• uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    It still befuddles me, especially since it’s a specific format for a horror story: A bunch of rich people pay through the nose for a once-in-a-lifetime experience, and of course it kills them (though the final girl might escape). The Menu was a recent example. Maybe to get Stockton Rushed should now mean to buy a super expensive experience or trip or thing that kills you.

    A drug named Stockton Rush would be super expensive, and the most amazing trip ever, and fatally toxic.

    So if you’re hiring someone to chart out your trip to Everest or the Titanic or the moon or something, it’s good to get your legal team to do some due diligence and make sure the company knows what its doing. (For a deeper dive, check out Behind the Bastards’ two-parter on Stockton Rush. All the warning signs were there he was doing mad science and not listening to his deep-sea experts.

    Also, the door that only can be opened from the outside was total early foreshadowing.

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      The restaurant for The Menu would have checked out unless you had an inside man there for the previous few months before the events of the movie. They operated for years, right up until the final night, as one of the best restaurants in the world.

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    It was a logitech controller, either an f310 or f710. The f310 is one of the best budget controllers ever, and I keep 4 at all times to play modded smash bros. There were a million things wrong with oceangate, but the controller wasn’t one of them.

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      3 months ago

      Logitech is the king of the budget device. I’ve had the same wireless mouse for almost 10 years give or take. Best 10 bucks I ever spent.

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        Counterpoint - I’ve had two Logitech mice, both dired with the same issue (dying RMB switch), and a Logitech keyboard which lost a key and you can’t buy replacements.

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      It was the F710 wireless one. I only remember because I thought they should at least used the wired 310 to eliminate interference and/or lag since you’re using the damn thing to steer a vehicle. I barely trust wireless controllers to save my life in Elden Ring; I sure as shit wouldn’t put my actual life on the line with one.

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    The problem wasn’t the game controller.

    The problem was using a composite construction for the pressure vessel that wasn’t pressure tested before diving.

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      irrc it was pressure tested, just not stress tested.
      a.k.a the first dive is almost guaranteed to go fine, but the next ones cause the material to gradually fail

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        3 months ago

        According to Behind The Bastards they could hear the carbon fiber hull deteriorating below 4000’ and Rush dismissed it as settling.

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          That’s because back then the Xbox controller was the only controller with good support on Windows. It was designed with the intention of being used with a Windows PC. Back then when you played a game with a different controller, it would still show you Xbox buttons. Even games like Dark Souls which are ported from the PlayStation.

          Writing symbols/characters on the button or coloring them doesn’t really change the controller in its foundation because you can map the buttons in any way you like anyway. What separates gamepads from each other is the layout and amount and type of buttons you have. The type here is an input-type meaning analog/digital, trackpad whatever. I also wouldn’t call the Steam Controller a Xbox or PlayStation controller, it’s a unique gamepad … a Steam Controller.

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    Just as a fun fact, it’s actually quite common for industrial machinery and the like to be controlled with a gaming controller. Like, a hundred things wrong with the submarine trip - but the PlayStation controller is genuinely one of the more legitimate aspects.

    They’re simply made well, easy to use, and typically extremely durable and long lasting.

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      The Navy has some periscopes on subs that are controlled by an Xbox 360 controller. They cited familiarity with soldiers making training easier, and cost reduction vs the old hardware. It was an easy decision.

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      Sure…where the failure of the device does not lead to inevitable death.

      In a situation where my life is 100% dependent on a device, said device must have gone through appropriate design and testing procedures.

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        I mean. Yeah. It does. The controller didn’t fail during the submarines trip lol. It was perfectly fine the whole time.

        Trying to over engineer a specific entirely new device when incredibly developed options already exist is kind of an engineering mindset failure that would only lead to more problems.

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          Well you’re clearly better informed about the status of the sub than i, but I’m just saying it’s unusual for a life support device to be something not designed for such a purpose.

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            The controller is not a life support device. It’s an input device. It is designed with the express purpose as being an input device.

            Again, any one million dollar “special submarine input device” they could have manufactured would be less tested and more prone to failure than a simple controller already subject to decades of research and both hands on and automated testing.

            I’m not trying to be mean to you and I hope you don’t take it as such, it’s just really standard practice.

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              In this context it absolutely is a life support device - if it fails, the occupants are dead.

              Do you have any other examples of a time where such a device is used in such circumstances?

              The best anology I can think of is planes, and none of them are using entertainment input devices AFAIK?

              As a scuba diver I have a buoyancy control device, which I am totally reliant on for life and thus I take 2. Did they even take spares with them? If they did then i can see this being a legit way of being safe.

              Not taking it as being mean - its an interesting conversation, hopefully you feel the same.

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          Hundreds of millions of people is likely an overestimate given the PS5 has sold only 50m and while there are likely sometimes multiple users per device, and likely some PC users, it’s unlikely there are anywhere near 200m. Additionally most of these users will be using Sony controllers - which I believe was not the case here.

          Further: all of those users are not expecting to rely on this device for their personal safety and continued existance.

          So just in the same way I don’t use a straw for breathing underwater, I also don’t get on deep sea submersibles controlled by a PlayStation controller that, at the point of design and manufacture, did not have life support anywhere near its specification.

          So to answer your question - no, an imaginary “hundreds of millions” of users using a device for an entirely different purpose is certainly NOT enough for me to entrust my life to. But that’s just me - you feel free to do you.

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              And?

              The discussion is around what the controller tells us about the approach to the design and development of the vehicle.

              The fact that there are people readily defending the use of an entertainment controller to navigate at the limit of human endeavour tells me how they managed to find people to sign up for this death ride.

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                  Look I get it, you want to argue about the cause. You go ahead and do that…but I’m here discussing the merits of inference in order to make judgements that may well affect longevity.

                  Good day.

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      It is also sort of like the WWII US grenade being modeled on a baseball because every young American knew how to throw a ball.

      Everyone has used gaming controllers, so it is a familiar control system.

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        Yeah I know, it’s actually the same one I use on my CNC machine. The OP just said PlayStation as kind of a general purpose term

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      Yeah, they are good controllers.

      But it shouldn’t have been the wireless one.

      And it shouldn’t have been the only controls on board.

      I bet all those industrial machines with controllers also have a physical emergency button build in.

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        I mean… most industrial machines have a stop button present on them (though not on the controller). I’m not sure that the sub having a “stop imploding” button on the inside of the hull would have done much good though

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      Yes they’re used, but they’re not THE ONLY method of control as it was in this disaster of a sub.