That doesn’t surprise me, and yes it was always because of anti-competitive practices, so I’m all for more neutrality, I’ll just add 2 shower thoughts:
- Seeing that Brave is at the top of the browser list, I wonder how many selected Brave just because it’s at the top of the list and thought that this must be a good choice then, not because they actually like Brave.
- It’s nice to have such a thing for browsers, but it would have to be expanded to other apps as well, e.g. mail client. Oh well, maybe in another 10 years or so.
Cool icon? iOS users? Surely not!
The position is randomized.
Competition is healthy for a market, this is proof that people aren’t happy with the default browser and it’ll hopefully spur apple into improving their browser and in turn causing brave to improve even more
I mean sure I guess… but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don’t trust their bullshit at all.
After all who doesn’t want a crypto wallet in their browser? that’s the safest place for it right?
I guess if you have no experience with it then that’s a perfect response. Meanwhile I’ve got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I’d be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That’s money they didn’t have so they are fine with that.
I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.
I’m seeing a lot of down votes but no counter arguments.
Brave is garbage. It’s a cryptoscam adscam browser based on Chrome. For the love of god, use Firefox (or Vivaldi if you absolutely need chromium)
Brave is great, has configurable keybinds, nice default adblock block list, vertical tabs, syncing sessions without email, etc.
And on android it can play youtube vids on the background.
The crypto ads just get disabled on the new tab page, you don’t even have to go to the settings lol. And vivaldi is partially closed source btw.
There are crypto ads involved in the product though? Fuck that, even if it was default off
Brave is an interesting case, they found a way to make money that doesn’t involve tracking their users, making deals with google or be closed source lol
If you hate that fine, I definitely prefer that than the other alternatives lol.
At least on android Firefox has Google tracking built into the app among much other tracking/ads. If you don’t like Brave you may want to consider a Firefox fork. On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.
Edit: I forgot criticizing Firefox is wrongthink on the fediverse and will get you donwnvoted no matter what. Even if it’s in the context of advising people to switch FROM Brave TO a Firefox fork on Android.
On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.
Safari + AdGuard gave me no issues so far.
I’m not sure if fennec has it, it’s the core Firefox android build that is not published to the store.
Brave on iOS is one of the more legitimate ways of getting an ad blocker
Firefox has adblockers on mobile
Firefos add-ons don’t work on iOS, I literally just googled it to ensure I was informed before writing what you wrote.
I see. Another reaffirmation in my choice to not use iphone.
I have an android from 2018, it still works great and I can run adblock on firefox, eat shit apple!
Check out Orion! Firefox and Chrime add on support.
Edit: Also like Vivaldi. If you want device wide I can highly recommend NextDNS
@AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml @FatCat@lemmy.world Brave may have its flaws but at least it has an offline Dino game, what does Firefox have?
an offline breakout game
whats wrong with chromium?
It allows Google to continue controlling the Internet.
Unfortunately brave has the best desktop layout when using Samsung DeX.
Better than Kiwi?
Oh, haven’t tried that one. I have just experienced the awful aspect ratio on Firefox.
Are you saying you don’t like Firefox because they don’t like propaganda?
No.
*Links article about one of the best takes ever made by an online company
Wild
Cope and Seethe
I can’t say I disagree, I’ve long abandoned it on my PC.
But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone, so I’m still using it on my phone.
But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone
It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.
On Android you can use Firefox + uBlock Origin now
I just used YouTube revanced and set default YouTube links to go there
Las time I could not watch youtube vids in the background in firefox.
I also had trouble getting files that download multiple files at once to work on firefox.
Using Brave since years ago and it goes pretty smooth, good for them but first they should get out of Apple brand tbh.
There is zero reason to switch browsers on iOS, They all run the same engine. Safari also has extensions (which I believe 3rd party browsers can’t use).
Normal people don’t choose the browser based on the underlying engine
They all run the same engine for now. The EU wants to ban that too.
Again, this is why this law was such a big deal. Prior to this you were correct. Thanks to the DMA, you are wrong. Firefox will be running Gecko, and Vivaldi, Brave, Chrome, etc are allowed to ship their flavors of chromium.
*in the EU
Eh, that’s not true. Yes they run on the same engine, but there can still be different features overlaid on top, plus syncing history/bookmarks with your other devices.
The engine is by far the biggest part of a browser, but it is not the only part of a browser.
Also, EU users will soon have access to “real” different browsers.
Honestly I’d expect a much bigger jump
For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.
Use Firefox with privacy addons.
Don’t worry, Firefox downloads in the EU have also skyrocketed.
This is too far down.
Wasn’t the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?
Yes, until he was ousted for being trash as a person.
and Mozilla has been doing poorly since.
Mozilla was doing poorly when he was CEO as well. Google has been doing everything they can to force Chrome.
He was CEO for 11 days and in that time all he did was cause a bunch of websites to show a banner requesting that users install a different browser in order to not support a homophobe.
There was also a boatload of articles about his homophobia that brought Mozilla into disrepute.
The problem is appointing Mozilla leadership based on ideological purity rather than technical merit.
Firstly, who says that’s happening?
And secondly, this isn’t entirely about purity - even if you personally (and I’m not saying this is your view, btw) don’t give the slightest fuck about gay people and you’re fine with them having fewer rights/fine with others actively trying to strip their rights away - others aren’t, and it’s harmful to the business.
Eich was CEO for 11 days and achieved nothing other than a Firefox boycott, dozens of negative Firefox headlines, and Firefox being known as the homophobic browser.
Even from a cold-hearted “fuck human rights, I care only about market share” POV, Rich was still an awful CEO decision.
Would you hire a bigot to run your company so long as the numbers go up? Fuck that mentality.
But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.
There is one issues though… Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I’m Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don’t work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn’t to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.
I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But… Yeah that’s valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I’m almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.
This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.
Firefox is fine on mobile in my eyes.
At least the Android version, even on my 5 year old Exynos phone it does what I need / want from a browser. Allows (some) extensions, lets me zoom wherever I want to on any page, has a reader mode and is snappy enough on old hardware.
Chrome tries to be / do far too much for me, just fuck off and let me browse the web. I do like the dynamic colours that Chrome on mobile uses on different webpages, is hot.
However Chrome gives me dirty Microsoft vibes, and it’s pretty hard to shake that stank.
If your on iOS welcome to the walled garden. Hope you live in the EU.
Firefox and chromium both outperform Safari in performance tests, or roughly the same depending on the setup.
It’s Safari that’s the third rate browser. No one would use that shit if it hadn’t been forced on them and if the other vendors weren’t restricted by Apple.
There’s a reason Apple stopped making Safari for other platforms. It never caught on, 'cause it sucks. Safari can’t compete without Apple kneecapping the competition. They’re like a sports team that can’t win without playing on their home turf at 10000 ft altitude where they pump in crowd noise and drug the other team’s gatorade
Vivaldi and Firefox are better choices.
Vivaldi is the best!
Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google’s disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too
But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!
Floorp looks nice and customizable, but in terms of updates it doesn’t seem very sustainable yet.
I get updates every other week
but I think it’s in a weird spot with not having regular English patchnotes - and afaik they also use an older rendering-engine
The axis is somewhat misleading. A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
Edit: just saw from the comments this is the number of installs per day so its bigger than I thought
A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
It’s about a third. Imagine if your income went up by 30% in 24 hours, I reckon you’d be pretty happy about that.
Also - it tends to take months for a new version of iOS to reach a large number of users, and years to reach everyone. So a rapid growth rate (probably not 30%, but still fast) is likely to be sustained over quite a while.
It’s been one day
Yeah, I’m sure a lot of people are trying it out. I’m curious what the other options look like and how many continue using them after the initial install.
That graph is manipulated as fuck. When starting at 0, it wouldnt look that crazy
It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero
No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.
We are not talking about Apple graph madness
Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.
The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.
Not really, no. You use a point of reference that’s clearly labeled. If you’d start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.
I don’t use Brave due to lack of uBlock Origin support. Otherwise it seems like a decent browser.
Thing is, on iOS, at least in the past, Firefox had no uBlock origin support, which pushed Brave’s adblocking capability to the #1 spot.
makes sense
Not just in the past, you still can’t install addons in (any browser) on iOS. brave is basically the only option because it adblocks without addons.
I’m so glad they included a key otherwise I wouldn’t know what the green line represented.
They are probably just trying to pump their token with these posts.
They might be, but they are also right.
Does that default browser screen allow you to install with setting the OS default?
I dont know wtf this is about; I have NEVER had a problem switching default browsers in ANY environment.
After you install the 17.4 update or when setting up the phone it’ll ask what browser you want as your deafult. Before this and still in other countries you have to manually search and download a browser and set it as the default.
I was a bit confused too. So all that’s changed is a specific splash screen during new phone setup prompting the user to pick a default browser?
yes, because the average user doesn’t even know there are different browsers, and that they can change the default one, which is great to “vendor lock” your own browser, in this case Safari from iOS
Gotcha, but even in that case, what’s convincing most of those average users from picking a different browser? The logo? “Ooh pretty lion?”
Some might be aware others exist but not be quite tech savvy enough to figure out how to have it be the default. I downloaded Firefox for my ex on her phone but the default was still chrome so whenever she clicked a link on an app it would just open on chrome. If this pop up had happened she would have chosen to make Firefox her main browser when opening links and stuff. She did use it when browsing normally, Chrome was just the default for all other apps.
Hell you dealing with iPhone users here, they barely know that the device they use in this technically a computer. You’ve got to basically spoon feed them basic stuff like other browsers exist.
IPhone and Mac users in general. A friend of mine was an Apple sales rep for many many years and holy crap I dont know how he didnt go on a killing spree
I used to work for Apple technical support and the stupidity of your average Apple user drive me up the wall, it’s left me with a very negative view of their clientele.
My favorite was the person that threatened to sue me personally because he had dropped his iPhone on a glass table and it had broken the glass table and the iPhone. And he was mad that Apple wouldn’t cover his costs.
