cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/14764738
Helldivers 2 Players Express Frustration On Steam As It Will Soon Require A PSN Account
Man it’s such a shame. I was looking forward to trying it, but I’m not going to create a psn acc for it
I’m guessing you have an Origin, EA and Microsoft account though? Along with Steam, Epic, Gog and what else?
At least you use those for other games, what are you using your PSN acc with no PlayStation for?
I don’t have any of those, except steam
So what?
The game is very repetitive, anyway. I was bored after about 20 hours. By then you’ve already seen everything there is to see.
More stuff is coming / is already out. It’s actually a really well done implementation of a live service game which I never thought I’d say about anything. That does mean it has a shelf life though and the live service won’t last forever, which is a bummer. I’m curious what they’ll do with it once they’re finished actively managing the war story. Maybe hand it over to an AI in 2-3 years.
Hmm well I played on and off for about a month and didn’t notice anything new.
Do you know if they plan on adding some new game modes? I’m already sick and tired of the whole “shoot bugs, rescue hostages/blow up objective, shoot more bugs then extract” thing. I get that a lot of shooters have a tendency to only have 2-3 game modes max, but those games at least have PvP to keep things interesting.
Not sure. I do know new creatures are planned and coming, and player vehicles are planned. I haven’t played in a couple weeks though so I’m not sure what all is out and what’s still cooking.
Every game is repetitive, it comes down to whether the repetition is entertaining. It wasn’t for you but for a lot of people it is. It is trending downward according to Steam stats but it still has around 60-70k concurrent players during the low points and in terms of hours played it’s be in the top 10 games.
Personally while the overall mission structure is “repetitive” I think the randomization of mission parameters, how the mission play out and the spectacle make it very fun. I would still be playing if not for the Sony shit. It’s a great game to peace out with friends.
Agreed. Fun with other people. Boring as fuck solo.
As always, people completely overreacting to the minor inconvenience of creating an account. Crazy
I wouldn’t let them fondle my testicles.
As always, people completely overreacting to the minor inconvenience of having testicles fondled. Crazy
Why? A good fondling is nice
You’re completely missing the point.
What am I missing?
I have just seen that certain countries can’t make an account which is extremely scummy. But most people are just whining about having to make one
It’s really not whining tho? You’ve been able to play without one since the beginning even having an option to skip such a step, I don’t own a PlayStation and don’t intend to I shouldn’t have to make an account for it, it’s that simple, a game shouldn’t be able to lock you out of something you paid for just because they now want to force you to make an account, even more stupid is allowing the game to be sold on countries where you can’t make an PSN account knowing it would be mandatory in the future.
Read the comments here and you’ll quickly see why it’s a problem. There are multiple reasons.
- Sony will use this for tracking and advertising.
- Having a Sony account has proven to be not safe, many times…
- April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
- May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
- June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
- November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
- August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
- September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
- October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach
- They only included that this was needed in some places, and even there in small print. Which we all now is on purpose and is disgusting corporate behaviour.
- People who have bought the game and can’t make a PSN account have now lost access to the game they probably paid full price for.
- I addition to those, imagine this new trend where each publisher is requires you to make an account withim their systems and having to link them whenever you want to play their game… That could mean you would now need an account for:
EA, Activision Blizzard, Ubisoft, Take-Two Interactive, Square Enix, Capcom, Bandai Namco, Bethesda, Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft Studios, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Sega, Konami, THQ Nordic, 2K Games, Paradox Interactive, Focus Home Interactive, Devolver Digital… Etc…
And that’s only a small portion of the number of publishers… It’s a trend that benefits the publishers only as they get to track users on a new level. Honestly boils my blood the amount of corporate greed were seeing in the gaming industry.
Less than 1 day old account. Don’t feed the trolls
While true, I’m always afraid of it not being a troll and a genuine new user… would be a pretty bad experience for a new person to be called a troll, even though them having a controversial opinion.
Didn’t think this was real at first read. But holy fudge it it is… Game is now being review bombed on steam. Here’s an additional article from Gaming on Linux:
The review chart is hilarious.
Doubt Sony or the developer expected this would happen.
Edit: Already reached 30k negative reviews, and it’s growing fast.
thanks for sharing the chart! I doubt they Sony takes a hint from this too, but it certainly shows other developers and publishers something about signing contracts with Sony…
as long as still they make money from it, and people already paid for the game, no they will not.
Sony should take the hint. Many of these reviews are from people who can’t even get a PSN account in their country. So Steam is about to be flooded with requests for refunds due to the game not being available to some users. I already asked for a refund because of this.
It’s unlikely steam will be able to tell people to just pound sand, so Valve will likely step in at some point and then Sony will be in trouble with the platform itself.
Yup. I have a feeling Valve will like usual be on the side of their customers.
Although the Steam page for HELLDIVERS 2 has clearly stated since release that a PlayStation Network account is required, you actually haven’t had to link them. That will change really soon.
So if it were clearly written on the Steam page, I don’t really get the complains.
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Love this! 🙌 Just started listening to the Audiobooks.
You mean the radio show, I hope?
Looks like the web archive is down for me atm. As long as you can hear multiple voice actors and sound effects, you’re at the right place.
This is the one narrated by the one and only Stephen Fry <3
Who the fuck reads the entire steam page? My friend says buy the game, the reviews say it’s great with friends, you go and buy the game not scan the steam page for predatory data hoarding policies.
On top of the fact it was (more or less) turnkey. It worked. For months. Why would you look at the page when it works? If it was like that from the start, it would be different.
By clearly stated, they mean, in small letters further down on the steam page that nobody reads. Just like a cheeky terms of services…
Just like a cheeky terms of services…
check both EULA links on the steam page. Nothing about this is in either (even now). So it’s literally just the banner.
I can personally see it on the steam page, underneath controller support section.
Yes. That would be the banner I’m talking about.
oh right, i misread what you wrote mb
So if it were clearly written on the Steam page, I don’t really get the complains.
It was optional for several months and the info on the PSN page contradicted that, so there was a lot of room for confusion.
Not surprisingly that PSN page was edited earlier today, but there’s a million screenshots floating around already, plus you can check the previous version in the Wayback Machine.
And even if it was clearly written on all places, it’s still a “too bad you didn’t read the fine print, now you’re past the limit time for a refund, so either let Sony track you or lose access to the game” situation which is very shitty. There’s also the fact that they sold the game to people in countries where is PSN is not available, which should not have happened if that requirement was going to be enforced in the future.
Not hard to see why people would get pissed and lose trust in the developer. I also think that players have been annoyed for a while with this type of requirement (not specifically in this game), and they are now getting a good outlet with a lot of publicity around to vent about it.
That makes much more sense now. I was also wondering why people didn‘t pick up on it earlier given the incredible popularity of this game. So of course people noticed it, but it just didn‘t make much sense. I can see why someone would shrug it off a messy bit of text that probably wasn‘t supposed to be there and will be removed or edited or something. Well edited it was… just not as expected I guess.
There’s also the problem that they’re clearly rushing this without much thought, they don’t even have an answer to the obvious question of “what happens to people in regions not supported by PSN”.
I had to sign up for PSN over a month ago, why is there outrage now?
Same— my understanding is that there’s now no option to play without making one, which for some countries and territories is not even an option, making the game unplayable for them.
This makes sense, that’s kind of a shitty deal for them.
They are removing the “Skip” button from the linking page on game launch and forcing anyone who used it to link a PSN account now
There was a skip button?
I mean its not like EA games where ya need to install a 3rd party launcher
Still anyone review bombing over such a stupid thing needs a slap upside the head. Took me all of 2 min to sign up and now I have 90 house played
No one complains about having to sign up for Xbox shit.
Steam is available in 237 countries, while PSN is only available in 69 countries. Some people are going to be locked out from the game they bought. E.g African players are going to be fucked.
Because Xbox and Windows are fully integrated. Most people gaming don’t have to have a separate account, just an Xbox username that you create once and it is attached to your Microsoft account. You’re right about EA making you download the worst launcher in existence, but this statement about security is bs. Its more about them controlling the psn accounts and not the steam ones.
It was apparently skippable before.
It was so skippable I never even knew there was an option to link to a PS Account, which I dont have because my last PlayStation was the PS2
Yeah… I have someone in another lemmy thread telling me that it was on the steam page, it was in the EULA/TOS, and it told you in the game.
Meanwhile, I checked the EULA/TOS today and it says nothing… And for the in game banner I saw “Sony Account” and closed the popup. It did nothing and didn’t say anything about that being a temporary choice to skip a login. So that leaves JUST the banner… On steam’s page. So no agreement with Sony at all to participate. Nor evidence of Sony themselves notifying anyone of this being a requirement.
Its in the side panel tucked away, you know, the area usually delegated to unimportant credits level info, and not in the sales pitch area. I had a younger friend respond to this news “Shows how many people cant read” Like what? You’re gonna defend a corporation being scummy because TECHNICALLY if you hyper scan the info you got a HINT that something might be required?
Account creation fatigue. I’m personally not fond of creating a one-off account for every fucking game I play on steam. It’s enough already. EA account, ubisoft account, rockstar account, PSN account, xyz account, ugh. Every new account I create is just an additional attack vector for when all of these companies eventually get hacked. I get occasional emails about security breaches or unauthorized attempts for random ass accounts I created years ago, and it’s so frustrating. I don’t even have a playstation. It’s just so annoying. I’m sick of it. I don’t believe for a fucking second that Sony is requiring this for “security and safety.” Those fucks just want to inflate their user numbers for the shareholders and collect our data to sell to 3rd parties. I am so fucking sick of this shit already. I bought the game on steam. Just let me use my steam account only god dammit.
Wwwwwaaaaaaaa
I don’t have Xbox or PlayStation and I still signed up. Just use a stupid throw away password. Ya know how many times people have tried to log into my twitch account and I ignored it because even if they did get the password it means absolute jack shit. If ya do use the acct to buy stuff, use a virtual credit card to make payments so its as easy as shutting down that CCD and opening a new one.
Be more pissed about the rootkit of a anti cheat that they use
Maybe be pissed about both?
I feel weird using my PSN account because the birth date on it is wrong… I tried to tell Sony this, but they said they couldn’t change it
That’s probably a good thing. I generally put different information into every service. If you keep track of who you told what, you can use that information later. If you receive spam from somewhere random, but they use the name you gave Sony, you can say “oh so Sony sold my data to you…”
Sony has been part of at least one major data leak. They don’t have to tell anyone since all of their data already is on the internet.
If you’re in the EU, they have to correct your personal information. Threaten to report them to your local privacy authority if they don’t.
So every company you give info to is responsible to catch every one of your lies? That sounds hard.
No, but they have to update your info if you want to change it.
If they’re as incompetent as they sound they’d have to change it manually and assuming you could make them do that it would probably break something in the account. 😄 There’s no good way to do this if it was badly put together.
So, at first install, I actually linked my account to a PSN account that I knew was banned due to a charge back on an unwanted purchase. At the time, I figured if I discovered that I can’t play because my account is banned from PSN, I’d just refund on Steam. I feel I’ll be very justifiably pissed if my account is now banned from playing retroactively, long after the refund window.
This is the point of contention I am curious about. If Sony can be the one to kick you off the game that you bought on Steam and you don’t get refunded for it, I will review it negatively. Let me know what happens after the update forcing PSN.
As of today, I am still able to log in. The next point I’m concerned about is the 30th, so we’ll be waiting a while, but I’ll do my best to update.
I presume you will have heard, Sony/Playstation has announced it will reverse on the PSN linking mandate.
Does anyone know what type of information is shared by linking accounts
If it links to your Steam account, I assume it’s going to get all the info in your Steam account.
Afraid you’re gonna have to dig deep into their privacy policies for that, including all third party vendors they partner with, which I’m assuming is more than just a few. The world of policies is intricate by design…
They sold this game in dozens of countries where you can’t make a PSN account. That right there is what pisses me the fuck off. Complete horseshit to do that to people.
PSN doesn’t care if you lie and just choose your nearest supported country.
They literally do care: https://www.ungeek.ph/2018/09/pinoy-gt-sport-player-disqualified-from-gran-turismo-world-tour-2018-due-to-technicality/
It might not affect most people as they won’t get caught, but Sony absolutely cares when you’ve given them false information. I’d much rather get my refund than be at the mercy of Sony who can be pretty liberal with the suspensions.
One of my friends made the mistake of linking his PSN account right when he started playing Helldivers 2 then shortly found he was banned from the game. After he did some digging, he found his PSN account was banned for “suspicious activities” despite having not used it in over a year. After even more digging he eventually finds out it was because when they kept charging him for their premium service and he was trying to cancel it, they wouldn’t remove his payment information. He checked multiple times with them and they said they did.
Next payment period rolls around and they charge him for another year of service all the same. He tries to get it refunded, he talks to them about how they said they removed the payment info and it’s nothing but “well there’s nothing we can do about it now” type bullshit. So he goes to his bank and did a charge back on the annual fee, since they keep insisting it’s impossible. Wouldn’t ya know it suddenly it’s very easy to remove his payment info, cancel that premium service, and take care of everything.
All of this was done about a year prior, and he left his account untouched since fuck Sony and PlayStation at that point. I guess they waited until his account was active again being used for a game for them to suddenly realize they really don’t like his charge back and deactivate his account entirely, blocking access to everything linked to it, including Helldivers 2.
Their terms of service specifically say if you spoof your location or do not sign up in your country you will subject to review and punishment. Aka permabanned
It actually does, it’s something people get their accounts banned over.
What does a PSN account involve? Just an email and password, maybe a handle/nickname?
I assume it needs no credit card or payment.
If all that is true a PSN account is annoying but doesn’t seem so bad.
Remember when telemetry/data collection across the internet was often optional and pretty minor?
The more shit we absentmindedly agree to because it’s not really a big deal in the short term, the worse it gets in the long term.
If I play a game on Steam, then Playstation, EA, Ubisoft, etc should all fuck off. I already gave those companies my money, it’s insulting that that isn’t enough anymore.
If all that is required is an email address and password I could live with giving Sony a special email address and unique password, I don’t see where I have a privacy or security risk there. Annoying, but it’s a lot better than another launcher or something. ETA: It asks for birthdate, definitely don’t give them your real birthdate but give them something close. I have a standard fake that I use.
Jan 1 1984 of course
They don’t care if it’s a valid email or not. All they want is a unique identifier.
People nowadays hate having more than one account. They can’t even bare having more than one exe that launches other exes installed on the same computer anymore
I would definitely be annoyed but have had to create an account for other games too. Give them an email that isn’t your primary email and a unique password, I don’t see where there is any risk after that.
Needing to run a programm just to launch a different program is stupid. I don’t need a middleman, just let me launch the second program directly.
Right, so you hate steam too then?
If you do, I’m more talking about the cognitive dissonance of others that love steam just because it’s the lesser evil of the launchers, but vehemently hate the idea of buying a game on another store front.
What other value does the so called other launcher provide? Modding sdk? Community forum? Family sharing? Controller remap?
You can still do all of that stuff without owning the game via steam
Other than modding via workshop
Sure, but I specifically ask other launcher. If we are talking no launcher at all then it is a different discussion entirely. If we are talking about not having a launcher, yeah, that is understandable too. But then again, many games have their own launcher and they do not add any value other than for the sake of having one/promoting the publisher
Yeah specific single game launchers are pretty awful
I want to buy and eat soup without someone dipping their dick in it and telling me it’s a part of the experience.
Pretty silly comparison.
“Well if it is just the Tipp I’m fine with it. It is a bit annoying but better then two sweaty balls”
But that’s what makes it artisanal and an extra 3.50
I read that in some regions ( I think UK/Ireland? ) it requires a picture OD your face/ID to verify your age.
Can’t verify that though
Looks like Nintendo and Sony are competing who can get away with being a bigger asshole. Boundary testing sociopaths. Game becomes popular, dev and publisher foist unpopular requirement to continue playing in order to see what the response is and if it doesnt tank numbers too much, they now have a green light to weasel this into other games. Hell even if it does tank numbers, they already have their money and you probably wont be able to get a refund at this point.
Yeah, but I can get a refund for Days Gone which I haven’t played yet AND I can not buy as many of snoy games as they can publish from now on.
Did anybody got a refund already?
It’s been like 24 hours. Everyone at Sony is asleep while Arrowhead is being 💩 on for Sonys decision
Trying to refund it, although pretty low chance since it’s well past the window. But that’s part of what makes it so bullshit to bring this in long after that window closed. I’d have refunded the game on the spot if it actually required the account creation from the get go. I refunded Red Dead 2 after it turned out to require a Rock Star account. Fortunately that was apparent on start up so I just quit and refunded.
I would love to see Valve allow refunds. This was not an agreed upon stipulation at the time of purchase. If they pull the game from you now so soon after purchase, is it not grounds for a refund? Give Sony the choice to backtrack or lose money.
It’s been on the steam page since day one, so I doubt they’d refund. It was agreed upon but not enforced until now.
By reading this comment you agree to pay me $1,000.
Uhh have an upvote instead.
It also prompted for a login at the start
Eh, I knew it when I bought it. I didn’t know better and signed up. I wasn’t tricked and we all started the game that first time and were told about it
Okay…the video game industry is going to crash any day now.
They keep raising prices, lowering quality, abusing their devs and now they’re also making everything more restrictive. And There’s also several games out there that require you to disable your core isolation to install them.
If it won’t run with core isolation enabled, it’s malware. That’s the rule every windows user needs to start following.
Americans are not going to stop playing video games anytime soon. I think they can easily get away with more
