It poses a significant challenge to creative economies worldwide, costing industries billions annually.
Other studies found, that piracy actually increases sales, offsetting the (always oversestimated) loss of revenue.
So, no, that’s a lie.
Agreed. I copied that exact quote to see if someone called it out already. Also this one:
educational messages tend to try and educate the consumer on the moral and economic damage of piracy.
Citation fucking needed.
As an anecdotal example, I pay for Netflix, Spotify, Prime, and Kindle Unlimited (and CBC Gem partly through taxes), I regularly buy videogames and ebooks (and pay for a library with taxes), and I buy phone apps. I’m paying as much as I comfortably can for media in various forms.
I also pirate TV/film content, books, games, apps, operating systems, etc. A lot.
But about half the TV/film piracy is content I have already paid to get streaming access to simply because it’s easier to pirate than figure out which service it’s on, and the other half is mostly freely available on YouTube at garbage quality.
The content industry, net everything, is getting all the cash out of me that they ever will. Piracy has 0 net effect on my media spending; I’d just consume different content, content at a lower quality, spend more time on Where To Stream, and get books from the library a bit more often.
The real challenge to creative economies are the billionaires sucking all the profit from album sales or deleting television shows from the face of the earth for a tax writeoff.
You mean to tell me, people have “you can’t tell me what to do” attitude, especially among men?
I only torrent if the show or movie I want to watch is unavailable on Netflix, and I don’t want to pay for subscription to another streaming service if such shows are available in another. I’m not made of money.
So peculiar how it was easy to attract customers by having a single streaming service with plenty of content, a sane price, and no ads; and yet it is difficult to attract customers by having dozens of services with minimal content, inflating subscriptions, and also ads. Why are customers so hard to understand?
Netflix would have loved to have kept everything on their platform, but once they proved it was profitable, everyone yanked their stuff off and made their own streaming services. Of course, Netflix has shown that it would have become enshittified regardless.
If a paid streaming service give users a worse experience than pirating, that’s on them!
Statistic is a really funny science. So some man who just pirate a 1 h 40 long movie will be inspired to also pirate a sitcom episode from the antipiracy campagne?
People who bought the movie seeing anti-piracy ads: 🤡
People who pirated the movie not seeing anti-piracy ads because they’ve been cut out: 😎
Classic: punish the law abider while the law breakers have it made
I actually spent time on ripping the ‘you wouldn’t steal…’ video from the first DVD that I had with it on it, just for the sheer irony. 😅
Dudes rock
Men. 🏴☠️
It’s actually advertising. “Ha, that’s right, I can just clone the files.”
Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me.
Unexpected rage
*Expected rage
I guess I should have capitalized the R.
Now you do what they told ya… now you’re under control
You wouldn’t download an anti-piracy message.
One of my favourite anecdotes is that the agency stole the music in that ad. After a lot of effort the guy that made it finally got them to pay royalties.
Unironically, I have that ad saved under comedic commercials.
For a while when I had trailers enabled on Plex I would put the anti-piracy one up lol
I don’t really understand the gender difference thing, because I would think that in general it comes down to understanding what “ownership” is and that it has been taken from us, replaced with “licensing” where we have to buy the same movie every 10 years on a new format, and now that streaming is THE format, companies have made The Producers real, where they can make a whole movie, shitcan it, and get a tax break.
I mean, going back to when the music companies were suing music fans for downloading music, they did research that if the max payout was given to every rightsholder for all the piracy going on, that it would be a bill larger than the amount of money that actually existed.
When the fines for all piracy that exists would be bigger than the amount of money that exists, its clear that the system is fucking broken and has been.
Nobody respects copyright, and that started when Disney fucked us all over with the Mickey Mouse Protection Act in the 1990’s.
The rightsholders did this to themselves by making it increasingly draconian.
When cops are playing copyrighted music when they’re being filmed so people can’t post it online without it being auto-removed for having copyrighted music in it, things are flat out fucked and everybody knows it.
It’s akin to living the end stages of the Soviet Union with Hypernormalization. Everything is totally fucked, but everyone is running around trying to pretend that nothing has changed and everything is fine.
I am a woman, and therefore speak with authority for All Womankind (jk). In reality, I have no studies but some thoughts pulled together from gender differences and potential differences in experiences.
Tech stuff is often male dominated, dig into less mainstream stuff on forums with patchwork moderation and some pockets get really unfriendly to women really quickly. Lemmy is about as deep as I go while still openly saying I’m a woman. Even here, I have Lemmy alts from which I don’t mention my gender so I can ask questions as an “assumed male by default” user.
I think one could also frame it in terms of risk tolerance. Testosterone levels affect men’s emotions and ability to think logically (there are plenty of studies on this). For example, they aren’t worse drivers than women but take bigger risks that put them in more dangerous situations with more damaging outcomes because high testosterone can literally make them impulsive and illogical. Any time I see a gender disparity in crime in particular, I wonder about correlation to testosterone levels.
I don’t know where that hatred comes from, but I can only assume it’s because those guys couldn’t find good ladies to be with. They probably got rejected a lot and now they don’t like wimen at all. But I don’t know for sure.
I’m not sure you responded to the right thread, or you’re just referring to the depths of the Internet being misogynistic? Whatever, i’ll roll with it.
“You wouldn’t download a car… unless that stuckup bitch Suzy doesn’t go on a date with me. I don’t like her anyway, I only offered to take her out because I’m such a Nice Guy. I would rather stay home and torrent all episodes of My Little Pony anyways”.
Too much? I think the MLP is too much but I was blanking on any other stereotypical neckbeardy media. And the character definitely did go neckbeardy when it could have just as easily gone Andrew Tate fanboy.
It sucks that you have to deal with misogyny on-line like that.
As a man… that sounds about right lol. I was watching a show and then realised if I wanted the later seasons I’d have to subscribe to a different service and I took that personally and got annoyed and now I just pirate stuff. No one tells this manly feller what to do.
I would say risk taking isnt always bad and not always illogical. But yeah, as a man I know what you mean when you talk about testosterone and risk taking.
I imagine it used to have quite a lot of benefits back when we were still sleeping in caves, shure you might die when facing a mammoth, but you could also feed the whole tribe for weeks when you succeed.
I think its simply, at least for a while, the tech space was male dominated. And depending on the type of piracy, it requires an amount of tech skills
Probably the reason, pretty valid point here.
Also, there’s so much “free” content that a lot of young ones don’t even bother or care about learning about piracy and how to do it
I would think that in general it comes down to understanding what “ownership” is and that it has been taken from us, replaced with “licensing”
Your mistake is thinking that the average person
- Knows that this is happening/has happened, since it’s rarely clearly or prominently stated,
- Understands what it means, since it doesn’t often affect them,
- And in the uncommon scenario where both 1 and 2 are met: actually cares at all.
It’s wild, because it used to be that you bought a movie and it didn’t matter that the rights ran out you could still watch your fucking movie in your own home.
I understand the concern and I’m sure it does happen, but I have literally never heard this complaint from a single person that I actually know. What movies/services has this actually happened to?
No argument against anything you said related to copyright laws, just to be clear.
I understand the concern and I’m sure it does happen, but I have literally never heard this complaint from a single person that I actually know. What movies/services has this actually happened to?
Pretty much every digital platform at some point or another.
Here’s an article that was discussed extensively on HackerNews about how Apple has the rights to remove items you’ve paid for from your digital library:
https://theoutline.com/post/6167/apple-can-delete-the-movies-you-purchased-without-telling-you
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17970197
Here’s an example where Amazon removed books from people’s Kindles, although to be fair to Amazon they did attempt to change how they handled situations like this. However, the licensing issue should have been handled before customers could buy it, yet in this instance customers were initially punished for something they had no control over (how are they supposed to know Amazon is offering ebooks without proper licensing?).
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html
On Friday, it was “1984” and another Orwell book, “Animal Farm,” that were dropped down the memory hole by Amazon.com.
In a move that angered customers and generated waves of online pique, Amazon remotely deleted some digital editions of the books from the Kindle devices of readers who had bought them.
Here are two separate examples of Warner Bros. canceling finished movies wholesale because it’s a “wise business decision.” These are completed films that will not be released.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/batgirl-movie-shelved-dc-studios-head-peter-safran-1235506921/
Lots of shows/films are being licensed to streaming services and then disappearing altogether, since there was never a “physical” copy available to begin with. Here’s a short list of some that you can’t find anywhere anymore.
https://www.looper.com/1333407/best-streaming-shows-you-cant-watch-anywhere/
Finally, every company has a right to not do business with you. If Microsoft, Apple, Google, or any other content providers decide to ban your account (a very effective way to choose not to do business with a person), all your digital purchases are gone with it. That alone should be proof enough that you don’t and never “owned” any of it. In the “olden times” Blockbuster couldn’t come into your home and take back all the movies you ever bought from them (I know they mostly did rental, but they did sales, too) and smash your VHS so you couldn’t watch anything anymore.
Two examples I’m aware of for that last part, I believe, are the TV shows House M. D. and Quantum Leap. For House, the intro music in most places you can find it has been replaced by the music in the end credits, and with Quantum Leap, i think a number of songs on the show have been swapped out due to rights and licensing
I’m not 100% sure on either of those if my memory is correct or the reasoning matches, but I do know there are other examples
Scrubs has different music in many places in the streaming episodes compared the original broadcast and DVDs.
Indeed. Piracy is good because it is preservation
As a woman into tech I’ll chime in. We seem to have a mild case of ignorant as shit. My friends are all completely blind to tech and piracy. Now I don’t blame them because they’ve been taught by capitalist culture to care about pointless things since birth, but god does it hurt sometimes and make me want to claw my eyes out. Patience and education will solve the gap.
What is even more painful is seeing friends glued to TikTok on their phones all day when they have STEM degrees. I didn’t grow up in a typical household, so I have a hard time relating to other women, but I don’t get it either. Do your friends with kids seem to be this way more than those without?
I’m just waiting for that glorious day when I can, in fact, download a car.
Technically you can do so now. But you would need a metal 3D printer to build it (or make it out of plastic I guess). I remember reading something about a dude who bought a industrial 3D printer setup just so he could print out a Rolls Royce Phantom.
Printing the externals is doable today, though definitely expensive, simply from the volume of material needed, even if you can outsource or rent a big enough 3D printer (I’d probably print out of nylon powder or something similar)*.
With the exterior printed, just slap an electric motor somewhere and you’re golden (after setting up the whole rest of the car, of course)
*Actually, i’d probably print a neat looking bike frame and maybe some protection, way less material needed
