Well, Microsoft is getting ready to annoy its faithful Windows 10 user base with yet another prompt. This time, Microsoft wants Windows 10 users to switch from using a local account to their online Microsoft account.
It turns off in you install linux
Great success
Well said.
If you’re referencing the bypass used on new windows 11 machines they patched it.
Im not surprised really
I hope the person who implemented the bypass didn’t get shit for it. And fuck, hope there’s a new way
If there is I still can’t find it. I’ve been using a generic email address and creating a new profile deleting the Microsoft one. It’s annoying af
Rufus usb installer bypass
Unfortunately my boss doesn’t want us using Rufus. Please don’t ask me why, it doesn’t make sense.
Even if you put in a bogus user and pw three times? Not joking, that used to let you get a local account option.
Oh I tried a lot more than 3 times
Shift +F10 (shift+fn+F10 on some laptops) to open a terminal, during the initial setup. Then just type: oobe/bypassnro
PC will reboot. Don’t have Ethernet connected, don’t connect to WiFi and boom!
This is great thank you!
The bypassnro command still works though. Installed 23H2 in a VM yesterday and it worked fine.
It’s been mentioned multiple times already, but yeah, with each new action microsoft takes, it pushes me toward linux. I’m not currently on linux because I’m lazy, but my next build will be linux since I’ll need to install an OS anyway then.
ah this one is easy, it’s called use linux.
Stop coping and use linux.
This has been: your local linux user, thank you for having me.
This crap is getting annoying. Most people are office workers with no say about their day to day OS.
ok
Office workers will not be getting pestered to sign up for a Microsoft account.
you best be sure they’ll be paying for it though!
I love how microsoft is becoming more and more supportive of linux!! Thanks
(by making the switch to linux more enticing)
Obligatory “switch to Linux to turn it off” comment.
But honestly, Windows becoming more annoying and actively working against me is the reason I finally switched 4 months ago. It wasn’t that Windows is proprietary, or that Linux has some technological advantages (as Windows probably has others) or that I disliked the desktop environment or whatever. It got in my way, and that’s disrespectful and time consuming. I don’t want my OS to get in my way, I want to do things with my computer.
The irritating thing about all this is, at least if Raymond Chen is to be believed, the OS letting you do what you want without getting in your way was actually a/the core design philosophy of Windows up until probably the end of the XP era. It seems with Vista they started losing the plot, and by the time of Windows 8 Microsoft had fully committed to going completely off the rails.
Honestly, Windows 7 was kind of good. It’s the last Windows OS I could stand to use because it’s the last one that was offline. You could do whatever you want and update whenever you want, there were no ads in the start menu or whatever
How about reinstall it fresh and run that OOBE command during the initial setup? Idk if it’s still working or not
Haven’t they done this since like Windows 8 or even 7? Thought it was pretty much mandatory already tbh.
Not really. There’s always a skip or cancel button or “sign in another way” prompt somewhere. I think this means they’re going to start prompting people more often.
I had switched to Linux the moment they introduced Win10 and telemetry back when, with great success. Dual booted for a long time for gaming but even that is no longer needed now since a few years ago. built my first amd only rig in 2019 which was a game changer.
I made it through until Win11 announced (Had to because of work). Once 11 was announced I just said fuck it, and have been Linux since.
I no longer have any computers in my house running windows except a 10 year old Laptop that is available for the really weird and off windows requirements (like ESPHome programming)
Boy were you ever late. :p I switched when Win2k was no longer viable & the option would have been WinXP - that was already phoning home.
ITT: dudes stroking their cocks with the thought of Linux numbers increasing.
2024 is the year of the Linux desktop
/s
All shall tremble before the might of the obscure OS with their mighty percentage usage of…
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3.77%!
[Users being treated as owners of their hardware instead of sheep to fleece]
Linux people: oh fuck yeah spread it
SAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE LINUX INSTALL SAAAAAR
Knock it off, Microsoft. You’re not my buddy, you’re an OS. Your job is to sit down, shut up, and run the programs I choose. That’s it.
If I find a function that’s useful for more than a week, I might make a batch file for it. Until then, you’re spare code.Man I have to take this tone with every LLM I talk to.
You’re not mah buddeh Guy!
I’m not your guy, friend!
I’m Guy your friend, not!
I’m not your friend, buddeh!
Personally I love that Microsoft did this. Please keep making windows more and more shit and annoying to use so people will switch to something else
You vastly underestimate the tolerance of an average user who barely knows their way around a web browser and Word.
My mom doesn’t even have a computer. She’s already retired so there’s not much money to squeeze from that demographic. In my late 20s, 30s and 40s I could build a new computer no problem. I use Linux. There’s no going back ever. Unfortunately I use windows at work cuz I’m forced to do that and I occasionally have to help my wife to windows some shit. No, my kids are going down the Linux rabbit hole.
I said the same thing, until the kids needed to use Office365 for school.
And NO, Libreoffice won’t cut it because the school is deeply entrenched with Microsoft - it’s not just using Word or whatever, but all those OneDrive things that are so tightly integrated.
So they run Windows, and I hate it. My work laptop also runs Windows, and I hate it. But there’s only so far you can take your idealism if you still want to be part of a normal functioning society.
My home server rocks Linux and Docker and whatnot. But work and school? Just accept it.
Can’t you use Office and OneDrive online?
Yeah, you just need a browser and you’re set, you could even use a tablet, no need for windows.
There has to be a resistance. Basically all of us who know our way around a computer, we simply quit helping the rest and bam Microsoft is history. And I think that’s happening now. I’m simply not going to push that shit into my kid’s life. I have a simple mind and I’m simple minded. Here I am typing on a little rectangle of glass and plastic with one finger. I’m writing more than a few words a day to many strangers. There’s no need for 15gig or you pay google powered AI one drive shit. You know that. Me, I would like to own my works of art. Wether it’s this very response or a photo. I want to know where in my computer the thing is stored and I would like for Microsoft to not have access to it. It’s a privacy issue. All the big companies are going to hit the privacy wall soon. Besides their shitty software, they will be hit by legal battles. If they win, we all loose. If they loose, then maybe, just maybe our kids will grow up with computing options that are there to help them and not to take advantage of their labor. Man, I’m willing to stand up in front of a PTA meeting and say this. I’m just tired of these tech corporations running loose and taking away our future. That’s all.
Windows users will add a new PowerShell command or registry hack to the pile of shit to do to clean up a fresh install, and keep complaining that Linux is too hard.
Lol yeah I keep hearing about the commands and stuff people have to do at Win11 installation to stop it from forcing you to have an account or satisfy MS’s ridiculous TPM requirements. I hear about the commands people run to disable (most) telemetry, and the registry edits people use to prevent Windows from spawning ads, etc.
And I’m like damn, why is windows so complicated? It should never be required that a user open a terminal/command prompt.
Man, Microsoft really seems like they don’t want power users on their OS anymore. Forced AI junk, Ads, MS accounts, and all kinds of other junk. Waiting to see what the Linux Desktop adoption numbers are this fall.
Sounds more like they don’t want any users
they dont, they want subscribers
The modern software industry is a blight upon this world. I should know; I’m part of it.
As much as I like to see this sentiment, I think now as ever the people who actually follow through with moving to Linux will be few in number.
Most users who get fed up and decide the hell with it are likely to just buy a Mac instead, as revolting a development as that may be.
are likely to just buy a Mac instead
That’s fine, actually. I can talk to a Mac user. I can say things like “it’s in a folder under your Home directory” and they will know exactly where that is. Windows users will just stare at you, slack-jawed and drooling.
Windows user A will not know what their home directory is and will respond as described. Windows user B will assume that it is their “my documents” folder, which may or may not be the case, because: Windows user C will know that there are effectively three home directories in Windows (/users/username, /users/username/documents, and /users/username/appadata/local) but that won’t help anybody determine which one some program actually put the goddamn file in.
Which has the exact same issues, but they are presented as “ecosystem” so it’s ok
yeah this was me. swapped to Mac. Couldn’t bring myself to sign up to all the debugging that would go into having a Linux based laptop. I left windows due to the overhead of disabling the bloatware, popups and general bullshit. I didn’t want to swap that for other ongoing issues. Just give me something that works. It’s an OS, not a hobby project
Yeah, but Mac is actually weird and unintuitive. Like, I never figured out that to install programs you have to drag them in. I just clicked on the icon after opening the .dmg
It’s so funny that you use the word “unintuitive” and the describe the most intuitive way of adding a program to your computer. 😁
How would I know to drag anything anywhere?
How do you get new furniture into your house?
Our way, since I’m a Windows and Linux user, of adding applications is a remnant from the old times. We have left the age where computers are maintained by men in white coats and powerful computers took up while buildings.
Apples way is more intuitive since it mimics how it most often works in the real world.
Computers should adapt to humans, not the other way around.
I add the furniture to my
configuration.nixand rebuild the whole house
My brother got a Mac for work. He couldn’t get used to the fact that a simple press of the Home key wouldn’t go to the start of the line; it goes to the start of the FILE.
Why??
Oh that would do my head in, i use home to go to the start of a line extensively
Adoption rate is increasing from what I’ve heard. But you’re right, Linux/a Linux distribution isn’t going to take over anytime soon.
But I think once those users truly switched to Linux, very few will switch back. Sure there’ll be the odd gamer who absolutely “needs” to play that one game which has anti-cheat that’s unsupported on Linux. But other than that, once you’re in, you’re likely in for good. And long-term you pass it on to your family, mainly your children (my first computer was a DOS/Windows machine mostly because my dad used the OS himself then).
Yeah, I switched to Mint back in 2019 and can’t imagine going back. I have a Windows dual boot for certain games, but whenever I use it it feels like such a terrible experience compared to Linux. I don’t think I’ve used it in a couple months because of that lol.
2023 was the year of the Linux laptop for me. 2024 is shaping up to be the year of the Linux desktop for myself as well.
Funny, I just picked up a Laptop for Linux. To help bring my self to a Linux Desktop.
What’s the tidiest distro these days?
I recommend Mint Debian edition. It’s pretty easy to get into, without a lot of the nonsense Ubuntu comes with.
I personally use openSUSE Tumbleweed, which has worked pretty well for me for the last 5 years or so. However, it’s a really bleeding edge distro and not Debian based, so you may have issues finding help (I’m available if interested).
Look around and find something you like. Anything Ubuntu, Debian, or Fedora-based should be pretty safe in the “getting help” department.
Mint Virginia. It’s easy distro to navigate. Has all the drivers. It’s quick and simple.
NixOS is the tidiest. Having all your configurations in one or two files is excellent
As a NixOS user myself, I wouldn’t recommend it to someone new to Linux.
The person never said they were new to Linux
Aye, I used Ubuntu back when I was working retail, as I’d put it on units which didn’t have Windows licences.
Every person is going to have different opinions as to what distro works best for them. What exactly are you looking for in an ideal operating system?
Best would be to try different ones and see which one works best for you, but if I had more of an idea of what you’re looking for and what kind of hardware you’re using, I’d be able to recommend some distros to try out.
Are you a power user? Do you prefer stability or always having the latest software? Do you value ease of use or do you consider yourself more of a power user? Do you want to learn how to use the Terminal, or whould you rather avoid it and use graphical tools instead?
Also different desktop environments, even on the same distro will provide vastly different experiences.
I’d say that depends a lot on what you want it to do. Are you looking for a very simple and easy desktop experience? Go with Ubuntu or one of its many derivatives. Do you pine for the glory days of RedHat? Go with fedora. Do you want maximal control over every facet of your computer? Arch.
the only reason i wouldnt recommend ubuntu nowadays is snaps. they make the system so sloooow.
Still sad because my Precision 5560 (same as XPS 9510) has this floaty trackpad bug on Ubuntu and Pop OS for whatever reason! (I haven’t tried any other distro). Much easier for me to swap to Linux on my laptop than my desktop because my laptop is just for Python, LaTeX, and MATLAB.
Dell even sells a 5560 with Ubuntu preinstalled, but they don’t make it available for users. But I have not for the life of me been able to get the track-pad bug to go away.
You could wait a couple of days and try ubuntu 24.04
with its much newer kernel it might not have that issue
Try a more modern kernel. Lookup installing mainline kernels on Ubuntu. Pretty easy.
Here’s the fix (yoinked from archwiki)
Sadly I’ve been at this thread and done this already, did not work :(
People think it’s just due to the trackpads being crap (and somehow Windows gets around it). I’ll probably never need to buy another laptop, but if I do I will probably not buy a Dell again regardless of how much I love every other aspect of this laptop.
Install Linux and be done with the microshit nonsense.
“Oh but this particular thing requires 20 minutes of my time to figure it out” then take 20 minutes. On windows you took a lot more, you can spare this
But “insert specific hardware or software here” doesn’t work in Linux! Then find alternate ways. I’ve used a Linux desktop for well over 29 years now, I had problems , like everyone else, but I never faced any of this and all the other bullshit from Microsoft. Bluetooth didn’t work? I got a different adapter that does have Linux drivers.
Linux is growing bigger and bigger, more companies will support it, just use it. Worst case you change problem a for problem b but at least you’re no longer paying to be spied on.
F everything about Microsoft
Exactly this, Windows has NEVER been a “it just works” desktop and people complain bitterly about it until Linux is offered… Suddenly “it works differently than windows” becomes an insurmountable obstacle people don’t dare to take
Even LTT did this in their windows vs Linux comparison a couple of years back. Basically they introduced every possible user error (like not realizing they were copying a 4 GB file and expected it to copy under a second) as a Linux problem… I mean, come on!
In the end it’s the exact situation as with pick up drivers… “Try to haul 10 tons of maneure on a Prius!”… Sure if you truly need to do that daily, stick with your truck, but the vast majority of pick up owners could have a normal sized car and barely would need to take special actions once a year
also, Linux is better at that kind of utility task.
It’s also always been strange to me, because the default response to any issue with Windows when I used it was “just reinstall”
Even at work, my laptop got kicked off of Active Directory - they tried to fix it for a couple days and ended up with“we have to reimage it”
Give me HTC Vive SR-Anipal drivers, HP Reverb G2 Omnicept SDK drivers (yes, I know it’s discontinued from 24H2), and I might consider switching to Linux.
So, not happening.
well aero was pretty, and the age of empires games were fun.
While I wholeheartedly agree with the notion of “switch to Linux if you can”, sometimes people can’t do this due to obscure work software, specific hardware they can’t afford to change, or something else.
I know that being on Linux all those Windows enshittification news appear very distant, but some people literally can’t escape Windows for now - it’s not only those who are reluctant - and those news are bad news.
For those who consider Linux, though - by all means go for it. You can install Linux alongside Windows (preferably on another physical drive, but same drive will do), and just tinker with it and see how it feels. Don’t just toy with it, actually try to use it. As with any system, it might seem a bit weird for your first few hours, but when (if) you’ll be ready to make a switch, you really won’t look back.
Linux is not just an “ideological” choice. It is faster (you may not notice this on Windows, but even on greatest of computers Windows is lagging a bit, and you’ll feel the difference); it doesn’t bombard you with anything, it doesn’t shill you anything, it doesn’t do what you didn’t ask, it just gets the job done exactly the way you want it to.
And it’s insanely satisfying. Silence and control. For once, you actually are a master of your system.
Choose some distribution that supports KDE Plasma desktop - be it Fedora KDE, Manjaro KDE, KDE Neon or anything else - they will all do. KDE will make your experience way more Windows-like, and it will be easier to switch. In fact, KDE is what Windows desktop wish it could be.
Or, if you feel nostalgic for Windows 7 era, choose Cinnamon-based distros, especially Linux Mint.
And just run it. The time is now.
If only AMD would get their asses to release a stable and functional ROCM implementation, I could migrate 100% to Linux.
have you tried the rocm docker containers that amd makes for your needs? it pretty much makes installing rocm on the base OS unneeded for me. https://hub.docker.com/u/rocm https://github.com/ROCm/ROCm-docker
AFAIK, cards older than GFX1030 require manual setup, including building parts of ROCM with modified flags, since v5.1
There is one extra step. I have an 6700xt, and with the docker containers, you just have to pass the environment variable
HSA_OVERRIDE_GFX_VERSION=10.3.0to allow that card to work. For cards other than 6000 series, you would need to look up the version to pass for your generation.Here’s an example compose file that I use for ollama that runs ai models on my 6700xt.
version: '3' services: ollama: image: ollama/ollama:rocm container_name: ollama devices: - /dev/kfd:/dev/kfd - /dev/dri:/dev/dri group_add: - video ports: - "11434:11434" environment: - HSA_OVERRIDE_GFX_VERSION=10.3.0 volumes: - ollama_data:/root/.ollama volumes: ollama_data:
