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They don’t want freedom of speech; they want licentiousness of speech.
The way the users of that slur is used… yeah it does come off as a slur. As if, “cis-gender” (lol) is a degrading label. You can call me a cis-gender… you might get a laugh out of me but that’s about it.
It is a joke of a slur
You can call me a cis-gender… you might get a laugh out of me but that’s about it.
Because nobody has seriously threatened your life for being cisgender, nobody has harassed you in a coordinated fashion because you are cisgender, cisgender is just a term that can be applied to you that doesn’t really affect you either way.
Words that are slurs are the record of violence and suffering inscribed into letters, you can’t treat those words the same and the fact that Musk is doing this is pathetic as fuck.
You can’t be more wrong. A typical bigot.
You dont have to sign your posts you know
A typical bigot indeed.
I mean the rest of us don’t mind, it’s like game of thrones it’s so hard to keep track of all the characters so when people just put it out there and literally sign their posts, I mean shrug fair.
Hate is a bad flavor of ice cream but like, yeah by all means if people want to tear their mask off, throw the dog whistle away, please it helps the rest of us realize who the hateful clowns are with dysfunctional capacities to apply empathy or even basic humanity to entire categories of people. Honestly it makes these conversations soooooo much easier and faster when the hateful authoritarian people just actually self label themselves as such.
To all the cisgender sad lonely people out there who would never hurt a soul, transgender or otherwise, I see you and I love you but shut the fuck up you aren’t being hunted down by threatening white men in pickup trucks who are drunk and are all friends with the sheriff so if they get violent with you for being a queer I mean the sheriff is gonna understand the boys getting rowdy right? So what they tied you up and raped you and drove away leaving your body as a crime scene.
That is the difference. Y’all are talking about feelings, queer people are talking about their fucking lives and we better damn well listen because we are next into the meat grinder.
plenty of people get harassed, abused, and threatened for being cisgendered. you’re a nut if you think being trans has some sort exclusivity on gender violence. both cis men and women have been threatened and labeled as threats due to their gendered conformity. being in a minority doesn’t mean you get a monopoly on being treated like shit.
and when you hang out around trans communities, they very much do actively use the term as a slur, even against each other.
being in a minority doesn’t mean you get a monopoly on being treated like shit.
True but being in a significant majority however does mean you get a monopoly on being able to wield actual societal and structural power (whether it be through family relationships, social relationships, the workplace, healthcare services and any number of other contexts) to hurt groups of people. Being part of the majority, at any point you can divest from the social contract and just look over at somebody who is almost exactly the same as you and say “well, we know which side we are on wink”. Having agency over when you and your group honors the social contract and basic rules of communities (i.e. you don’t show up to peaceful protests to beat the shit out of peaceful protestors, run them over or shoot them with an assault rifle) means that any point violence can be deemed acceptable by your group for a unilateral aim that ignores the rest of society. This Happens All Of The Damn Time. Cops do this with rightwing bigot constantly, shitty people of all types do this.
Lol, that’s incredible. But more incredible is what happened in Peru: They declared that being trans is a mental disease.
How isn’t it? And why are you so upset that it’s classified as a mental disease?
You still accept people and medically treat people with mental diseases, do you not?
I don’t understand what the fuck you people want. We are giving you a legitimate medical classification so we can chop your dicks off and give you all the hormones your little hearts desire. But you don’t like that it’s called a mental illness?
Give me a break.
Gender dysphoria, the psychological suffering caused by feeling like you are in the wrong body, is the disease. Being a trans person is not a disease, and using that as a basis for insulting or discriminating is inappropriate. Somewhat like autism is the mental disease but having autism is not a disease and it is inappropriate to treat a person as if it is the entirety of their existence. Way too often illness has been used as the basis of mistreatment and outright extermination. People have diseases, they aren’t their diseases. We have introduced this notion from the fields of ethics in medicine and it’s why a lot of things are no longer used in language nor in concept: the disabled, the retarded, the syphilitic, the autistic, etc. People aren’t diseases and they aren’t their disease.
If you knew a thing or two about the history of gender, you’d know that medicalization of gender is precisely one of the main historical roots to justify discrimination, criminalization and abuse towards trans people. Medicalization of gender has literally killed millions of people throughout history.
combine it with race to see an even starker picture. black women’s medical outcomes are insanely worse than other races and genders.
Believe it or not, your understanding is not essential. Unfortunately for you, truth is nuanced and not conveniently delineated. Just because you can’t grasp it, doesn’t make it a mystery.
Give me a break.
Cis people have received an inordinate number of breaks for the entirety of recorded history. You will never be killed for holding hands with the wrong person. No nation has a death penalty for expressing your love openly.
“Give me a break”.
How about no.
Why would he hate the word “onthesameside-gender”?
Classic South African move js
Don’t the fans of X applaud it for being anti-censorship? I would think this goes against their free speech inclinations.
Free speech for right wingers means they get to say anything they want. Doesn’t apply to others
The most critical component of “free speech” to a right-winger isn’t just the ability to say whatever they want with no repercussions, it’s also that an audience has to be forced to listen to them.
There are plenty of shithole places on the Internet where they can spout their transphobic, Great Replacement anti-Semitic shit all day long, but that’s not good enough for them. They need a “lib” to be triggered.
Jordan Peterson is the absolute king of thinking that he deserves and audience but also no one is allowed to leave a mean comment or he’ll quit Twitter again.
The guy found a way to get famous by lying that a law would put him personally in prison if he called someone “he” instead of “she.” He’s the biggest attention whore out there.
That’s the guy who cries about nothing, motivates incels to hate women and minorities, and goes on tirades about wanting humans to behave like lobsters or whatever, right? Utter detriment to the human species.
Exactly, it’s not enough to stand outside a college campus and spout bigotry, they must be given a podium and an audience must attend
So come up with a new word? All the screaming in the world won’t get musky to change something like this. He’s chosen his side.
I actually kinda wish I could see the idiotic replies that the mods are removing
So Musk will let you use that word all you want because free speech, right?
…right?
You believe that cis is a slur because that’s how you use the word trans.
These people are so fragile. If you dare remind them that they’re cisgender, that they’re straight, that they’re white, that they’re able-bodied, they take it personally because of them they’re just normal.
All of the sudden, they have to think about their place in society and it absolutely terrifies them. They are like rich people when you tell them that they’re rich. They will do this whole fucking song and dance to try and tell you about how they are not that rich and how the government taxes them and everything and how they’re just like you and so on.
They are not white, they are not cis, they are not straight, they are not able-bodied, no, they are just normal. It’s everyone else that is different. It’s them who are black, who are gay, who are trans, who are disabled. They’re different.
But my guy, you are not. You are as much a part of the society as I am. And you’re getting just a small taste of what it’s like to be a minority in said society. Someone reminded you of what you are for just a second. Now, imagine being constantly brought back to what you are and not who you are. What that would be like.
People like Elon Musk take offense to being called straight, white, cis or able-bodied because everything else is inferior to them.
On a side note: Someone should remind him of what the Nazis did to disabled people. Because the dude is clearly getting cozy with a lot of them, but I don’t think being this level of clinically stupid is going to get him far in the Fourth Reich. Besides, those South African origins… erh, that may get him in trouble. And having a trans daughter? Woof, doesn’t sound like “good genes” to me. Elon, you may want to pick better friends.
Everyone is normal. There is no different, only human. Do you disagree?
why not come out and make your point instead of JAQing off?
Because I think people’s disagreement makes my point more effectively than my words ever could.
This might be top five comment on Lemmy that I’ve seen.
I appreciate what you put down here. I’m a white dude that is about as corn fed looking as they come. This comment made so much sense.
Thank you for taking the time to write this out.
Ok, I’m going to be completely honest with you. I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.
Are you telling me that I made a shit comment? If so, please do say so because I’m gonna be honest: I am not sure about this comment and I’ve been thinking about deleting it ever since I posted it. I rewrote it like five or six times before until I finally got fed up with it and said “fuck it” and posted it. :|
Leave it, it is very well-written and it also made my day to read
They are being genuine. It is a terrific analysis. You are exactly right; in their minds, they are “normal”, and anyone implying any sort of equal status between them and the “abnormals” pisses them off.
Your comment is spot on
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure they’re being genuine. It’s an insightful comment!
How did you interpret a genuine compliment as so negative? You need to get some more self-esteem, friend lol. You’re valid and you have good insights!
Imposter syndrome’s a bitch.
Who said that!? I don’t know you!
Because obviously all compliments are actually just insults in disguise! /s
I put /s, but like, that’s often my first assumption. IME, often compliments have been mostly been intentionally a back-handed insult, are putting themselves down in the process, or they’re trying to give a genuine compliment but its about something I dislike about myself and therefore feels insulting despite the intentions.
Internet. Those with empathy have been wary for years…
Plume - I was being totally serious. I really think your comment hit home for me and I appreciate how you framed your points.
Also - please don’t let internet comments from strangers linger rent free in your head. Too much awesomeness out in the world to let randoms’ comments bring you down.
Thank you. It really means a lot to me. 🩵🩷🤍
Considering that they didn’t use the universal /s tag, I would take it at face value. It’s a good comment.
they take it personally because to them, they’re just normal.
Maybe they (including myself) might take it personally because to them you ARE normal. Regardless of your gender, skin colour or sexual orientation.
So, if I’m treating everyone the same, why is it wrong to ask for other people to do it as well? For example, if I’m trying to talk about a certain topic and your opinion is discarded simply because “you’re cis” then yeah, I have every right to be offended. Just because I’m white and a man it doesn’t mean that I’m necessarily part of the problem.
And no, I wouldn’t presume to know how if feels from being part of a minority that has to face constant violence and discrimination but that’s precisely why I want to have the conversation, I want to better understand what other people are going through. Although, that doesn’t mean that I will (or should) agree with everything the other person says. Being part of a minority doesn’t magically make you right about everything. Just like I might be biased due to my personal context, you can be biased because of yours.
I’m afraid you are putting a lot of words into my mouth and making lots of assomptions about what I’m saying here. I don’t really know how to answer to this because, well, you’re debating against things I didn’t say.
I’m calling you cis, because it’s simply a descriptive term. You are white, you are a man, you are cisgender. That’s not a problem. I’m white, I’m a woman, I’m transgender. That’s not a problem. These, on their own, are simply descriptors. No one here is saying that you’re a problem. I’m talking about people who specifically take offense to these terms, like Musk here does, like, if you tell this man that he is “cis”, he will genuienly get upset.
You misunderstood my point. Context is important and, in this case, the context is using these terms in a platform for discussion (which are usually not very friendly). In my comment, I was thinking of why calling someone “cis” or “trans” or any other thing in a conversation can often be to insult or discredit the other person and why that’s wrong.
I have never been excluded from truth seeking conversations because I am cis. Everyone likes an ally. Some people actually like them a little too much in my experience.
If you are in a queer safe space you should treat it like you are at your in-laws house. You don’t need to be expressing every diverging opinion or challenging every cultural assumption. In my experience, if you are being met with hostility, it’s because you are projecting it.
I have never been excluded from truth seeking conversations because I am cis.
Congrats. Unfortunately, it has not been my experience.
if you are being met with hostility, it’s because you are projecting it.
I honestly don’t think I am but it is something that I could ask if it happens again.
In my past experiences where my questions or disagreements, etc have been met with hostility, the reason seems to be that if I don’t 100% agree with what the other person is saying, it’s simply because I’m a straight white man and don’t know any better. Which, as you may guess, doesn’t lead to a very productive discussion.
So, do you believe cis is a slur?
I think “slur” is not the right word but in some cases it can be used ina a derogartory or dimissive way.
I think the post you responded to may not be talking about you then lol
By “post” do you mean the comment I replied to or the actual OP? Because I believe that the intent behind classifying “cis” as an insult is more aligned with my interpretation.
If using the word “cisgender” is a ban-worthy offense, it’s not being considered “a word that can sometimes be insulting”, it’s being considered “a word that is inherently harmful to use in almost any situation”
Because they are normal. If most of the species is the same in these aspects, it’s normal. But you know, we can also simply switch what word we use, and instead of normal use…common or average. So, they are average. :p
I wasn’t aware of this term, but I just checked it in wiktionary. Looks like a perfect normal word to me.
It is, and it’s a word we need there’s not a different term for it and it’s a useful concept. Close minded people just hate that it implies the existence of trans people.
Much like all words for a privileged group it has some people who really don’t like it. Transphobes in particular dislike it because it is neutral and contains no value judgement. But also because it gives people the language to talk about trans experiences without misgendering or othering trans people
I’ve been CALLED it as a slur. \shrug
Please tell us more about your victimhood.
I’ve been called ‘white’ and ‘Jew’ as a slur. I’m still white and a Jew.
Anything can be a slur in the right context.
You fucking squid.
“squid” has been banned from X
See? Rude.
You poor thing
So it’s a gay-only platform now?
Huh? How do you figure?
Because cis people are banned
Um…what do you think cis means?
It always has been?
No women allowed club, only bros
Hmmm sounds a little… gay…
That’s antisemitic, too.
I’m pretty sure Elon has no problem with antisemitism since he thinks it’s the “actual truth” that Jews (who are, apparently, not white) are oppressing white people.
Everyone should start talking about CSI incessantly.
Las Vegas or Miami?
CSI Gender. It’s a spinoff taking place in the town of Gender, New Mexico.
Lol, perfect.
