• lennybird@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    “Questionable decisions,” said the individual who had to dig back 100 years to find an example of any tangible progress made by such a 3rd-party…?

    I think I’ll go with the party that actually has a track-record of progress this half-century.

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        6 months ago

        Clear, substantive tangible records speaks nothing to the issue at hand that is discussing whether third-parties actually do anything…?

        Huh?

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          https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/9218081

          you will see that the issue is the provability of whether so-called third parties can achieve anything, and whether it’s provable that voting for them has supported a “greater evil”. i have demonstrated the success of so-called third parties, and its prima facie impossible to prove a counterfactual.

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            I have proved both of these things. Both With Nader and Perot, as well as showing the difference in actual progressive advancements between third-parties in Democrats is so great that there is little point in supporting a third-party — especially when the FPTP system mathematically goes against them.

            But any time you want to make a bet a 3rd-party candidate winning versus one of the two primary parties, I’ll happily take that bet on money.

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              I have proved both of these things.

              you literally cannot prove a counterfactual, so claiming you have reeks of intellectual dishonesty

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                6 months ago

                It’s a fact that 3rd-party lose universally all of their elections while often spoiling elections for the primary party that most-closely shares their interests. This is not a counter-factual; this is not Ad Ignorantiam.

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              6 months ago

              any time you want to make a bet a 3rd-party candidate winning versus one of the two primary parties

              this is a red herring and doesn’t address the substance of our disagreement at all

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                6 months ago

                It’s not really a red-herring; it’s simply putting money where your mouth is.

                It’s putting weight behind your words, and it proves my point.