Turns out yes, things can get much worse for Palestinians if Republicans win in November.
They won’t win.
Things can get much better for palestinians if nobody votes for red or blue
I’m not from America. I only know Trump and Biden. Are republicans trump side?
Yes
Good thing Genocide Joe is doing his best to kill all Palestinians before then.
When I hear things like Dearborn MI is voting for Trump, there’s a sick part of me that wants to see what would happen if the Arab community was the reason Trump got into power.
Like, I understand that you’re very angry with the current situation but are you actually going to ruin your life and that of millions of your supposed brothers in the middle east to express that anger? Do people forget what Trump did as soon as he was in office last time?
If both parties are going to genocide Arabs while they’re in charge, the blood is on their hands and no one else’s. Only assholes and morons will blame Arabs in the US for the massacre of Palestinians.
…which translates to genocide.
Practice on yourself, traitor.
He is simply saying what the majority of US political elites are thinking.
Shove this in the face of the GeNoCiDe JoE!!1!1!1 idiots who can’t seem to grasp that they face a binary decision.
What’s fun is that I regularly ask, “who should I vote for to prevent Trump from being president?” I rarely get an answer, but I do get told I support genocide. It’s extra-fun when I tell them I want to stop Trump to stop people like my queer daughter from being the victims of a genocide. That often makes them double down on telling me how much I want there to be a genocide.
I’ve even been told I should care more about people on the other side of the world than my own daughter’s life.
I am extremely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause and absolutely condemn Israel’s genocide… but at the expense of my own child’s life? Fuck no.
Anything to stop Trump and Republicans from putting queer people in “conversion” camps where they’re tortured to death. Because that’s the goal.
Last election I got to vote for “grab 'em by the pussy” or “black kids are just as good as rich kids” (or something similar. I can’t remember the quote exactly and I don’t have time to look it up).
This election I get to vote for genocide or genocide. I can’t wait.
If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black jack
I can’t believe anyone is so fucking willfully ignorant they can’t see how much worse Trump is, but here we are.
One of these people was trying to do some good and made a verbal fumble probably caused by years of conditioning that got him where he is today and yes, old people say stuff like this by accident. He probably does have racist thoughts that he knows are bullshit but were put there by the shit job older generations have done in building society.
The other guy is a raging psycho who echoes Hitler phrases in his speeches.
Maybe vote to stop genocide of people in the country in which you live over a genocide that would happen whether or not Biden was in office because Trump would support it too.
Show me the current genocide of queer people in america.
Show me 1000’s of queer people being starved, left without power, medical help, water.
Show me the current genocide of queer people in america.
The same place the genocide of queer people in Germany was in 1932. Do you know what happened in 1933? Do you know what happened between 1933 and 1945?
But please, do tell me who I should vote for that has a statistically likely chance of winning the U.S. presidential election in November and will also definitely end the genocide in Israel. Give me that name.
Idgaf who you vote for.
Once again, you do you, but don’t come to me wanting my vote to help you re-elect Ol’ Genocidin Biden.
I’m not here to stop you, I am here to make sure everyone realizes they are supporting someone who has ACTIVELY helped Israel commit genocidal actions.
Not passively, he bypassed congress twice already to send them more fucking shells.
You are once again hung up on what someone might do compared to what they know someone else is doing.
Idgaf who you vote for.
Because you don’t care about queer people.
but don’t come to me wanting my vote to help you re-elect Ol’ Genocidin Biden.
Because you don’t care about queer people.
You are once again hung up on what someone might do compared to what they know someone else is doing.
I’m sure you think that because you don’t care about queer people.
The whole phrase ‘bypassing Congress’ is propaganda. It’s literal weapons sales. Those are not required to go through Congress. I disagree with those sales, but what he’s doing is perfectly legal and not backhanded.
Not to mention trump would do the same if not worse in terms of foreign policy “genocide”
Agreed, although they usually say I shouldn’t vote for either option as if there is a viable third possibility of a winner even though they never name that person when I asked… except for one guy. He said Cornel West. His reasoning? Both Trump and Biden could die before November and then Cornel West would win because anything is possible in the universe. Seriously.
I mean, many things are possible, including that outcome, whereas FTL and time travel do not seem to be possible. The question is, how probable is that outcome, and can you do anything to steer matters to it in a realistic way? I’d have to say that anyone sane enough to actually effect that outcome is too sane to come within a kilometer of even spending the time to plan it, let alone actually try it and die on the protective detail’s bullets.
Honestly, I’d rate FTL and time travel as slightly more probable than electing a third-party candidate as President.
trump would do the same if not worse
The orange mobster has displayed his intentions against Muslims and it is far worse. Biden has sent several envoys to warn Israel that what they are doing is alienating the world and consolidating Arab support against them which will result in even more violence against Israel. For Biden to go against Israel publicly would hand the election to the orange tyrant.
I’ve even been told I should care more about people on the other side of the world than my own daughter’s life.
Most likely they don’t have children of their own. Easier to say dumb shit like this.
Very possibly, and maybe they also had parents who didn’t have much love for them, but to not understand or agree with the concept of a parent putting their own child first? That’s very weird.
I have 5 kids and I am the one who told them that.
They said they were afraid of their child going to a conversion camp.
I said that we can fix mistakes if everyone is still alive and pointed out that they would have to be the one to put them in the camp.
So yes, I believe that the importance of irreversible death is more important than temporary troubles.
I stand by that.
Alive?
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/lgb-suicide-ct-press-release/
But I’m guessing you’ll say those suicides were their fault, not the conversion therapy’s, so anyone put in those camps will be just fine.
Because you don’t give a shit about queer people.
100% the camps fault.
Who put them in the conversion camps to start with?
Their parents for now.
When Trump wins? Probably the government. Which is the whole fucking point of why I WANT TO KEEP MY DAUGHTER ALIVE.
For fuck’s sake, you seem to think I should just abandon her or something. Why are you so goddamn callous about the lives of queer people?
Once again you try to redirect this towards me being against queer people.
No problem at all with them and wish them all the best.
So you think that if trump wins the government might go against all previous examples and pass a law to force minors into conversion camps?
Maybe, but I guarantee you that other people’s children are starving, dying, and suffering right now.
But they are far away and brown so they don’t matter.
I think these people are more typically from troll farms than genuinely pro-Palestine, but some of theme probably are that stupid as well. I guess it’s a mixed bag.
We are just sick of our government assisting Israel in its genocidal actions.
You want my vote, earn it.
Israel/US relations were at an all-time low under Biden already before the attack, and there’s every indication he’s using every back channel he has to make Netanyahu slow down his genocide. Sometimes diplomatic solutions are more efficient than a public Circus.
Honestly, at 30,000 dead.
Maybe it’s time we just step back and let Israel deal with the consequences of its own choices.
Shit let’s just start a new diplomatic relationship with one of their enemies.
We can be all like “Look here’s plenty of guns, ammo, and missiles. We are friends now, have fun!”
Yeah, US cutting its unconditional support to Israel was overdue decades ago. Howevers, as long as the rest of the political landscape doesn’t follow, Biden acting unilaterally and publicly just amounts to political suicide with no gain for anyone.
There’s plenty of stupid out there. I tend to go by Hanlon’s razor for this sort of thing: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”
I think that motto has been losing it’s power recently. Ol’ Hanlon didn’t conceive of malicious stupidity
The reach of Troll Farms is very broad and very deep: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/amp/
You need to stop having those conversations and focus on what’s important. Right now, if the election were to be held, Trump wins in a landslide according to the polls (assuming EC more or less follows the popular trend).
What do you need to do before November to ensure that your queer daughter is protected in the extremely likely case of a 2nd Trump administration?
I just hope they learn before it’s too late that the people who stand idly by and/or vote in support of genocide of Palestinians because they’re not Palestinian are the same people who will do the same with queer people like us because they’re not queer.
They’re already turning the corner on immigrants. The recent Dem bill is more extreme than any border laws passed under Trump. And now it’s getting even more extreme with the new bipartisan version.
Stop using us as a shield to protect your horrific genocide. I wonder if their daughter even knows they’re appropriating her queerness to support slaughtering tens of thousands of children.
It’s not a Dem bill; it’s a bipartisan bill. It was the Democrats compromising in order to save Ukraine.
And your last paragraph is just disgusting. No one’s using you as a shield here. And no one is ‘appropriating her queerness’.
Do you have any idea what you’re even going on about? You seem to feel pretty strongly about it while not knowing what you’re talking about. That or you’re just buying into some sort of propaganda without thinking about it, which I guess amounts to the same.
They’re actually correct in how this thread is using queer people as shields for Israel’s genocide
There are queer Palestinians as well. Although there are far fewer today than there were 5 months ago
Excuse me? Appropriating? Trying to save her fucking life is appropriation?
Taking her being queer and using it as an excuse to ignore the slaughter of @innocents?
Yep you are appropriating her queer status to use.
In what way am I ignoring Israel’s genocide? I discuss it here on a daily basis.
Genocide is a hell of a fucking wedge issue.
It becomes a lot easier to get someone to trade up active current genocide for non-active future genocide. That anything works both ways and the GOP knows.
One of my closest friends moved to Tennessee right before his adolescent daughter came out as queer a few years back. I feel so bad for that kid. Her family is supportive of her, at least, but what a nightmare place to have to live as a gay kid.
I’m not making excuses for anyone here –
I expect it is extremely confusing for many people when “Jewish” is a religion, an ethnicity, a nationality, a nation, and a political football. This leads to anything the Israeli government opposes to be construed in the same light, which is how we get people equating “Palestinians living in severe apartheid conditions inside the borders of the nation of Israel” with “Hamas.” And, of course, anyone who opposes the actions of the Israeli government is likely to get branded “antisemitic,” because if you oppose the Jewish nation you must also oppose the Jewish religion, ethnicity, and nationality, right? (Narrator: Wrong.)
Because of this conflation of so many different things being called the same thing, I try to make absolutely clear what I’m talking about (when I dare dip my toe into those shark-infested waters). Hamas fucking sucks. The Israeli government fucking sucks. What both of those entities do - and have done for a very long time - demonstrate that they are both genocidal shitbags. Supporters of either, be they Israeli citizens, Palestinians, or third parties, fucking suck right alongside them.
But I’m talking about a domestic issue here.
The fact is, both Trump and Biden will support genocide in Israel… but only one of them might commit genocide on queer people domestically. And it isn’t Biden.
I will do anything I can to keep my daughter and all other queer people safe. That means keeping Trump out of office at all costs. If voting for someone else will do that, great. Until someone tells me who that person is, I will have to hold my nose and vote for Biden.
Oh, sure - to be perfectly clear, nothing I said was intended to address that concern, and your position is absolutely sound. I was only referring to the tangent of “I rarely get an answer, but I do get told I support genocide,” outside of all that.
It was a slip he thought they said Democrats. /s
He’s woke up and thought “today, I’m going to be the shitty politician that punk rockers sing about”, and then he did it.
The picture even looks like the parody version you’d see in the music video.
Had to do a double-take, thought this was an onion headline.
This is hate speech and illegal in my country.
It should be illegal in any country.
Sadly, in the U.S., “freedom of speech” has become almost totally meaningless. Our supreme court decided that money is speech, which is why we now have things called political action committees (PACs) which aren’t supposed to work with campaigns *wink wink, nudge nudge* and can raise unlimited funds from anyone anywhere in the world legally. Unsurprisingly, Trump’s PAC has been paying his legal bills.
Freedom of speech in America means the freedom to call for, advocate for, and organize violence against anyone you like so long as they aren’t white and/or Christian.
If you say violence is bad, or call for violence against those Advocating for and organizing violence though - THEN it’s hate speech.
speech should not be illegal, everyone should be free to say what they want. If you don’t like what someone is saying don’t fucking vote for them. Protest against israel are already illegal in many countries, that’s what not having free speech brings you.
Got it. Money should equal speech because it’s illegal to protest against Israel in many countries.
You can tell the press is broken when he isn’t permanently called a “Genocide Enthusiast” or something similar by the press for as long as he lives.
For the record the UN is estimating 100,000 dead unfound under rubble. And that the rate of killing is comparable to Rwanda’s genocide.
And yet I’m sure he GASPS when other people say the same of Americans…
Hey wait a minute I thought we were all voting for Republicans because the Democrats didn’t immediately get Israel to do all the things we wanted them to do.
No some of us just aren’t showing up to vote for Biden. Personally I’ll be voting for a 3rd party candidate or writing in. We made it clear we didn’t support Biden as a choice in the 2020 primaries. Progressives and leftists provided multiple alternatives we would have generally all backed in the general even though we definitely had our favorites.
Moderates responded by claiming “We can push Biden to the left.” Many progressive and leftist voters took this to mean we had a seat at the table so we showed up in the 2020 general election. After four years of Biden it’s very clear we continue to have no seat at the table despite being desperately needed to win the 2024 general election. Moderates continue to bank on using the fear of Trump to coerce progressives and leftists to show up to vote while having zero influence at all. Then they have a melt down and call us entitled when we say we’ve had enough and we’re walking away from the table we don’t have a seat at.
Moderates can either compromise with leftists or progressives or lose to fascists. It’s really that simple.
Well, guess what’s gonna happen then. If you are in danger of starving, do you refuse a bruised apple or wait for pizza?
Frankly I’m tired of these made up questions. Do you want to compromise with progressives and leftists or lose to fascists? Stop bargaining, make a choice and be confident that the outcome is what you chose.
So even though you don’t think it’s what you’re doing, you’re choosing neutrality. And “neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.”
I’d consider myself more a leftist than not, but I’m not blind. Events like this make it quite clear how much worse the other option is. Neither side actually cares, so I’m going with the side that does the least harm, even though I don’t think it goes far enough.
Then you will continue to lap at their heels.
Or, you can stand up and find your voice and fight with us against it
Stand up in the primaries, we’re in the general election now. This is the only strategy that works with FPTP.
The 6 months before the general election is the only period when you don’t want to create division. That gives you 3 years and 6 months for critical discussion which is fairly reasonable.
Stand up in the primaries
We did. There were a wide range of leftist and progressive candidates to chose from. Moderates said "none of those we choose this old guy who’s gonna block strikes, force federal workers back into the office and supply weapons to Israel.
And how many people will the Republicans kill, disenfranchise, or otherwise dehumanize before somebody starts listening to my voice?
I certainly couldn’t have that on my conscience.
Moderates are the majority voting bloc. They must take the lions share of the responsibility.
But you will if you guys continue to say fuck you to is.
You guys are choosing to run that candidate with all the risk that takes.
Why is it ALWAYS on us to give in to you guys?
If your person is popular enough he will win, if not, we’ll that’s the horse that y’all bet on knowing how so many of us feel.
You’re free to call yourself whatever you want but all you’re doing is repeating moderate talking points for them. Whatever your beliefs are, your actions support moderate politics. The same politics which have failed to address Trump.
I’m not beholden to any party or wing thereof. I see a news story like this, though, and I’ll do whatever I can to keep that party out of office.
Have you tried telling moderates they need to wise up and start compromising with progressives and leftists?
So your choice is to lose to fascists…? Because if people don’t vote for Biden, Democrats will lose to fascists.
No made up analogy there. Straight up go to jail, don’t pass go, end of democracy, Trump dictatorship. This honestly is not hyperbole this time around.
Sounds like y’all need our help but aren’t willing to listen to us.
I heard all this same shit last time.
I am done being the only one who has to compromise.
Fix your candidate if you want my votes
Sounds like you better try to work on moderates then.
The Trump Supreme court has intervened to shut down any meaningful progressive initiatives (see student loan forgiveness, for example).
I think Biden fumbled that himself. Along with the BBB, increasing the defense budget, the CHIPS act and the way he treated the UAW. On top of that his appointments Yellen and Powell are in an outright war with American Workers, he pushed to block the rail strike and he’s supplying weapons to Israel.
That’s plenty of opportunities I can think of where Biden could have done something different. I’m open to other ideas as well. But if you’re just trying to tell me Biden couldn’t do anything different than he has that’s a terrible sales pitch for someone you want me to vote for in the 2024 general. I’ll be there but I’m gonna be voting 3rd party or a write in.
you don’t seem to think much of your own and no one is trying to convince you of anything. sounds like you want a president who intervenes beyond the scope of his power. which you’ll have under Trump. people get the leaders they deserve
I don’t think anyone was arguing you can push Biden to the left. I guess you had that Bernie commission but nothing was promised beyond that. What happened is more people voted for Biden so he won. That’s democracy.
I’m not saying you have to vote for Biden, you’re allowed to do whatever, but it’s not some fairy tale that by not voting for Biden you’re helping Trump. You are, you just don’t care. You would rather Trump be president for the next 4 years because you think Moderate Democrats will learn some lesson that they didn’t the last time the exact same thing happened in 2016.
What will really happen is moderates will claim the candidate catered to the left so much that it turned off moderates (or pick a group, didnt cater enough to suburban Hispanics or whatever), and the Left will say the candidate didn’t cater to the left enough, and in 2028 that won’t be resolved and the person who wins the most votes will win again entirely unrelated to the question. So you’re not sending the message you think you’re sending, you’re just hurting the candidate whose interests are the closest to yours. Allowed, but not what I’d recommend as a political strategy.
What will really happen is moderates will claim the candidate catered to the left so much that it turned off moderates (or pick a group, didnt cater enough to suburban Hispanics or whatever), and the Left will say the candidate didn’t cater to the left enough, and in 2028 that won’t be resolved and the person who wins the most votes will win again entirely unrelated to the question.
But, thats what always happens anyways in every election, regardless if Trump is running or not.
So you’re not sending the message you think you’re sending, you’re just hurting the candidate whose interests are the closest to yours. Allowed, but not what I’d recommend as a political strategy.
I guarantee you, when they go back to do a postmortem post-election, and see a whole voting block not showing up, that’ll definitely send a message.
They’re actually already seeing it today, or do you not wonder why Biden keeps trying to pay off student loans every way he has available to him.
Its the party’s responsibility to offer candidates that people can vote for, and not demand people to vote for the party so the other party does not win. Coercing a vote out of someone is not the American thing to do.
But, thats what always happens anyways in every election, regardless if Trump is running or not.
Right, my point is that you aren’t “teaching moderate Democrats a lesson” by helping Trump. You’re just helping Trump.
I guarantee you, when they go back to do a postmortem post-election, and see a whole voting block not showing up, that’ll definitely send a message.
No post mortem has ever decided the candidate needed to be further from the center to gain more votes. I don’t see why you think it would happen now. There are more people in the middle, and winning over a vote from Trump is worth twice as much as moving a non-voting Leftist to vote. Those are the tradeoffs of campaigning.
They’re actually already seeing it today, or do you not wonder why Biden keeps trying to pay off student loans every way he has available to him.
Magnificent. Biden is doing something you like, this is somehow evidence of why you shouldn’t vote for him.
Biden does some left wing stuff too, yes. He’s not trying to alienate left wing people, he is doing electorally popular things, and he has to get Republicans on board for any law he wants to pass. This forces moderation. If you are demanding Medicare For All or you won’t vote for him, you just aren’t living in reality.
Its the party’s responsibility to offer candidates that people can vote for, and not demand people to vote for the party so the other party does not win. Coercing a vote out of someone is not the American thing to do.
To be clear, the party isn’t saying this, I am. Biden is trying to be popular to the widest swath of people possible, to beat Trump. If you’re saying you’re going to vote against him to send a message nobody is going to listen to, I think you’re making a mistake and helping the guy you hate, way more than you are doing any good.
The way to send an inter-party message is in the primaries. Get your person (or a person significantly closer to you ideologically) to be the candidate and make everyone else choose between them or the guy they hate. If Bernie was the candidate I’d be telling moderates to vote for him just like this.
I don’t think anyone was arguing you can push Biden to the left. I guess you had that Bernie commission but nothing was promised beyond that. What happened is more people voted for Biden so he won. That’s democracy.
Ok and I’m not voting for him again. That’s democracy.
I said several times you’re allowed to help Donald Trump win if you want to, millions of Republicans are doing it too.
That’s a two way street. By refusing to compromise with leftists moderates are allowing Trump to win.
By refusing to compromise with leftists moderates are allowing Trump to win.
No, the party is allowing Trump to win, not by not putting up candidates that people can vote for.
It’s ultimately the party’s responsibility.
It isn’t because the only question to be asked is whether a choice is helping Biden beat Trump, or not.
Biden is trying to be as electable as possible, to get himself elected over Donald Trump. If he doesn’t go Leftist enough on your preferred policy, it’s because he thinks being that far left will lose him votes. So “refusing to compromise with leftists” is the choice that helps beat Trump. And voting for Biden is the choice that helps beat Trump. One can be the consequence of the other, but that doesn’t change the fact that not voting for Biden is helping Trump.
It isn’t because the only question to be asked is whether a choice is helping Biden beat Trump, or not.
That’s your interpretation. You’re free to have your own and I’m free to have mine. Buddy, the only reason you’re continuing to engage is because you believe you can affect the outcome. You can’t.
Literally who is voting Republican over Gaza? And before you say it, no. Not engaging with a two party election in which both candidates support genocide is not the same as voting for the one you don’t like.
Sarcasm.
No, we are voting against democrats because they continue to supply weaponry, ammunition, and a fucking carrier strike group to protect Israel from its own decisions.
If they want to massacre thousands of innocent children, let them do it on their own and take whatever fucking backlash they get.
They have no problems doing any of this as long as we are protecting them, let the chickens come home to roost on them
You don’t think that the alternative is worse? You don’t think that Republicans will supply double the aid to Israel and half the aid to Ukraine?
It’s a privileged position to be able to say “I want to wash my hands of the whole thing.” People executing that privilege in 2016 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2004 got us to where we are today. People executing that privilege in 2000 got us to where we are today. How well do you think it’s going to work out for you this year?
So I should bend the knee and just let you people ignore me and what I want and stand for?
I have compromised over and over and you people never, EVER, hold up your part of the deal.
I am DONE!
Run a candidate worth a damn or let the country get another bitch slap to the face like 2016.
Maybe everyone will wise up after that, until then enjoy your fucking president with a hardon for killing brown people
lol. “You people,” as if there’s less in common between you and me than there is between me and Democratic party leadership. What a joke.
Run a candidate worth a damn or let the country get another bitch slap to the face like 2016.
That’s a weird way to say literal murder gangs and secret police. And that’s not theoretical or fearmongering, Trump has actually said he would do that. There are MAGA groups drawing up plans right now.
Not to mention the article you’re commenting on right this very moment, where a Republican is openly advocating for killing brown people. Yes, Biden’s response to Gaza has been tepid at best. But the other option is currently saying, out loud and to the news, “turn Gaza into glass, baby! Let it burn!”
This isn’t a situation where we come out of the other side embarrassed. This is life and death for millions, and the fact that you can petulantly fold your arms and say “no!” is choosing neutrality.
So I should bend the knee
No! You should fight for what you want to see in the world, which includes allowing for the reality that slowing down the speeding train is still helpful for the people on the tracks, even if the better option would be to get them off of the tracks. Then primary someone who won’t leave the people tied to the tracks.
As long as we don’t have ranked choice voting, this is the option we have: at each ballot box, we vote to do the least harm, and then we hold the people we voted for to account, with the threat that otherwise we’ll primary them next time.
Yes it sucks. But every person in Gaza, every person in Ukraine, every woman and immigrant and homeless person and person without medical insurance and trans person and gay person and child in a classroom across this country–every single one of them, if they know the stakes, is terrified of the Republican regime that would make their lives living hells at best and eternal fascist rule at second best.
And they (and I) are terrified that there is no “next time” or “wise up” after a Trump win because they’ve banned any news that doesn’t kiss the ring, or they’ve canceled elections, or they’ve forcibly disbanded any party that isn’t the GOP.
You want me to believe that the principled decision, the moral decision, the ethical decision is to allow those millions of people to see their worst nightmare come true, just because 262 Democrats in Washington aren’t listening to your voice enough?
If you’ve made your peace with that, fine. But don’t try to tell me that allowing that carnage is more righteous.
Yet knowing all of that, you guys are still choosing to support Biden.
You do you homie, maybe eventually the left will actually move left if you keep voting for them no matter how right wing they go.
There’s a third alternative for those who won’t vote for Biden, but don’t support Republicans. Primary. Essentially, picking democratic candidates that aren’t endorsed by AIPAC on the downballot. We do have people like AOC, and Sanders whom that are against Israel, and Hamas.
That’s more reasonable than voting against Democrats.
As far as consequences goes, Israel has been facing the prospect of decreased international support, but that will take a decade at best for it to be significant. Gen Z and Millennials don’t really have good feelings toward Israel after their actions within war, and Israelis know it. It’s on Israel to change policy along with a trial toward settlers and people that supports Netanyahu, and if they want them back, that’s the only way to do it, otherwise, I don’t see Israel having the longevity to avoid that.
>There’s a third alternative for those who won’t vote for Biden, but don’t support Republicans. Primary.
nah. i’m just going to vote for someone i want to win in the general like cornel west or jill stein.
Primary election is not the same thing as the general election. And the downballot is what I’m talking about, which is why Cornel West or Jill Stein isn’t even part of it. So, people who can’t be willing to vote for Biden, can vote for people in the downballot.
can you read? i said what i said.
Can you explain how is Jill Stein or Cornell West relevant to the downballot choice?
I went independent already.
The democrats are supporting too many conservative views for me.
The republicans are too far right.
The commies are too far left.
Although typing this out just now made non-binary people finally click in my head.
Questions.
Which democrats are conservative? Is Bernie/AOC a conservative? Are they a commie? There’s a portion of the democratic party that aren’t centrists.
Republicans are definitely too far-right.
Sanders is only a democrats because they forced him to be to run for president.
But right about there
He’s a Independent that caucus with the Democratic Party. But, my point is that there’s two wings of the Democratic Party. It’s the Bernie wing of the Democratic Party that is to be supported mainly. That wing won’t be a relevant party if it was a third party, the GOP needs to die before that can happen.
If the party is shoving us to the side and only paying lip service to us and carting us out when it is time to vote, then are we really part of the party at all?
Make your mother proud, kid. If she doesn’t love you after this maybe it’ll help to outlaw abortion?
And homosexuality. And interracial marriage. And women’s rights. And…
But if I were to say that about him and his family, he would want me prosecuted.
He is an embarrassment to our state. ;(
And his family.
