Guns are regulated. How much regulation, who gets allowed, what types of guns, and if the regulations are being enforced, those are the real questions. This warrant and shooting is a result of a law that wasn’t enforced well, as they had already broken the law once and yet someone sold/gave them guns again.
I did comment that enforcement seemed to be part of the problem here, yes. Do the laws need to be more strict? I doubt that will fix any enforcement, since that’s the failure.
The regulation caused the fight and nobody is fit to determine who can have guns and who can’t. The courts have failed and the police have failed. Who decides who gets to be police? Clearly a failure.
How many stories have we heard about police kicking down the wrong door and murdering people in their own homes while they sleep and still we can’t understand why people should be allowed to be armed in their homes? Breonna Taylor ring a bell?
We don’t know anything about this case, it’s very possible it’s yet another “no-knock raid” where they kick in the door of a sleeping homeowner and force them to defend themselves against an armed B&E.
You realize that the reason that police get away with homicide in the US so much is that every single person might be strapped?
You know that in Canada and the UK and countries where guns aren’t common, police have a much harder time justifying drawing a firearm, to the point that just drawing one unnecessarily often makes national news?
What’s insane is being the only country in the world with regular mass shootings and thinking that you’ll shoot your way out of the problem.
You realize that the reason that police get away with homicide in the US so much is that every single person might be strapped?
That’s not why. It’s because not enough people care and because police work for the government and secure the interests of the government, so putting them in jail is essentially kneecapping yourself if you’re a politician.
You know that in Canada and the UK and countries where guns aren’t common, police have a much harder time justifying drawing a firearm, to the point that just drawing one unnecessarily often makes national news?
Again, nothing to do with firearms and everything to do with culture.
What’s insane is being the only country in the world with regular mass shootings and thinking that you’ll shoot your way out of the problem.
What’s insane is thinking that we are the only country in the world with a problem with violence.
The Nice, France mass murderer killed more people with a commercial truck than any mass shooter in history.
More people are killed in the US by bare fists than the entirety of all rifles put together.
Killing people en masse is super easy. Even if you were able to take away the guns, there is no shortage of alternatives.
and because police work for the government and secure the interests of the government, so putting them in jail is essentially kneecapping yourself if you’re a politician.
No, that is the case in literally every single other country too.
Again, nothing to do with firearms and everything to do with culture.
Sounds like a gun owner in denial, not a reasoned point.
What’s insane is thinking that we are the only country in the world with a problem with violence.
You are the only developed western country with a problem as severe as yours. You’re the only one where there are regular and repeated mass killings. You are the only one where violence, and specifically gun violence, is a leading cause of death amongst children.
The Nice, France mass murderer killed more people with a commercial truck than any mass shooter in history.
Yes and more Americans have been killed by gun violence in 2024 so far.
Because every other country with similar problems can be slapped with the label of “underdeveloped”, I assume?
What countries are you thinking of?
“Gun violence” is not a cause of death. Murder is.
Technically no, a bullet wound is, or a stab wound, or blunt force trauma, but murder is the legal definition of a crime that involves death, circumstances, and intent.
Do you think if they took away the guns, people would just stop being violent? Or that they would just find another tool?
I think that they would find another tool, be forced to decide whether to commit to a close quarters fight to the death instead of sitting back and spraying from a distance, and in the vast majority of situations the overall outcome will be far less severe and easier for police and security to contain.
be forced to decide whether to commit to a close quarters fight
Do you think this is the only alternative? Did you already forget about the mass murderer with a truck? Or a bomb? Or a lighter? Or an airplane? Or any number of dozens of other ways you can murder people without putting yourself in harm’s way?
Outside of potentially a car or truck, all of those things take significant time and planning.
The reality of most murders is that they do not happen when given a cooling off period. Similar to suicides, they’re often situational and in the moment.
The officers were part of a US Marshals Service-led task force. The warrant they were attempting to serve on Monday was against a felon wanted for illegally possessing a firearm
Meanwhile, morons perpetuate this lie and ignore the fact that the largest mass murders are committed with trucks and planes and bombs and any number of other weapons.
The Nice, France mass murderer killed more people with a truck than any mass shooter with a gun in American history.
What part of gun regulation do you think is gonna stop the news from putting it stories about people defending themselves from cops? Do you not realize what gun rights are for? Regulate the cops before you go figuring you can regulate anything else.
The officers were part of a US Marshals Service-led task force. The warrant they were attempting to serve on Monday was against a felon wanted for illegally possessing a firearm.
So you mean the exact thing the cops were trying to do? Did you even bother to open the article before posting your hot-take?
This is dumb as fuck, literally nothing about that mentions anything about firearm licensing. Did you understand the words you quoted before getting high and mighty?
It’s illegal for felons to possess firearms regardless of whether or not legal owners require licensing, and nothing in here says that they didn’t just get a tip that some criminal was stockpiling weapons.
The dude already broke several firearms laws, in addition to other violent crimes. This is the system working deal with violations - so what was the point of the original comment mentioning licensing?
Licensing reduces the number of guns in circulation and ensures that their owners are more responsible than the average unlicensed owner, making their guns less likely to end up on the black market.
So… Marshall’s could be trying to get guns out of felons hands AND guns should be regulated like cars. Also if you want civil talks don’t go around with " did ya even bother…", you sound like you’re more ready for a fight than a convo in my experience… (source: I too am like this at times)
I’m spicy certainly, but that’s because the comment was inherently unhelpful. Like shouting “genocide” in any Israel-Hamas thread, or “fuck Trump” it is a dead end of conversation where nobody learns anything, nobody has their beliefs challenged or critiqued, and no discussion occurs.
The in group feels better about themselves, the bad thing is chided, and the issue remains untouched. Build a polemic and defend it, share some white papers or research, even a dumb meme. But pithy comments are almost always masturbatory - and I’m guilty too from time to time.
A hot take is a “piece of deliberately provocative commentary that is based almost entirely on shallow moralizing” in response to a news story, “usually written on tight deadlines with little research or reporting, and even less thought”.
It’s important to understand words before using them.
Aside from waving your hand at the issue of gun deaths and violence, you offered nothing to the discussion without bothering to understand the scenario. You could have talked about why was this a police raid instead of a traffic stop, or what failure led to him being on the street after recent convictions, or the issues that drive gun violence and the toxic masculinity around them.
…yes? If you’d like to expand upon your point, I’ll gladly retract that assessment. But if you’re going to persist in low effort sealioning instead of getting somewhere and making a point or statement, I’ll take my time elsewhere
It’s almost as if guns should be regulated similar to cars. Insurance, licenses, registrations etc…. The 1% is making too much money to allow it
Guns are regulated. How much regulation, who gets allowed, what types of guns, and if the regulations are being enforced, those are the real questions. This warrant and shooting is a result of a law that wasn’t enforced well, as they had already broken the law once and yet someone sold/gave them guns again.
So you’re saying none of the existing regulations worked and there needs to be much more strict laws and enforcement??
I did comment that enforcement seemed to be part of the problem here, yes. Do the laws need to be more strict? I doubt that will fix any enforcement, since that’s the failure.
The regulation caused the fight and nobody is fit to determine who can have guns and who can’t. The courts have failed and the police have failed. Who decides who gets to be police? Clearly a failure.
It’s almost like anyone can pick up a gun and kill someone for any reason. 🤷♂️
Not in Canada, the UK, the entirety of western Europe, Singapore, Thailand, Japan, Australia, New Zealand…
How many stories have we heard about police kicking down the wrong door and murdering people in their own homes while they sleep and still we can’t understand why people should be allowed to be armed in their homes? Breonna Taylor ring a bell?
We don’t know anything about this case, it’s very possible it’s yet another “no-knock raid” where they kick in the door of a sleeping homeowner and force them to defend themselves against an armed B&E.
You realize that the reason that police get away with homicide in the US so much is that every single person might be strapped?
You know that in Canada and the UK and countries where guns aren’t common, police have a much harder time justifying drawing a firearm, to the point that just drawing one unnecessarily often makes national news?
What’s insane is being the only country in the world with regular mass shootings and thinking that you’ll shoot your way out of the problem.
That’s not why. It’s because not enough people care and because police work for the government and secure the interests of the government, so putting them in jail is essentially kneecapping yourself if you’re a politician.
Again, nothing to do with firearms and everything to do with culture.
What’s insane is thinking that we are the only country in the world with a problem with violence.
The Nice, France mass murderer killed more people with a commercial truck than any mass shooter in history.
More people are killed in the US by bare fists than the entirety of all rifles put together.
Killing people en masse is super easy. Even if you were able to take away the guns, there is no shortage of alternatives.
Lol, yes it is absolutely part of the reason.
Yes, that is also part of the reason.
No, that is the case in literally every single other country too.
Sounds like a gun owner in denial, not a reasoned point.
You are the only developed western country with a problem as severe as yours. You’re the only one where there are regular and repeated mass killings. You are the only one where violence, and specifically gun violence, is a leading cause of death amongst children.
Yes and more Americans have been killed by gun violence in 2024 so far.
Right, blaming it on denial (of…?) makes much more rational sense.
What a strangely specific criteria. Because every other country with similar problems can be slapped with the label of “underdeveloped”, I assume?
“Gun violence” is not a cause of death. Murder is.
Do you think if they took away the guns, people would just stop being violent? Or that they would just find another tool?
Honestly, just think about it for a minute.
What countries are you thinking of?
Technically no, a bullet wound is, or a stab wound, or blunt force trauma, but murder is the legal definition of a crime that involves death, circumstances, and intent.
I think that they would find another tool, be forced to decide whether to commit to a close quarters fight to the death instead of sitting back and spraying from a distance, and in the vast majority of situations the overall outcome will be far less severe and easier for police and security to contain.
Have you really thought about it?
Do you think this is the only alternative? Did you already forget about the mass murderer with a truck? Or a bomb? Or a lighter? Or an airplane? Or any number of dozens of other ways you can murder people without putting yourself in harm’s way?
Outside of potentially a car or truck, all of those things take significant time and planning.
The reality of most murders is that they do not happen when given a cooling off period. Similar to suicides, they’re often situational and in the moment.
Regardless, this individual shouldn’t have had a firearm.
And why is that?
If you read the article you would know
I did read the article. Doesn’t tell me anything. You must not be aware of how deeply flawed our criminal justice system is.
You’re so close yet so far.
You’re just far.
This guy shouldn’t have had firearms.
Meanwhile, morons perpetuate this lie and ignore the fact that the largest mass murders are committed with trucks and planes and bombs and any number of other weapons.
The Nice, France mass murderer killed more people with a truck than any mass shooter with a gun in American history.
Sure
Well at least we’re keeping it civil
What part of gun regulation do you think is gonna stop the news from putting it stories about people defending themselves from cops? Do you not realize what gun rights are for? Regulate the cops before you go figuring you can regulate anything else.
So you mean the exact thing the cops were trying to do? Did you even bother to open the article before posting your hot-take?
Yeah let’s attack the guy at home where he can bunker down when we know he has guns.
Cops are so fucking stupid…could just wait for him to leave the house and arrest him, but no, go play cowboy and get ur dumb ass cop buddies shot.
Congrats.
This is dumb as fuck, literally nothing about that mentions anything about firearm licensing. Did you understand the words you quoted before getting high and mighty?
It’s illegal for felons to possess firearms regardless of whether or not legal owners require licensing, and nothing in here says that they didn’t just get a tip that some criminal was stockpiling weapons.
The dude already broke several firearms laws, in addition to other violent crimes. This is the system working deal with violations - so what was the point of the original comment mentioning licensing?
Licensing reduces the number of guns in circulation and ensures that their owners are more responsible than the average unlicensed owner, making their guns less likely to end up on the black market.
So… Marshall’s could be trying to get guns out of felons hands AND guns should be regulated like cars. Also if you want civil talks don’t go around with " did ya even bother…", you sound like you’re more ready for a fight than a convo in my experience… (source: I too am like this at times)
I’m spicy certainly, but that’s because the comment was inherently unhelpful. Like shouting “genocide” in any Israel-Hamas thread, or “fuck Trump” it is a dead end of conversation where nobody learns anything, nobody has their beliefs challenged or critiqued, and no discussion occurs.
The in group feels better about themselves, the bad thing is chided, and the issue remains untouched. Build a polemic and defend it, share some white papers or research, even a dumb meme. But pithy comments are almost always masturbatory - and I’m guilty too from time to time.
Actually insightful.
Talk about hot takes, that is a direct quote from the article.
It’s important to understand words before using them.
Aside from waving your hand at the issue of gun deaths and violence, you offered nothing to the discussion without bothering to understand the scenario. You could have talked about why was this a police raid instead of a traffic stop, or what failure led to him being on the street after recent convictions, or the issues that drive gun violence and the toxic masculinity around them.
Was it you who called it a “hot take” in the first place ?
…yes? If you’d like to expand upon your point, I’ll gladly retract that assessment. But if you’re going to persist in low effort sealioning instead of getting somewhere and making a point or statement, I’ll take my time elsewhere
I’m not wasting my time or energy debating a bot or whatever you are over a proven undeniable fact