I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7
I got into SOOOO much trouble over the years by whipping that out from time to time, lol.
Good to see it here. Thank you.
I understand. I had an uncle who often got in trouble over the years for whipping stuff out.
Well played.
Shit, the Gnostics already knew this (and dearly paid for it). Few centuries later the Cathars underwent the exact same fate for the exact same reason.
Does this image feel super anti-Semitic to anyone else, or is it just me?
Satan’s a Christian thing, this has nothing to do with Judaism. Edit oh yeah and Jesus is there too
You know the entire Old Testament came from Judaism right? It makes up something like 3/4ths of the Bible.
Also, Jesus was Jewish.
Of course, but “derived from” != “is”. This is clearly, specifically supposed to be God - Christian edition
I think they were talking about God’s nose. Kinda sus.
I am kind of confused, actually. So god, the almighty being, Adam and Eve and the devil together in the garden of Eden. Why put the devil in the garden of Eden if you don’t want it to lead the two people astray? But since god is all-knowing, it knew the devil was going to do that, so god created the situation for the “original sin” to happen instead of creating a perfect world where there is no sin.
It makes no actual sense.
The whole thing would make a lot more sense if God weren’t all-knowing. Like, maybe he could just be unfathomably-knowing but not know literally everything?
Putting my Christian hat back on, I don’t see anything wrong with that personally.
Just wait till you get to the part where God makes a human version of himself that he sends down to the planet to be killed by the humans which for some reason will open the door to a perfect place that he could have opened at any time he wanted
To be fair the idea of Satan hadn’t been invented yet and in Genesis God is just one of many gods also that God isnt all good.
It gets confusing because the continuity errors from retrocons. Highly likely the original story was a group of gods created the world, one of those gods created a tribe, and another god decided to mess with that tribe. Later on the group of gods got condensed into one and the god that put the snake in got demoted to evil angel status.
if their story is to be believed, it was 100% intentional knowing all that would happen.
The only reasonable conclusion is that god wanted to LARP as the white knight and save everyone. I’d really hate to see what his Dark Side campaign looked like.
Not really, but its what I expect from someone who go their theology degree from Edgy Youtube University
Look, either 🎼he’s got the whole world 🎵 in his hands 🎶 or he doesn’t 🤷
As a former Christian scholar, I can say with confidence that you’re entirely incorrect. Sit down.
As a current Christian scholar with a minor in Divinities from a Jesuit university, I call you a lair.
Didn’t score high enough to get into Hogwarts?
Well enlighten us then. How did the almighty and all-knowing creator of all things not see Lucifer’s rebellion coming and thus intend for it to happen? Go on, show your work.
Edit: Grammar
I don’t remember what story, but I liked one that described the universe as a machine to sort good soul matter from bad. There has to be a bad choice and there has to be fee will in order for the sorting to work.
Of course if you think too much about it while stoned, you can throw in a little reincarnation so you’re getting purer evil vs purer good, each time you run through the sort. At that point it probably ends with “So long and thanks for the fish”
Nonreligious but I always kinda thought of the whole thing the same way that evangelion teaches. Where pain and suffering are critical for pleasure. You can’t win without losing being on the table. Without suffering and death good or evil there’s only apathy and numbness. And that’s why God created evil. Without evil your neither good or bad because everything is predetermined and maybe God is just a bored writer trying to put a little bit of drama to make this world he made interesting. Ya never know we might be his version of star wars or Lord of the rings. As a artist you can say I’m god in the eyes of my OCS and I never make my worlds comfortable utopias because no one would be interested in seeing that story continue on for thousands of years let alone billions.
Obviously, the omniscient and omnipotent creator of the universe didn’t know what was going on and could do nothing to stop it.
Wait a minute…
I’m seconding that guy’s request to show your work. Is God in control or not? And either way, did he or did he not know Lucifer (or whatever you wanna call em) would facilitate evil and terrify believers?
(Edit): Also gonna leave this verse from another comment here
Isaiah 45:7 - “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
I only watch youtube for trailers and nothing more so…
Man, I want an R-rated film about the bible. With all the gory, crude, sexual details. That orgy where people cum literal buckets. Adam and Eve having kids, that fuck each other and have kids for a few thousand years to populate the earth, what angels look like, some old dude killing his sons (does he actually go through with it? I can’t remember), all that shit.
Wow that’ll be a instant hit
You forgot the laser beams coming out of the eyes to smite assholes like Er,
Not the artist but i have credited them by not removing his logo/sign from the art.
I just find that entire story… strange.
Like god just said “fuck you” and offed a jerk for no apparent reason. And then offed his brother because of levitate marriages and he refused, wanting the said jerk’s inheritance.
So of course the widow has to seduce their father to get a son so she doesn’t have to live in poverty.
What a beautiful and caring society they had.
And the lesson Catholics take from this? “Contraceptives are bad,”
That’s… Not the story you think it is…
Gen 38.
Go ahead, explain it to me… I linked it below, if you want to remind yourself of the text.
Restating the incorrect answer is not going to make it true, no matter how much snark you add, thanks.
You should probably read it. Yes, I paraphrased it a bit sarcastically, but I’m not wrong.
According to the story…. Judah’s son- Er - is killed by god; more or less because he’s a jerk. Or because he was ugly. Or whatever.
Who knows.
He was wicked in the Lords sight
Dude. Are you ok? 🤦🏼♂️
Idk what you are talking about as i have never read much of the book but i’d like a tldr
It’s genesis 38, and a rather quick read if you’re that curious.
But the long and short of it is that Judah got his son, Er a wife, named Tamar. Er was “displeasing” or “evil in the sight of god”, so he got smote. That is, god killed him. Er had no heir, and in accordance with the time, she was married off the her brother-in-law Onan.
The idea being that Onan gets her pregnant and the son becomes Er’s heir. This provided Tamar with income since she would then manage her hypothetical son’s interests until he was of age.
Anyhow Onan wanted the inheritance for himself (he was next in line, and Judah was wealthy- the founding patriarch of the kingdom of Judah.)
So, he pulled out. (“Spilled his seed on the ground”.) so god offed him for being a greedy dick, too.
His third son was too young so Judah sent her back to her father, until he grew up (something that wasn’t honored.) so, one day Judah is going out to sheer some sheep, sees a prostitute and offers her a goat. The prostitute asks for collateral (his seal and some other stuff. A walking stick.); when Judah has a goat sent to the shrine for her, uh, service the messenger can’t find her and is told there’s no hookers.
A few months later, Judah is told Tamar is preggo, from prostitution, people want her stoned. So she goes before him and says she was never paid for sex, and therefore not a hooker; and that her child’s father gave her a seal. (Yup.)
The scripture did say that he didn’t do it again…(sure we believe you.)
That’s such a confusing story. Sounds like something a few goat herders from 2k years ago would come up with.
Wow god cares a lot about others hooking up or not to kill them for it huh . What a fucking creep and wimp .
