US), I’ve only been asked if I could be pregnant before X-rays and prescriptions or when it’s been relevant to my visit (abdominal cramps, unexplained vomiting, etc.). I understand if you didn’t realize that it’s asked for absolutely everything or if you thought it was actually necessary, but it’s both constant and unnecessary.
Yeah it’s like asking about your last bowel movement. Potentially important to your health, but probably not pertinent
Yeah, women should just avoid doctors and routine checkups altogether/S
It’s like trying to buy alcohol from a legal market - the seller will absolutely rat you out to the cops to protect themselves and their business. Same thing, you can’t trust them if you’re potentially breaking the law. Sadly, this is going on for women simply being suspected of getting pregnant so the government can keep tabs on them. It’s gross
She’s not wrong, a doctor doesn’t need specifics for a checkup.
That entirely depends on where you are going, what insurance networks they deal with, and what the appointment was scheduled for.
Going in for a sinus infection, yeah that’s probably not going to be necessary. Going in for a women’s wellness check up? They are probably going to have to input something depending on the forms the institution uses for electronic medical records.
Certain insurances will utilize specific metrics to determine reimbursement. If you don’t document certain information they may use it as an excuse not to reimburse the provider.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion. A prosecutor can potentially use the timing of that previous period to suggest fetal age at the time of a future abortion may be greater than the law allows.
Doctors don’t need that information. Insurance companies surely don’t need that information.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion.
Yes, I understand that. I practice pediatric medicine in the most conservative state in the nation.
Doctors don’t need that information.
Again, this is circumstantial. Menstruation cycles are still very important to certain types of medical care. It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
Most of the reasons why physicians ask these questions is purely out of concern for your health and for liability purposes. Certain medications can be dangerous to prescribe to a person who is unknowingly pregnant.
Insurance companies surely don’t need that information.
I wasn’t validating the insurance companies reasoning, just informing why physicians and other medical providers may ask these questions.
Doctor patient confidentiality is not absolute, and even if it were, the associated records are not. They are subject to subpoena in certain circumstances.
It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
It is unsafe to suggest that they can. Safety isn’t on the menu here. You can only get it with a referendum. Or a guillotine.
It is unsafe to suggest that they can. Safety isn’t on the menu here. You can only get it with a referendum. Or a guillotine.
You are misconstruing health and legal safety. There is already an alarming lack of women’s reproductive care, and America already has the highest maternal mortality rate of any wealthy nation.
Your suggestion that you should fear talking about a provider out of concern for the slim possibility that you will be prosecuted for having an abortion is outright dangerous.
How many people have been jailed so far for this information? Now weigh that against the amount of just black women who die every year for lack of prenatal care. What you are spreading is not only dangerous, but reeks of privilege.
There is already an alarming lack of women’s reproductive care,
How’s the health care in prison?
Your suggestion that you should fear talking about a provider out of concern for the slim possibility that you will be prosecuted for having an abortion is outright dangerous.
Indeed, it is. As is your suggestion that the possibility of prosecution is “slim”. We have highly motivated people seriously promoting pregnancy registries. They believe such registries are necessary to prevent murder.
Now weigh that against the amount of just black women who die every year for lack of prenatal care. What you are spreading is not only dangerous, but reeks of privilege.
You’re hand waving away even the possibility of civil or criminal penalties for seeking healthcare, and I’m the one who sounds privileged?
You’ll have to start buying tampons in bulk, lest retail starts telling on you
I’m so glad I got sterilized once the RvW info got leaked. I wish I could thank whomever leaked it. In my eyes, they’re a hero.
I am Canadian and offered on my Facebook page to mail abortion pills to Americans, got IMMEDIATELY banned for 30 days, and was interviewed by Vice about that. Facebook is complicit.
I’m not one to defend Facebook, the execs can burn in hell for all I care, but they do have to comply with the laws of countries or else face being sued by some litigious Americans.
Let me ask you this. Are you still on Facebook?
Me myself was not happy with the influx of misinformation on there 10 years ago and I’ve not used the site since, or Instagram or WhatsApp.
Full disclosure: we use ReactJS at work.
Yes because I have a lot of friends from a previous social media platform and that’s the only way we can stay connected.
Hey, each to their own, but I’m prepared to make sacrifices for the things I believe.
I don’t shop on Amazon, and some things I just can’t find elsewhere so I just don’t buy them.
As mentioned I don’t use WhatsApp so I miss out on group chats as my friends won’t use signal.
The list is quite long at this point.
I just find it odd that you’ll call out Facebook for being complicit but do nothing about it.
I really appreciate your dedication but most of us are just trying to get by. I mean the fact that we’re engaging with you on this platform instead of others is worth something.
Personally I am old enough that I have never had social media. ICQ then AIM were the way people connected when I was young. Many of the people my age have Facebook accounts, but it’s not like they’re on there obsessing daily.
My wife deleted her Facebook a couple years ago and I was so proud of her.
Please be careful. Your heart is in the right place but if you keep cutting people out over a shitty choice of platform you might end up out of friends.
Thank you for your kind words, and I didn’t mean to come across as combative or anything, I was just voicing my thoughts.
As for losing friends, if my friends don’t believe in the same things as me then I really should find friends I have more in common with.
Full disclosure I’ve done some fucked up things in my life and my way of making amends is speaking of for the people less fortunate than I am and taking a stand for the things I believe, whether it makes a difference or not.
If I had a better way to universally keep in touch I would.
Get rid of doctors?
Period tracking. It’s not safe in the US anymore.
Oooooooh this went from weird conspiracy to actual legitimate concern quite quickly.
It is without question no joke.
Huh?
No period dates now, means no abortion/pregnancy tracking later
I suppose that means doctors in some states are now allowed or even required to report pregnancies that don’t end in child birth? (honest question, I’m not from the US)
Not sure if it is in effect but there’s at least a dozen state legislators who are making pushes for it by now without a doubt.
Especially in the wake of referendums spinning against republicans on this issue, conservatives have a nasty little habit of psychotically doubling down when they realize popular opinion is against them.
Here are the states that arrest and punish the most pregnant women
Tennessee, Alabama, Oklahoma and South Carolina lead the nation in arresting and criminally punishing women for allegedly posing a danger to their fetuses, according to a report released by advocacy group Pregnancy Justice.
Nationwide, nearly 1,400 people were arrested or subject to disparate bail, sentencing and probation for conduct related to their pregnancies between 2005 and the Supreme Court decision in June 2022 dismantling abortion rights, the report found. The vast majority were poor, white women, although poor Black women were disproportionately represented.
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Advocates pointed to two key drivers in criminalizing pregnancy: the expansion of so-called fetal rights or “personhood” laws and a more punitive approach to substance use among pregnant women — even as many states move to decriminalize drug abuse in line with evolving approaches to addiction. The majority of criminal cases documented by Pregnancy Justice related to substance use, including marijuana, cocaine or methamphetamines. In about one-quarter of these cases, the substance was legal: such as nicotine, alcohol or prescription opiates.
I don’t think any of the laws have officially passed yet but yes it’s widely expected to happen soon. This is specifically in reference to laws being considered that would track menstrual cycles to spot possible abortions.
Oh. Oooooh. Why the fuck you have worse healthcare than my shithole? Why the fuck your healthcare is worse for own citizens, than mine for foreigners?
Where you from? Might need some healthcare later.
Russia… Not the best time to visit, but hopefully Bunker Rat will be sent to Hauge by the time you will need it.
Here’s government’s decree(as in by executive branch) about what happens if foreigners that don’t have any insurance for example breaks bone. Here’s translarion of paragraph 5:
- Emergency, including emergency specialized, medical care is provided to foreign citizens in case of sickness, accident, trauma, poisining and other cases requireing emergency treatment. Such medical treatment provided by state and municipal healthcare organizations is free of charge.
You know it’s Russia when a specific legal clause is inserted in the medical care laws defining being poisoned as a common form of injury.
“Look we have to do something with all this novochok we have left over from soviet days!”
But since Botulism is also form of poisoning, it is not something too uncommon. And if not treated, it will 60% likely to kill.
And you can get it by eating old canned food.
Ahahahaha. Nice one.
It is list of injuries requiring emergency treatment, not common injuries.
Not all poisonings occur because of assassination attempts. (in fact I imagine it to be a very tiny minority of poisoning cases) Someone can be poisoned by picking the wrong mushroom, thinking it to be a different edible one, or by eating the delicious looking tide pods or by drinking a cup of the methanol-rich alcoholic beverage your friend made (or by drinking too much alcohol in general).
Because it’s the only way ‘Murica can be exceptional.
(Exceptionally awful, if it wasn’t clear.)
(Exceptionally awful, if it wasn’t clear.)
Oh, I see the competition. Don’t worry, another 20 years of Putin, and my shithole will be the most awfulest of all shithoels.
Really, there are so many similaritues Putin’s propaganda like “exceptional path” and “spiritual staples”, that it is scary.
Holy shit, that hits home. Smart daughter.
no.
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Bald eagle freedom screech intensifies.
Fun fact: the famous bald eagle freedom screech as we know it from the movies is not from an eagle, it’s the scream of a red-tailed hawk.
These days it’s actually the screech of the yellow bellied, tail tucked misogynist.
In reality eagles just sound like large seagulls.
Quite disappointing actually.
Seagull… E-gull…
Hmmm…
I was meaning the sound the birds make 😅
They actually sound like deranged seagulls. I think that sound is probably more on the nose for what is going on in the US.
That’s how you fucking die because the doctor didn’t know enough of your medical history.
Doctor: “Are you allergic to anything?”
Person: “I have a few allergies but nothing you should worry about, please fill my prescriptions now”.
Also I’m pretty sure a doctor knowing when you go on your period can be important when prescribing birth control.
WOOOSH
If the state decides to punish people for having allergies and to violate medical confidentiality to force doctors to report these people - you wouldn’t want to tell your doctor about your allergies either.
not really. typically birth control is prescribed with instructions on when to start in relation to your period. they don’t need to know the exact date.
This explains why people say healthcare in US is terrible
No it doesn’t. This is a problem with our laws, and it’s not true across the us, only in some of the less intelligent of our states.
The reason people think our health care sucks is because it’s for profit which inevitably leads to crappy/no care for the poor. And for that reason it does suck.
But of course, mindless bashing on the US? Upvotes, no matter how little it makes sense.
The reason people think our health care sucks is because it’s for profit which inevitably leads to crappy/no care for the poor. And for that reason it does suck.
When people compare healthcare between countries, people compare healthcare by those countries. Not by corporations in those countries. This is why I say my shithole has worst dental care on the planet. And have bad avaliability, brcause regions are still part of country. Although the worst is better than none, I guess. Terrible both by European standards and by standards of 20 years ago. Again, USSA managed to be even worse than this.
It’s secondary to point that one states problems be applied to the whole country, although thats probably closer to using the worst of any country in the EU to paint the whole EU.
The point is that this is relatively new, and this is not why people generally think the health care is bad in the us. We actually have great healthcare if you have money. not so much if you don’t. This is the general reason why us healthcare is looked down upon.
It’s secondary to point that one states problems be applied to the whole country, although thats probably closer to using the worst of any country in the EU to paint the whole EU.
Even then EU healthcare probably better than of my country.
not so much if you don’t.
When people compare healthcare between countries, people compare healthcare by those countries. Not by corporations in those countries.
Really. If you have money, there is no difference between countries.
Calling it healthcare is starting to seem like more and more of a stretch every day
Following the naming conventions of 1984.
Hah!
not just good, but double plus good.
It’s a reason, not the reason
I heard even citizens have to pay for it even when you break bone.
Yup. And if you get sick. And if you need emergency treatment.
If you can’t pay then they’ll “stabilize” you and kick you out.
Having broken bone IS needing emergency treatment.
Oh you clearly didn’t grow up on the wrong side of America. We first ask, but how broken is it really?
Enough to be seen on x-ray.
Sorry, what x-ray? Oh, that’ll be $200 please. The USA is dystopia
It’s an emergency, but is it a 3 months worth of rent emergency.
“New joint I guess”
I distrust doctors, but mostly because at least 70% of them are just prescription ChatGPT’s
So I’m assuming you go to Bing for medical advice?
Epic
Okay, not entirely educated on female menstruation person here.
Does the period cycle change or is it consistent over time? Like is it about tracking a woman’s pattern and if there’s a change… that’s the flag?
To add what prune said, it can be some what inconsistent. Women aren’t robots.
Thaiks for adding that. I was aware of those cases (also: the pill can make you stop having periods at all), hence why I wrote “suggested”.
However, law enforcement can’t be trusted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Especially, if it’s illegal and persecution is especially politically motivated.
yup.
I can only imagine what someone like my ex would have to worry about in those places. The idea that something- for her- is totally normal would see her facing charges for things that never happened anyhow. It’s patent stupidity.
This kid is smart, and whoever coached her… good job.
Surely, surely law enforcement can’t investigate you for missing a period?
It’s not uncommon to choose to skip periods to keep iron levels up, et cetera.
In the states where an abortion is illegal with jail time as a repercussuon?
I’d never want to risk it.
It’s about the cycle stopping and then sarting again, suggesting that the person was pregnant until she wasn’t again.
Exactly, and it’s not just about abortion. Well it is, but abortion isn’t the only cause. Miscarriages are common, and unfortunately these days miscarriages of fetuses and of justice go hand in hand.
Upvoted for semantics
Thank you, I’m proud of my turn of phrase and disappointed and enraged at my country
Here in Los Angeles there’s been extra visitors from other states. Probably the y just want to go surfing, or visit Disneyland, I’m sure that’s it.
