Just saw this morning that the police are saying the death was not caused by injuries from the fight.
Let’s say the kid offed themself. Are we really going to pretend that the continued bullying and the school’s inaction would have had nothing to do with that?
Just fyi, the new york post is as dogshit as fox news. If you’re looking to get actual information, you’re better off looking elsewhere.
Agreed. However Apnews is reporting it as well.
I wasn’t commenting on that, just that the new york post means morning. Regardless, I frankly don’t give a shit what the police say; they’re not exactly known for telling the truth.
Right, it’s easy to just make up your mind about something (with no evidence), when everyone who is telling you otherwise can be labeled as nazis, pigs, murderers, or whatever the Current Thing happens to be 🤭
Right, it’s easy to just make up your mind about something (with no evidence)
“I don’t trust X” != “I’ve made up my mind”
What have you not made up your mind about?
I’m a different user.
THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE TO ARM UP AND BE SEEN READY TO FIGHT
These people know you’re a doormat and a pushover.
I have to admit, one of my first emotional responses was anger. I want vengeance. When will we see the day the bullies, abusers, murderers, and their enablers receive justice?
Not civilized “justice” in court rooms, on pieces of paper, with well-dressed men and women arguing politely over legal arcana.
Blood for blood. There should be a mortal fear that if they harm one hair on our heads, something worse will happen to them by far.
Don’t tell me this won’t bring anyone back. Don’t tell me to be better than our enemies. If you will assault someone over their skin color, gender, sexual orientation, you don’t deserve the breath of life.
The problem with mob justice is lack of due process. It frequency gets the wrong person as it can’t be reasoned with.
Yeah, and if you remove justice by due process by installing fascist bigots in all positions of the judicial system, then all you’re left with is mob justice. And we ought to be angry about that too.
No, I’m sorry, if a person was bullied for a year, that was the time for “due process” to protect them and society by preventing further harm. Now it is too late.
They caused someone to die by their violent actions, I am fully in favor of violent retaliation here, and as I said not looking to be convinced otherwise.
There are some things our society gets right, and some things it gets wrong. Passivity in the face of violence is a mistake IMO.
It’s never too late to justice to be done. Though more of it has to done the later it is left. No one is talking passivity here. Everyone wants something done this time and done sooner next time.
Mob justice is not justice at all.
Yes it is
Anarchy doesn’t work.
Anarchy was never mentioned.
The problem with mob justice is that it can be leveraged directly in to fascism. This is exactly what happened with the French Revolution and the Soviet one. In both cases valid anger against oppression was directed in to paranoia that allowed for the reestablishment of an authoritarian order instead of liberation. Anger is foolish and easily manipulated. That’s why it’s the only emotion the right wants anyone to experience. That’s why it’s the only emotion patriarchy allows men to express.
Anger is good for destroying things. Some things need to be destroyed. But those things that need to be destroyed are systems, not people.
Anger is activating and should absolutely drive you to action, but the action you take shouldn’t also be decided by the anger. Let anger wake you up, and compassion guide the action you take.
History repeats itself, at least most of the time. That’s why we should learn from the past because humans haven’t changed that much in the way we think under certain circumstances.
It’s a social contract thing. Conservatives insist on being granted all of the benefits you get by signing an accord with the rest of us, but then act as though they are exempt from it’s requirements.
As far as I’m concerned, they aren’t covered by the agreement anymore, and should be deprived of any protection offered by it.
Absolutely gross, disgusting, evil, impossible to reason with.
Unrelated: what kind of name is “Nex”?
What kind of names are Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Judas, Jesus? They are all just the sound of meat flapping around.
Should have been a Destiny fan, then this wouldn’t have happened. /s
Conservative thinking killed this beautiful child. Every conservative is to blame.
Does this logic apply to crimes committed by immigrants?
“Immigrant thinking killed this beautiful child. Every immigrant is to blame.”
Hmmmm, I’m not sure what immigrant ideology is, or where all the oppressive legislation that immigrants passed is, but I’m sure you can find a way to scapegoat people you hate.
You know the drill, just keep asking more and more absurd questions with confidence, and when someone says you are driving people to a hateful conclusion with loaded questions, you can just say “what, I can’t ask questions anymore? What happened to free speech?”
If you make more stuff up, you can’t paint me as Hitler
I think we should try to answer this rather than just down voting. I think the difference is that conservative thinking led to the policy that led to the person being targeted, and possibly also to a climate of intolerance that made the attacker/s feel like they had the support of the community to do that. We’re not really talking about who is too blame for this individual instance (obviously that’s the person/s who manslaughtered this child). We’re talking bigger picture.
When an immigrant commits a crime, I suppose you would argue that liberal thinking created the situation where that could happen, but I think it’s a false equivalence. Big picture immigrants don’t disproportionately commit crime, and there are major benefits that come with immigration. While trans people absolutely are disproportionately the victims of violence, and there are no real benefits to transphobic policies.
I guess I haven’t done great at this, please other people build on this reply, it just felt wrong to see a fair enough question just being downvoted with no reply.
Just a troll, downvote and move on
???
Immigrants don’t as a group do everything in their political power to fuck people over…
Republicans and Conservatives do.
I can’t imagine – don’t want to imagine losing a child. I had no idea until I had a kid but… Nothing in the universe matters more to me than my kid and I would be destroyed forever if anything ever happened.
To lose a kid (very likely) due to bullying? I can’t imagine the blind rage mixed in with the universe shattering grief.
What sick fucked world do we live in where school bullying turns into violence that turns into death? Just for being different from most? Jesus Christ. These psychopaths should be in jail getting intensive therapy to try to unfuck their twisted minds.
This child could have lived a full life but instead because of fearful, hateful monsters, the kid is dead.
Fuck Oklahoma and fuck this school and the parents of the murderers.
It’s only going to get worse if Trump gets back in power. As if it isn’t bad enough now.
Boy, girl, non binary, whatever WHO GIVES A FUCKING SHIT?! Mind your own goddamn business and don’t be a fucking evil piece of shit. Let people fucking exist as they are.
This is one of several reasons why I’m (secularly) homeschooling my kids.
My biggest fear is to outlive my daughter. And since she’s queer (not trans, but queer), I worry about her being assaulted or even killed because of it, especially as people like Trump foster bigotry. Also, one of her closest friends is trans and I’m very worried about him. I know he’s being bullied in school and he already has self-harm issues. Thankfully, his parents support his transition, but he’s still not getting the support he needs and the school makes him use the girls bathroom and locker room. I hope he makes it through school okay. He’s only 12 and he’s already cutting himself, vaping and smoking weed.
I hope he finds the strength to get through this. Besides support from his family and having supportive friends, which no one should take for granted, there’s overcoming the bullying and finally, the hardest of all, the inner conflict. Topple this with puberty’s own ordeal, so everything gets even more confusing. But it’s also the one task, that drops the most loot, if you solve it. There’s nothing more rewarding than feeling inner peace, love yourself and coming of age strong and prosperous.
I do too. So much. I wish I could do something to help him, but I’ve only met him one time. I know the school he’s in is utter shit. We pulled my daughter out and put her in online school because of how much she was bullied. The administration actually made her apologize to her bullies after they doxxed her on Discord and prank called her repeatedly. Fuck that school. If I could get her friend to do online school with her, I’d drive him to my house every day just to keep him away from that shit. I really wish I could.
This would indeed be a solution, what’s deterring him to take the chance?
Doing online school, you mean? I don’t know his parents and I wouldn’t know how to convince them.
Do you think you’d be able to talk to them about it? If his parents are supportive, maybe they’d be receptive to online school too.
I wouldn’t even know how to get in touch with them. My daughter sure wouldn’t give me the details. She’s very closed about that sort of thing. I don’t even know his last name.
All the panic from Right-Wing cultists has real danger for people. I’m so sorry that people failed Nex. I hope people will be held accountable.
Fuck all of these Shitty Republican Christians for killing this child.
I hope every last one of these Republicans get jailed for this murder but we all know that no one will face any actual consequences for this fine example of Shitty Republican Christian love.
The Republicans must read a different Bible or maybe I read it wrong
They read a proper one, but completely ignore the parts they don’t like and twist/exagerate the parts they like.
I wonder how they respond to concerns over them not looking after the environment or the poor/marginalised.
This has always been the intent.
Still waiting for the day people take this seriously. Maybe just a couple more decades to go :/
Teenage girls are psychotic, getting into fights with a trans kid and beating them to a pulp. How many psychotically violent teens are in schools?
All of them. Some are better at self control, but none of us were sane.
Seriously. How can anyone expect us to be when our skull meatballs were still congealing?
I’m sure every American here has stories. The only reason I and my friends were never bullied much was early on in 6th grade, I stuffed a jock into their locker.
The thing was he was trying to stuff a friend of mine in a locker; with his coach as hall monitor (“boys will be boys,”).
For the record the only thing that I could get to fit was his head and shoulders. Also, the fire dept was breaking out the jaws of life when the lunch lady showed up with bacon grease… so he spent the first ten or so minutes of every class trying to make shit up about that… while everyone knew.
Did the lunch lady look like this? And was there a Scottish groundskeeper there as well?
I mean… Its been a few decades, but i do seem to recall that yes, one of the lunchladies did in fact look like that… It was a large school (actually, two large schools, the kitchen served both a middle school and high school.) and had the kitchen and staffing to go with it.
she was also incredibly grumpy.
to be fair, I would be grumpy too if I had to deal with shitty kids bitching about food all day long. though in my defense, they sorted lunches by last name, and I was always in the last lunch of the day… meaning that we always got the leftovers from the previous lunch cycles.
I find it hard to believe he got stuck that badly.
A lot. I may not have been aware that I was trans back when I was a kid but growing up became a very lonely existence once girls and boys isolated themselves into their little tribes. When the siloing process sticks you with a peer group that implicitly knows you to be an ill fit and even when you try to get along your brain doesn’t register that gendered sense of “this is a person who acts and thinks like me” you don’t as a habit really make very close friends.
Kids are very good at forming hardcore social bonds where they let their sense of individual identity slip in favor of their group. While I didn’t experience trans hate growing up directly persay being placed in situations where you just can’t make decent bonds tends to make you an easy target for being ripped to shreds as somebody else’s exercise of building pack solidarity. It takes very little for children to find justification to be violent.
Conservatism is a plague of oppression, violence and death. It always has been. There is no place in a modern society for conservatism.
When you see your conservative neighbors, co-workers and relatives, remember they killed this innocent child. They did this.
“Owasso police issued a subsequent statement on 21 February to say that an autopsy indicated that Nex had not died as a result of trauma.” STFU
Ah yes. The totally normal spontaneous death of a 16 year old completely unrelated to the physical trauma suffered just before. You conservative apologists are always so fast to jump to conspiracy, why not now?
Reminds me of a bit from a web serial called Pale:
“I was in my rights to weaken him.”
“You shot the man in the head, you said,” Musser replied.
“It left him very weak, yes. He died shortly after.”
There’s a bit of media darwinism here. 15000-20000 teenagers die in USA every year. If the conditions hadn’t been what they were, this would not have broken the media barrier.
But of course, sometimes the obvious answer is the correct one. It could also be self-harm, it would track with not showing enough physical trauma from the altercation to cause death, but would still be indirectly caused by it. The publicized messages between Nex and their grandparents suggested that they (Nex) took the altercation quite casually, but perhaps that was just a front.
Mostly I wanted to tell you drama queen fucks to stfu bout blaming half a nation.
Not even close to half lmao
Enjoy the next Trump presidency.
literally hoping for a rapist insurrectionist to be president
Reactionaries be wildin
Do you understand anything people say to you or do you just twist the meaning and play dumb to score points in your own head?
I’m not going to aggressively confront my simple conservative acquaintances as if they themselves did this, but I do think it’s a moral obligation to root out and identify why our acquaintances support a regressive, fearful, and hateful brand of politics. Like any sale made, it has to be the customer’s choice, or at least the illusion of choice. You’ll never convert anyone to a more Leftist brand of looking at the world if your ideology seems aggressive or unhinged. We’re trying to make conservatism look less ideal than leftism.
When you see your conservative neighbors, co-workers and relatives, remember they killed this innocent child. They did this.
Obviously they did not.
A few weeks ago, on 7 February, the bullying allegedly erupted in violence when Nex suffered severe head injuries during a “physical altercation” at Owasso High School, according to the Owasso Police Department.
Sue Benedict told The Independent she was called to the school that day to find Nex badly beaten with bruises over their face and eyes, and with scratches on the back of their head.
Nex told her that they and another transgender student at Owasso High School had been in a fight with three older girls in a girls bathroom. Nex was knocked to the ground during the fight and hit their head on the floor, according to their mother.
Ms Benedict said she was furious that the school had failed to call an ambulance or the police. She said the school then informed her Nex was being suspended for two weeks.
She took Nex to the Bailey Medical Center in Owasso for treatment. They spoke to a police school resource officer at the medical facility and were discharged.
That night, Nex went to bed with a sore head and eventually fell asleep while listening to music, Ms Benedict said.
On the afternoon of 8 February, Nex was getting ready to go to Tulsa with Ms Benedict for an appointment when they collapsed in the family living room.
Ms Benedict called an ambulance, and Owasso Fire Department medics arrived to find Nex had stopped breathing. Nex was taken to the St. Francis Pediatric Emergency Room where they were later declared dead.
This child’s blood is on their hands. Not just the kids who did the physical beating, but also the conservatives who set up a culture where this is acceptable.
Try to join the rest of us in reality when you can.
This child’s blood is on their hands. Not just the kids who did the physical beating, but also the conservatives who set up a culture where this is acceptable.
Try to join the rest of us in reality when you can.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Should children have the privilege of asserting their sexual identity in public? I guess so. Does it sometimes have consequences? Bad as it is, yes. You may very well argue that something is wrong that when it has consequences, but that argument doesn’t yet remove the consequences.
So I think it is not me who’s not in sync with reality here.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Instead of someone being beaten to death because of their gender identity, they would beat someone to death because they are gay, or suspected of being gay.
History rhymes.Trans people are a part of the LGBTQ+, so this is nothing new. It’s just a continuation or a long history of violence against the LGBTQ+
Yes we should encourage a culture where those who freely express themselves are not celebrated. Everyone should keep their heads down and do what society wants. No one is special. /s
You must be real fun to talk to. What if instead of expressing gender identity, it was expressing Christianity or political alignments that resulted in this?
I’m not American and I’m not LGBTQI+. I’m just a person who believes in basic human rights and wants people to care for each other. But apparently I’m out of sync with reality
You must be real fun to talk to.
Oh, I should let you know that people frequently enjoy a fake laugh to stop me talking.
What if instead of expressing gender identity, it was expressing Christianity or political alignments that resulted in this?
Why would you think these would be different?
So your stance is essentially: “queerphobic culture exists therefore queer people should hide to be safe”?
Rather than question the legitimacy or merits of transphobia and fascism, you are placing the burden on the marginalized members to hide and just accept the unjust status quo. Just because something is the status quo does not make it right and it doesn’t make it immutable.
No one is arguing about the existence of consequences. The consequences of hate are painfully clear to everyone. We are saying instead that there ought not to be deadly consequences for being different. It’s unjust.
By your logic, African Americans should have just stayed in the back of the bus and in separate facilities. After all, they got sprayed with firehouses and killed for seeking equal treatment. Consequences amiright? Similarly, American colonists should have just bent the knee because England sent literal armies when they dared to declare independence. Oh well, they should have been aware of the consequences.
Transphobia and fascism isn’t natural law. It can and should be fought. “Aw man that’s just the way it is” is apologetic and defeatist at best.
Transphobia and fascism isn’t natural law. It can and should be fought. “Aw man that’s just the way it is” is apologetic and defeatist at best.
Sure. But fighting is not a safe, one-sided activity. Sometimes you punch a fascist and sometimes the fascist punches back.
While it’s all brave and great, I still feel not absolutely great about the idea of having children fight these battles.
Then we agree that children shouldn’t have to fight these battles. Unfortunately, the “adults” in Oklahoma and many other states are either failing them or actively participating in their persecution.
I assume you’re a grown-ass person like me. It is my job and your job to make this a safer world for people like Nex. Until then, they are indeed fending for themselves. I vote for the least-bad candidates, contact my representatives frequently, and give to charities who help queer people; admittedly I need to do more. The relevant question isn’t what Nex should have done; they died for being. The question is what can you do such that people like Nex don’t have to fight hate groups alone?
I voted for Biden and this still happened. Voting literally didn’t help.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Not only is that not true, people have been coming out since humans existed, it’s also wrong. You’re confusing sexual identity with gender identity.
Regardless, all you are doing is victim blaming. Nobody should get beaten to death for how they express themselves. This is supposed to be the land of the free, not the land of the beatings for people society deems weird.
You may very well argue that something is wrong that when it has consequences, but that argument doesn’t yet remove the consequences.
The consequences for self expression should not be death, much less vigilante beatings that result in death. And your appathy is frankly disgusting, and a part of the problem.
Well, if Nex’s sexual identity indeed was the reason they are dead, and all this had taken place, say, 20 years ago, nobody would’ve died because nobody would’ve asserted their sexual identity in public.
Ah, yes, I remember 20 years ago, where no one asserted their sexual identity, neither cis heterosexual men nor cis heterosexual women did hold hands nor did kiss their partners nor did host large feasts to celebrate their marriages, where neither the groom nor the bride wore specific clothes socially assigned to their gender. No one did this and you could certainly never see it, anywhere.
Listen, I’m a cis straight guy, I just want everyone to enjoy the same freedoms and respect, and some assholes are really keen on not letting some specific people have them.
So true. There must be no forgiveness, no tolerance, no acceptance. Conservatives must be purged from this planet. This is the ONLY way forward, if we want a society that is good for everybody.
That is not at all what they are saying.
So? That’s what I am saying. What are they saying in your opinion? To silently seethe at the conservatives while not doing anything?
You are mocking a call to violence in which there is none. They’re saying conservatism (the belief, the ideology) needs to die.
Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.
You are being entirely idealistic. You are saying things that sound nice to you without considering how realistic they are.
You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.
At some level you even realize this.
Conservatives should be openly mocked and ridiculed for their cruelty and violence. They should be laughed out of office.
This means attacking the people. You are talking about making conservatives social pariahs, having them lose their livelihoods and power.
So yes, destroy conservatism, but if you don’t have the stomach to do everything that simple statement entails, get out of my way.
You cannot attack an ideology without attacking the people who make up that ideology. They cannot be cleanly distinguished from each other.
Quit your bullshit. Dunking on shitty beliefs does not equate to killing or hurting people like you were suggesting.
This means attacking the people.
Good job moving the goal posts. First it was purging. Now it’s being made out to be social pariahs. Pick one, and quit equating scorn with violence.
No one hasn’t mentioned violence except you. The word “attack” can mean many things.
Ancient Roman Conservatives (Optimates, cause of course) “Look when you lift their skirts, you find a Populare (Democrat). We need to bring back traditional values!”
Since the days of yore, always about traditional fucking values.
And like now they aren’t. It’s a factionalized past constructed by the traditionalists.
Pro-life, until they arent what expected, then fuck those people. The conservative religious are very hateful.
Hey now, they don’t care about em after they’re born! Especially it they are poor or not Christian & white enough.
How’s protecting those kids by putting them in danger going?
Oh - a kid you wanted to kill us dead - all part of the plan.
These lawmakers are knowingly lying for personal gain, and to kill those they don’t like - including kids. They’re fucking demons, and their supporters are either as bad, or mentally deficient.
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The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end. Kind of like fortune cookies.
In this case, radical right speech has an implied “, for the right people.” After all they are not trying to govern equally, but instead prefer a rigidly defined caste system.
reverence for the sanctity of life, for the right people.
The key is to add an additional implied phrase to the end.
Of course we couldn’t rely on them to do it because that would be saying the quiet part out loud.
Yeah… sounds like Oklahoma.
