AiDS Denialism is a thing?
I’m torn between “free speech!” and “this should be illegal”.
There have always been limits. You can’t shout fire in a crowded theatre.
People can’t stop and say, “Well, I wonder if there actually is fire in the theater? I will calmly head over to the person who shouted that and ask him for evidence that the fire is in fact in this theater. When he has explained his view about the fire, I will thoroughly research the topic and come to my own conclusions on the matter and make my own decision about how to respond to the issue of fire in the theater.”
The real bummer is that a convincing enough argument could make people do some really stupid things. That’s always been true though. Never more true than now, when so many people are being argued at all the time about crazy things.
I think it should be illegal to knowingly spread false information about things that could cause harm (especially for those who do it for money), but the bit that worries me is figuring out who decides and enforces the rules in such a case.
I mean, we all seen the insurrection with our own eyes, and somehow people in positions of power who experienced it fucking say it didn’t happen, or that it was antifa.
Well, my head is going back in the sand for a bit. Gonna go laugh at a meme or three.
I’m fifty. Joe Rogan is fifty six. Even though I was young in the eighties, by 1992 I had already lost six people I knew to AIDS. Joe, being six years older than I, would have witnessed peak AIDS apocalypse as an older teen. He was even from New Jersey, not some suburb in the midwest. He would have seen some shit. All he has to do is remember, but he chooses willful ignorance.
Maybe he was lucky, I’m 46 and lost almost only old people through more or less old age. I feel really lucky about it. And I know people who lost people right and left, suicide, accidents, plane crashes…
Oh, he remembers, it’s just he doesn’t give a fuck. All he wants is attention, because that’s how he makes cash.
He has repeatedly talked about how frightening it was to live thru the AIDS epidemic and seeing people drop left and right
We all just lived through covid. It’s not that hard to imagine someone denying the existence of a global plague that effects people they know.
We are all living through global climate change, and the collapse of late stage capitalism, etc. These and their I’ll are selling copium to the masses of folks who can’t face reality and choose to live in fantasy.
Even those of us in the Midwest knew enough about AIDS by the 90s to understand this is just utter bullshit. I’m from Indiana, which is where Ryan White was born and died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White
And if AIDS was caused by poppers, then Ryan White would not have died.
My favorite part about those years is that we didn’t have to care what Joe Rogan thought.
We still don’t have too. 😂
as a straight man that does poppers still no aids :p
Oh Bret. Having taken some of his classes in 2012, and having known his family and kids… I instantly recognize him in grift mode. He will always take refuge in plausible deniability and hyperfocus on a concrete detail (like 80s drug culture being unhealthy for people’s immune systems) and handwave the significance of other factors.
He then leaves the conclusions to people like Rogan and won’t necessarily refute ridiculous takes.
It was a technique for guiding academic seminars he used. It helped cut through people getting stuck in the weeds, but it also often just led to him allowing the seminar to derail and go into the weeds.
How is this not illegal in the US ? Someone needs to sue this idiot
Jamie, pull that up
If he can’t eat it, fuck it or shoot it, he can’t understand it
Or smoke it.
I’m pretty sure he doesn’t understand those either.
Did anyone listen to the conversation…? Because what Vice is claiming is not at all what was talked about. They are chopping up the 20 minute conversation on said topic and creating a completely different conversation.
Bret was saying the drug scene did not help people who had AIDS, as it helped ruin the immune system for people who had an immune disease.
They brought Fauci up (the subject of RFK’S book) because of Fauci pushing AZT, which literally killed thousands
Zidovudine killed thousands? Bullshit. Magic Johnson is alive today because of Antiretrovirals, of which AZT was the first.
The median survival time of AIDS patients on azidothymidine was 4.5 times higher when compared to a historical AIDS group who had not received the drug.
From 145 patient studies, done with placebo.
There’s another article just below that talking about a study with 282 patients and the adverse health affects.
Again, I was more talking about the article.
No, you weren’t. You were injecting your own pseudoscienentific opinion. AZT did not “kill thousands” and the article did not make that claim, so you’re sourcing it from a notable liar.
If you want to talk about why the study was not ideally run, be my guest, but AZT is effective for what it does: Preventing HIV from using the cheapest pathway to insert itself into your genome. It is why it’s still part of the drug cocktail to this day.
Drugs kill people, thousands isn’t very many. Iatrogenic, whatever, people die from chemotherapy although it’s hard to establish whether they would have without the cancer already being present. HIV has killed many more, and anti-retrovirals work, even if all drugs have side-effects.
Even so - I’m busy so I’m not going to bother listening to the podcast, but I assume he’s being misrepresented because that’s usually the case nowadays.
No
This is my default assumption on all slander articles like this. I stopped listening to JRE when he went Spotify exlusive so I can’t comment on anything recent, but having listened to every single podcast episode from probably equally controversial podcaster Sam Harris, it’s quite hilarious to compare the actual content of the podcast to what these articles are saying.
Most of the people critizising people like Joe Rogan here have never listened a single episode of their shows. While there’s plenty of legitimate reasons to critizise for aswell, most of the stuff I hear are bad faith misrepresentations and quotes out of context.
I’ve listened to Rogan. Edited or unedited, he’s a dumbfuck.
Not liking someone is different that intentionally misrepresenting their or their quest’s views. You’re free to dislike him all you want, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah. I agree with you. I definitely don’t agree with a lot that Rogan says and as he even says, he’s not smart. With this said, he has very intellectual guests.
I was merely stating that Vice, along with most corporate media outlets, like to completely chop up his interviews and create a hit piece from quotes out of context; people eat it up and rage about it and it’s not just Rogan this happens to. Those media outlets love to create anger and turmoil from nothing; most people can’t think for themselves, so headlines and trash articles are how they make opinions
Joe Rogan is living embodiment of being so open minded that your brains fall out.
Take my wife!
This is a 9 minute beat poem about a conversation with a podcaster.
In an airy studio, mics standing proud and tall,A host with a voice smooth as a vinyl’s call. Across the table, there sits a guest, Eyes bright, ready to contest.
The host begins, “Welcome, listeners, to our weekly dive, Where thoughts and ideas vividly come alive. Today’s guest, someone quite unique, Brings perspectives some might seek.”
And there she was, her aura all aglow, Storm, not her name, but what she seemed to sow. With every word, a challenge, a fight, Against the conventional, the known, the right…
I mean that’s beautifully put……
But unfortunately it’s simpler than that. It’s the story of a reasonable man that achieved beyond his dreams and then flipped sides because of money and status.
“Suddenly I have an opinion on the capital gains tax.” Type of stuff.
Was he a ‘reasonable man’ before or after he decided the moon landings were fake?
Many reasonable people believe all sorts of nutty shit.
Until it becomes actively harmful, I don’t care much.
I’m not seeing how you can be both reasonable and believe there is a vast government and scientific conspiracy to cover up multiple fake moon landings. Sort of seems like a one or the other thing to me.
Maybe you need to get out more 😝
I don’t personally believe in it, but I also don’t care if you do.
It’s not about what you personally care about, it’s about what you are defining as a reasonable person. It does explain why so many people think Trump is a very stable genius though.
I suspect he means reasonable as in “a normal decent person you could be good neighbors or colleagues with” not a reasonable person as in “a person endowed with the faculty of reason”.
I, too, have an opinion on the capital gains tax. It should be taxed at the same rate as income. We can let them keep the exception on the first half million in profit because I’m feeling nice today.
It’s actually higher in many scenarios.
What needs to be taxed like income is loans against the stocks
Tax idle stock while you’re at it. 1% per share, per current price, per quarter.
Or a simple .01 cent financial transaction tax. Absolutely no effect on the average person, a huge way to raise revenue from bankers and stock traders.
Agreed, or just a minimum amount of time that stocks can be owned to kill the high-frequency traders.
You guys invent the most imaginative stories. You could even be a guest on Rogan it is so interesting!
Ok, I’ll bite, you don’t believe he’s changed?
Or you think he’s still very reasonable?
Make your case
He’s become more defiant at people screaming for him to change for sure. And he’s hardened his stance on progressives trying to live out others lives. But not in the sense that I’m reading from you and others. He’s not becoming new gop cheerleader or corporate mascot (outside the actual ads of course) or flipped as you call it. Fuck he was never on your side before COVID and everyone flipped their shit. He had on all sorts of people.
As for question 2, no he was never reasonable, he’s a fucking moron.
He’s just an idiot, he doesn’t like to be told what to do, and he’s now going to let the Internet screaming at him change what he does. It’s not done plot. He’s just an idiot and progressives have gone full crazy on him.
My side? lol you’re assuming a lot, you don’t know my side, you just know the I think rogan is an asshat.
He’s got a big platform and he’s allowing the promotion of some fairly harmful content…… that in itself seems like a problem, no?
I definitely believe that he just “doesn’t like to be told what to do”, that’s entirely his vibe.
I’m curious what you mean by “progressives trying to live out other peoples lives”
I wish this idiot would have a stroke and die in his sleep.
Rogan or Weinstein?
“Yes”
With all the red meat he eats it’s probably coming
Joe Rogan: What dumb people think smart people are like.
Aka, The Big Bang theory for bros.
He has a head filled with ground beef and he looks like a thumb.
He’s got beef brain
That’s insulting to both ground beef and thumbs, but I’ll allow it because it’s accurate.
The Bro Bang Theory
Fear Factor Famous!
Rogan is such a shit. I can’t wait for his endorsement of Trump. You know that asshole’s endorsement is coming. And he’ll do it while talking about how old Biden is and ignoring the fact that Trump is only four years younger. Because he’s a fucking idiot.
he was around during trump, he endorses the same things as trump, the same candidates as trump, with a few exceptions in both, and says “nah bro, I’m just thinking for myself and outside the mainstream”
He is Bernie Sanders guy, there’s no Trump endorsement coming. If anyone, it would be Kennedy he would endorse I think, but I don’t remember him ever endorsing anyone at all. Not sure why you’re so pissed at the guy when you kinda seem to have no idea the type of candidates the guy is into. Ya he has some fucking way out there views and ideas for a guy with such a huge platform, but if you’re paying attention at all he is way more on the Sanders end of the scale. He brings people like Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, and Kennedy on. And I’m pretty certain he’s said he’d never host Biden or Trump on the show, I think he like a lot of us, fuck both these two guys, give us someone worth voting for…
He is Bernie Sanders guy, there’s no Trump endorsement coming.
Oh is he now?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/country-thriving-joe-rogan-says-162219415.html
Ya… Where’s the trump endorsement in your link? There’s not one. There’s nothing in that that contradicts what I said.
Nowhere? Because he hasn’t endorsed him yet? Hence what I said and you replied to?
Explain to me how someone who is in favor of less regulations and who praises Trump would be a “Bernie Sanders guy?” Because he said he would vote for Bernie Sanders in 2015? Big fucking deal.
He praised Trump.
He wants less regulations.
He also moved to Texas so he could pay fewer taxes.
He’s a Republican. Clearly.
By the way, did you even read the article?
When the episode’s guest Patrick Bet-David asked Rogan whether Trump would get his vote, Rogan replied, “He’d get my vote before Biden.”
There’s still no endorsement in that. Ya I did read the article. Have you ever watched any of the interviews with any of the people I mentioned? Probably not. And your quote misses the nuance of course… It’s possible he votes third party. 🤷🏻♂️ But whatever. Who cares. Rogan, Trump, Sanders, Biden, none of this matters. Rogan is a podcast, it’s entertainment, he’s not what’s causing this world to be shit. He isn’t what causes us to have terrible choices for president. Guy is just talking to people. Just move on if you don’t like what he says, lots of people to listen to. I have actually listened to his show, I’m not just parroting what someone wrote in yahoo knows who might not have actually watched much of him, who might also have a negative bias towards him, but whatever. Nuance. There’s none.
Again- I know there is no endorsement in the article because, again, he hasn’t endorsed him yet.
I mean did you even know what you were replying to when you replied to me or do you not understand the differences between past, present or future?
I would vote for x over y is an endorsement.
he has also praised bernie sanders. had him on the podcast actually its one of his more famous episodes i believe
Which came last, when he praised Bernie Sanders in 2015 or when he praised Trump in 2023?
Because I’m pretty sure the order in which those two things happen might give an indication on who he’s going to vote for in 2024 and tell people about as well.
That and the quote I pasted where he literally says he’d vote for Trump and praised Trump getting rid of regulations.
Getting rid of regulations- sounds totally like something Bernie Sanders, the democratic socialist, would be in favor of. Right?
Is it that you guys (and Rogan) don’t actually know what Bernie believes in?
He had Sanders on eons ago and Gabbard has flipped Republican.
I fully expect Rogan to endorse RFK Jr.
interesting how the standard Presidential term is also four years…
Someone should tell those babies born with AIDS to stop taking poppers.
What are you talking about, the mother takes the poppers and then the baby reaches into her gut and eats a few. Bam AIDS! We need fetus D.A.R.E programs now.
Fetal peer pressure is getting out of hand!
Sounds like the same baby that injected a whole weed that one time
I heard one whole weed is enough to kill 19 people.
