Since that’s a video link:
“It’s not just that 30,000 people, two-thirds of them are women and children, have already been killed. We are looking at the possibility of hundreds of thousands of children starving to death,” Sanders said. According to Gaza’s Healthy Ministry, Israel’s bombardments and ground assaults have killed more than 30,000 people in the besieged strip, and others are dying of starvation.
“The United States of America cannot be complicit in this mass slaughter of children,” Sanders said Sunday during an interview on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” The administration, he added, “can’t beg Netanyahu. You got to tell him ‘If you want any money, you have to change your policy. Allow the trucks to come in to feed the children.’”
Sanders, who also remains insistent that Hamas must be destroyed, has called on Biden to enforce the Foreign Assistance Act, which says that the U.S. will not send aid to any country that blocks or restricts the flow of U.S. humanitarian assistance.
“It turns out that Israel is in violation of the law. Stopping American humanitarian aid is in violation of the law. That should be clear. No more money to Netanyahu’s war machine to kill Palestinian children,” Sanders said Sunday.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/10/sanders-netanyahu-palestinians-israel-00146152
The only thing Israel will listen to is is cutting their funding, and legalling we are required to cut their funding.
But Biden won’t do it.
Like he’s said for 50 years, he’s a Zionist. He can’t criticize Israel no matter what
You’re missing context. This is an election year in the US. Biden is running against Trump, who said Israel should "finish the problem” by continuing and expanding bombing of civilians. So, as bad of a choice it is, proponents of peace should vote, and vote Democrat. At least until we can reform this shitty Electoral College/2-party system we currently have…
At that point there won’t be a Gaza.
You’re using context to justify support for genocide.
Biden should stop supporting genocide.
Israel can then get their weapons and money from Russia or China, who have fantastic records on genocide.
As a bonus Israel can then give US military secrets to their new benefactor, giving them an edge in defeating western weapon systems deployed in Ukraine and Taiwan.
There is no easy solution here.
The fuk?
The fuk Israel gonna get their weapons from if Biden stops selling to them? I already told you.
Dumbest Lemmy user.
All those weapons that Israel has are western weapons. Meaning that Israel would have to buy new artillery, aircraft and mechanized units in order to use Russian/Chinese calibers and Launch Systems. Not to mention that politically Russia and China don’t remotely align with Israel and actively campaign and work against them. Nuance, like the other user said, would help you, but so would being quiet.
Yeah, Ukraine is turning its nose up at Bradleys, F-16s, and Patriot missiles. After all why change from their old Soviet and Warsaw pact systems?
And yeah, Russia and Israel are totally not aligned, which is why Russia and Israel never made deals to stop supplying each others enemies with weapons.
Putin and Bibi are total enemies!
Now of course Bibi walked some of this back after some US pressure, but that pressure is in the form of further aid and weapon sales.
Do you see the dilemma more clearly now?
Good luck having a nuanced position that confronts geopolitical reality on social media. I love Bernie, and I agree with his position here, but he only has the luxury of having this position because he’s not president. Joe Biden is going to do whatever it takes to maintain an American presence in the Levant, and so would any other president. The consequences of turning Israel over to Russia or China would be calamitous–as in, the end of US hegemony–because we don’t have an alternative in the region.
It’s futile, let these very useful folks chant “Genocide Joe” and then put on their best shocked pikachu faces after Trump mysteriously wins. I don’t support genocide, but I also don’t support two rogue nuclear super powers actively stealing territory from their neighbors every 3-4 years while ACTIVELY pursuing genocide.
Like the solution to the trolley problem for these people is to deny the trolley even exists or that they are at the switch.
have they even threatened to do something like that? i don’t think that would work out for them.
They have made veiled threats before:
In an ideal world nobody would sell Israel arms until they stop the genocide and begin a two state solution, but in reality Israel has options, options that are far worse than the status quo.
i think that’s bluster. in fact, i say “let them”. let them. i don’t want to be complicit in their genocide. let them beg putin.
Diplomacy and stability don’t run on embracing the unknown. There is a non-zero chance Russia will give Israel all the weapons it needs, there is Russian influence in Israel and Russian Jews hold significant sway in Israeli politics.
How much do you think Russia cares about genocide when they are actively committing one in Ukraine? Maybe think about how much Russia cared about how many civilians Assad has killed.
Russia and China have backed Hamas.
Russia and China also back Israel. FirstTime.jpg?
Oh in that case genocide is totally okay then. Disgusting logic.
Sounds like a tiny baby. Stop pretending you care about humanity.
You don’t need to be insulting just because you know your position on genocide is indefensible.
Nobody mentioned Trump. This is about Biden. It is so pathetic that this exact same argument comes out of the woodwork every single time someone rightfully criticizes Biden on this issue. The US is funding a genocide and all you people can do is wring your hands and bitch about how Trump is worse. Biden is the president, and mistakes he makes are on him.
There is no missing context. You are just trying to make this conversation about the election instead of about doing what is morally right and should be expected of any humane, democratic president.
Ah yes, handwave away important context by claiming there is no missing context. There are only two options in this matter. Tearing down option 1 only leaves option 2, which will be far worse for the people you pretend to care about.
Go back to your troll farm.
So by your logic when is the next time we’re allowed to criticise Biden? Won’t it be too late for Gaza by November? It’s basically already destroyed
the people you pretend to care about.
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Go back to your troll farm.
Not sure why it’s so hard for you to believe I’m being genuine?
They aren’t missing the context. This is an anti-Biden movement, not a pro-Palestine movement.
They sure would look silly if Biden stopped supporting genocide, huh?
Ahh yes, as if calling beetlejuice, here is one of them now.
I want Biden to win. Continuing his support for genocide will cause him to lose.
Would you rather have genocide and Trump than no genocide and Biden?
This doesn’t even make sense.
You can’t fathom not supporting genocide?
You know, this “2/3rds of them are women and children!” argument is so paper thin. Every society is going to be 2/3rds women and children.
I’m sure the men don’t want to die, but hey fuck them; they’re men!
Reporting from the UK indicates around 9000 of the dead are Hamas operators. Hamas needs to go ASAP, hopefully they don’t take more women and children with them.
You know, this “2/3rds of them are women and children!” argument is so paper thin.
You’re nitpicking opposition to genocide.
You’re nit-picking my opposition to neo-nazis and US insurrectionists.
Which one is Bernie Sanders?
A useful idiot who helped get Trump elected; and the process rolling.
You got your second choice in 2016.
Gross.
I agree. Really sucks how easily you guys are manipulated.
While it does get grating to keep hearing men excluded as if they’re all combatants, the less cynical interpretation is that woman and children are unambigiously non-combatants. In the overall context of the incredibly dehumanizing language used to describe these killings it’s probably one of less harmful framings in my view.
It’s simply a way to tug on the heart strings of people who know nothing of war.
Oh I misread your comment. Nevermind, you’re someone who takes joy in the death of civilians but is hung up on the use of language about men?
Not hung up on anything, tbh. Pointing out a red herring.
…destroy everything that supports Hamas. Everything.
This is called “genocide”. People with a sense of ethics oppose genocide.
Comparing innocent Palestinian children to 18th century slaveholders is a gross attempt at justifying genocide.
don’t forget about the Israel Anti-Boycott Act.
This man has never considered criticism of Israel to be anti-Semitic (or at least not in the near past). And he’s Jewish.
He wanted to protect Gay people, transgender people, black people, atheists, Muslims or simply all Americans. He wanted to end our main political parties practice of favoring lobbyists over the citizens. Unfortunately that obviously goes against American values so yeah, Biden vs Trump Part 2. 🤦♀️
Bet he gets stripped of committee positions for this.
I mean if they did, the Democrats can start selling speedos to ride the incoming red wave.
These kids need to learn who gets them elected.
Sanders actually uploads a video of his speeches in congress on this subject at least once a week over on his YouTube channel. Been really consistent in this message.
Has Israel called him antisemit yet?
I think so.
I’ll never forget what the Democratic party did to Sanders. Hillary gave us Trump.
That wasn’t hillarious.
It was Hillary-less
You’ve got that right.
Bernie said some Israel comments basically identical to everything he has been saying for a month, nobody has anything to say about it so we just have 50 comments debating the depth to which we should suck his dick. What a tiring comment section.
What a tiring comment section.
I’m sorry that you’re being forced to read it.
Bernie finally wants the genocide to end?
Yes…?
Shame on Bernie Sanders. Five months into this genocide and he still can’t bring himself to call for a permanent ceasefire. The most moral senator of this imperialist murderous country is a Zionist who wants Israel to be nicer when it resumes its war on the besieged people of Gaza. It makes me sick.
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/bernie-sanders-gaza-cease-fire-israel-palestine/
Quit your troll farm bullshit. You didn’t even bother clicking the link, did you?
1 day old account acting like a 1 day old account
Guess he’s going to have to speak to his colleagues. So far he’s lost these votes.
Bernie is one of the most savvy politicians in US history.
He didn’t win the 2016 race for president. But he determined the direction and scope of Democratic policy almost in its entirety.
His leadership led to the modern progressive movement.
His policies basically became Bidens 2020 campaign.
His leadership is the direction Bidens’ campaign will have to go if they want to get elected.
Its just a great example of how to actually wield power.
I would like some of whatever you’re smoking.
Just a basic read of history. Maybe try the news?
But he determined the direction and scope of Democratic policy almost in its entirety
I wouldn’t agree with this.
In terms of the progressive wing pushing the agenda under Biden, Liz Warren has had far more direct impact.
Warren was rather famously successful in landing allies into key positions in banking, education, and labor regulatory agencies. These are the sort of moves that are less flashy, but have played a large part in why we’ve seen things like debt cancellation pushes and a resurgence in antitrust action since Biden took office.
What you are talking about happened after the election and the point I made was that Biden ran on a lift and shift of progressive policies, specifically, that it wasn’t Bidens policies that got him elected, it was Bernies policies that got Biden elected.
I’m sure the friends Warren keeps are more palatable to Biden then the company Bernie keeps. But if Biden is looking to get elected again, he might reconsider how his bread gets buttered.
