• Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    The guerilla wins if it does not lose. After 6 months of Genocide israel still isn’t even close to wiping Hamas. International opinion has completely shifted on israel showing the world what the Palestinians have actually been suffering from for over 75 years. Hamas is now growing in the West Bank and Lebanon, they are bigger than ever and israel is losing allies by the day because everyone realizes they are Nazis. Hamas has won in every single way.

    The only way one can pretend Hamas is losing is by saying that Hamas is responsible for all the innocent civilians that israel is brutally massacaring. But Hamas is as responsible for that as the Jews which families were slaughtered when they fought back against the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto.

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      5 months ago

      Wow. Are you really comparing Hamas, who want to eradicate all Jews, to the people who opposed being slaughtered by the Nazis?!

      If you want to support Palestinians, say that. But Hamas and Palestinians are NOT the same.

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        5 months ago

        Hamas does not want to slaughter all Jews that’s an Israeli fabrication. Hamas only targets people occupying Palestine. There are many Christians living in Gaza as well.

        Even the Christians only started getting killed by israel. Because israel wants to eradicate everyone from a different group than their own, like the Nazis did

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          5 months ago

          Have you read their charter? It literally says so:

          First, they believe in a day of judgement that requires the eradication of all Jews:

          "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)"

          They will do this by first destroying Israel:

          Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it

          Then they will proceed to do the same with the rest of the world:

          "Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’." (Article 32)"

          Hamas is literally founded with genocide in mind.

          It goes on to say that they will also refuse any peace treaty, and condemn those (such as Egypt) who have made peace or attempt any peaceful resolution with Israel

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            5 months ago

            That sentence does not say what you say it does whatsoever. It describes a battle with some Jews, not the eradication of all Jews. This is the actual charter of Hamas.

            The evidence is very clear as well. Hamas has never attacked any Jews outside of israel because they do not hate Jews. Hamas has also killed many foreign workers in israel on Oct7. They do not care about what religion or race the people occupying them have. The just resist occupation.

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      Ok, but see I’m not worried about Hamas, I’m worried about the rest of the population who is being slaughtered.

      Are their better off after the 7th, or they are worse but accept is better than dying passively? From their point or view, how do they feel about what will happen?

      I have a friend in Gaza and she’s really suffering. I don’t ask her too much because I don’t want to make her thing of the tragedy.

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        A lot of people got killed by the Apartheid in South Africa during the armed resistance. A lot of people died fighting against the Nazis… Your friend was suffering far before this mass Genocide started.

        Every day israel does not defeat Hamas but massacres innocent civilians trying to collect food they lose more reputation on the global stage. Israel went from nobody knowing how bad they were to being seen as Nazis in six months. 100 years of carefully crafted Zionist propaganda completely destroyed because they have gotten too arrogant and open about their crimes believing themselves invincible.

        Gaza went from having absolutely no chance of a future for Palestine because of the Abraham accords to having Spain and other countris now trying to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state.

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          5 months ago

          Given that:

          a) Israel is military much more powerful than Palestine b) Israel has US cover

          Do you think that

          a) Hamas was aware of was coming to them after the 7th October, or did they underestimate it?

          b) was the Palestinian people aware of what would follow, and did they accept to “pay for it”?

          Sorry if my wording makes it seem too cold, or pro Hamas or anti Palestinian or whatever. I just cannot find a better wording

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            Hamas was aware of was coming to them after the 7th October, or did they underestimate it?

            I don’t think even Hamas expected the 7 Oct attack to go this well for them. The Aljazeera doc on Oct7 shows that they were disoriented because they never expected israel to just open mid.

            It is still very possible Netanyahu let it happen to give him an excuse to invade and take over Gaza. I speculate that Netanyahu expected he would be able to beat Hamas though instead of dragging it on for so long. We are now 6 months in and that

            was the Palestinian people aware of what would follow, and did they accept to “pay for it”?

            It was a secret operation not a well discussed plan so no. Though support for Hamas has drastically risen after the Palestinians have suffered these atrocities on the hand of israel as they refuse to be oppressed longer.

            Only hindsight will give them the ability to judge whether it was worth it as we still don’t know what the result will be. If Gaza gets eradicated completely then of course they will say it was not worth. If they get their own state and the wall gets removed they will look at it differently.