Gen Z is a better generation than mine
As a millennial, I’m proud. Every generation should strive to be better than the last.
Gen-Xer here, and I agree. I’m impressed with all of the younger generations, from you guys to the Zs. Gen-Alpha is still fairly young, but no reason to believe they won’t also follow suit.
Other than a significant portion of them getting sucked into bullshit from the likes of Andrew Taint et al.
Can Z fuck the corpos before the corpo algorithms fuck Alpha?
BET NOW!
That’s cool n all, but this chick is now blacklisted from every company with an HR staff bigger than 1 over worked offshore person.
We can all applaud trying to stick it to the man, but this is going to show up on every background report for the rest of her life.
I think the point is for you to meditate on that fact.
I did, for all of a couple seconds, then I remembered what’s on the background checks for some of the employees I’ve seen.
Cloudflare is a shit company with a shit reputation. A new employee getting shat on in real time is not something to end your career with.
What’s Cloudflare’s shit reputation? I thought they were the go-to service to prevent DDOSing.
I won’t work for a company that scores less than 4. (Depending on the size, but that’s generally the shit hole threshold)
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Cloudflare-Reviews-E430862.htm
Bro he’s saying that you’re supposed to realize how fucked up it is (and ideally be revolted) that corporations - who don’t give a shit about you or anyone else - team up to prevent bright young adults from having a career and affording to live as payback for exposing their inhumanity/making them look foolish.
Instead you’re over here like “yeah I lick corporate boot and will gladly accept being stepped on if I get to keep my career.” This girl is a hero for standing up to the likes of cloudflare and we should all aspire to have her courage.
Keep aspiring…meanwhile India is chomping at the bit to get this job, they’ll do it for pennies on the dollar, and depending on the worker, they’ll be fucking good at it.
If someone calling out a shit company for being a shit company stops all companies from wanting to hire that person (note: I’m not saying you’re wrong about this), more people should be calling out the fact that every single company in America outright regards themselves as shit companies with no intention of changing that fact. That’s a far-reaching systemic failure that should not go unchecked. I’m sure most of these influencers know damn well what the risks are, and those risks are part of the problem mate.
That’s kind of my point…they have no idea what the risks are. I don’t really even think this is a shitty corporate thing. When I do a background check and something like this comes up, I’m not hiring this person. What if she publicly humiliates my company, or my team, or one of my teammates.
You can publicly humiliate me, I’m too old to give a shit.
This will come up on social background checks for the rest of her life. No one is going to risk a hire like that. Especially for something like sales where sales people are a dime a dozen.
I’ve also been concerned about negative outcomes for people based on the videos I’ve heard about and the one I saw posted before, but that’s what makes them so brave. The more they do it and the more such videos are normalized, the less harsh companies can be in retaliation.
Management being assholes is not as much a generational thing (at least, not as much as it seems) as the nature of what corporations expect of managers. The few amazing managers who somehow remain human while doing their job, who are good mentors, etc., are outliers.
I just don’t get what the end game is for this. Let’s say all of gen Z quits tomorrow over this. All of tech will simply move to Brazil, Eastern Europe, and India.
Since there’s really no social safety net, and we don’t give a fuck about the homeless…they do what exactly?
For example…the fortune 50 I worked at for a while has enough money to stop selling all their products and still be solvent for about a century at their current spend.
If they faced a general strike, they can hold out for generations. How long can the average American hold out for?
This general audience of this site feels like 15-25…they don’t realize the kind of power the big players have.
This is a step towards humanizing workers, legitimizing their concerns, and building solidarity so people are closer to being on the same page and might maybe agree that something needs to be done. Probably not from this cultural moment, but if enough of them like this happen in succession and get enough attention, then something could change. If you want to discuss parallel economies and mutual aid networks, that’s a whole other discussion.
This is the first “TikTok trend” I’ve seen that doesn’t make me cringe
Every TikTok trend should make you cringe. They’re all aiding a hostile dictatorship.
honestly you could’ve left a single comment in opposition against tiktok and left it there but had the audacity to voice against it multiple times.
sure tiktok is pure evil spyware, you aren’t wrong, but mate just calm down and speak your concerns in a single comment and call it a day.
more karma too lmao
Fuck Karma, I came here to express myself.
with how passionate you are with this opinion i thought you were trolling and farming for internet points
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Funny as hell. The manosphere bros who took it seriously made it even funnier
Just wait for the inevitable fakes to show up.
Wow, they’re almost showing signs of intelligence. So close.
Gen Z is also more compassionate than we were at that age, they know about things like consent and when someone is uncomfortable but not verbally expressing it. They also stabilize in the job market as they age up.
Means fuck all when they give China blank checks en masse. If I could chose a compassionate dead person or a logical alive one, I would rather Gen Z learned to protect themselves better.
lol as if Gen Z earns enough money to give blank cheques to anyone
If it takes them pennies to use an automated fraud system on millions of people then it doesn’t matter how little they can take, but taking a small amount from those who have little is more damaging than a large amount from people with wealth to spare. Median wealth in the USA for under 35 is $39,000 and average is $183,500 .
Imagine the majority of an entire generation with frozen credit scores unable to obtain vehicles, homes, business loans, and with identities so thoroughly compromised that the thieves have a better chance of verifying themselves than the real person. Tens of Millions of people. The USA would become financially crippled when extreme poverty is already a concern according to UN Special Investigations. It could ruin us for decades.
Even if YOU have nothing to lose, why would unashamedly wish that harm on so many others? For vines, but worse.
Better be including all ages then because everyone is on that thing.
Everyone who uses it is a threat to themselves and our society as a whole, that is how big a threat I think it is and I wholeheartedly believe China is willing to make full use of the authority they’ve been given. But it’s mostly the kids.
And I assume this is self reported data, so it’s probably even more children than just that.
This shows an almost perfectly even distribution across all age groups …
It shows exactly what I said it shows, but also why does it even matter in the context of this discussion?
Because you’re blaming the kids but 75% of the users aren’t kids
Your stats show it’s not just kids…
Unless you consider anyone under 50 to be kids.
My stats show the largest age group is kids, and the lower the age the higher the user percentage.
So kids: 25% ok Non kifs: 75% 🤔
Fuck off with that noise. The whole damn world is giving China money you fool. Who do you think makes everything we consume.
TikTok is no worse than FB just different governments and from what I’ve seen the USA has done more to harm the world than China. And I’m a Brit that has a government that has committed horrors of epic proportions.
Chinese Exports have very recently plunged as a result of embargoes and tariffs due solely to how the rest of the world views them as a threat. FB Meta is paying a 5 Bn USD FCC Fine for how they handle data, more fines in other nations as well, and is currently in lawsuits in several countries as well. TikTok is worse because when they cause serious irreparable harm they don’t get sued or fined in their homeland: they get rewarded for a job well done.
As a Gen-Xer whose been beaten into believing you can’t realistically “fight the man”, I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.
As a Gen-Xer whose been beaten into believing you can’t realistically “fight the man”, I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.
Seriously. Give them hell Gen-Z!
The housing market is fucked, economic mobility is fucked, the climate is fucked. They’ve already lost to the man, what else do they have to lose?
The kids are alright!
The kids are alright
Valuable information to have for yourself and others
Brittany is a narcissist who got fired because she makes everything about Brittany… she didn’t even allow the HR guy to finish a sentence before she had to actually interrupt him and start explaining why they were wrong… you got fired because you don’t listen, Brittany baby…
Here’s your breakfast
uh huh, bunch of rebel memers
Whoa whoa whoa you cant just let boss say that to you. Not with dirty shoes! Get those shoes cleaned up first before you talk again and make sure to say thank you
The meeting was specifically about her. That’s not narcissistic.
She knew she was being laid off, so there’s no need to hear the HR person out to completion. Say your part, and be on your way.
Boot licker
you’re a narcissist worshipper, like a lot of people nowadays… you answer the call to the Cult of Personality…
They fired her, listening to these folks ain’t her job anymore.
Why would I care about the HR guy’s canned message to me when I’m being terminated?
I quit Lowe’s a few months ago and they mistakenly gave me an exit interview. Not only did I put my grievances in writing, but I was adamant that the “HR” person typed what I was saying verbatim.
There’s no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
I love exit interviews.
P.s. Chris, you were the worst manager I’ve ever had. You’re a terrible human. That’s why the entire department left and got hired at another company… the one I went to. The entire department, Chris. I made that happen.
I’m of the opposite opinion. Exit interviews are just a way a company can further pretend to give a shit what you think, while not actually giving a shit. Do you really think what you say will make a difference?? If they didn’t listen to you while you were working, why would they listen to you if you’ve quit? It’s all smoke and mirrors designed to make you feel good while giving the company marketing material to say, ‘we listen’ when they don’t. HR is on team company. They are not your friend. The odds of them actually doing anything different based on an exit interview is zero. If anything, they’ll use what you say against you to frame it as ‘clearly he/she is not a happy person’ so they just dismiss what you say. Just like they did when you were working for them.
I deny them that chance so I don’t do them.
Fuck them. Leave and say nothing and just be happier at your new job. They had their chance and blew it. You don’t owe them anything and you’re better off channeling that energy into something more in line with what makes you happy.
That’s just my take though.
They don’t care whether you think they give a shit or not. The contract has already ended, they have no “legal” motivation to give you the light of day.
The reason exit interviews exist is that some people within the company do care about employee feedback / retention rate, because from a strictly practical point of view, hiring/training costs many thousands of dollars for any vaguely skilled position so knowing if there is an avoidable problem is valuable.
The flip-side is that in most cases, circumstances are out of control of whoever is in charge of exit interviews. If an employee quits for personal reasons, can’t do anything about it. If the owner is a cunt, can’t do anything about that either. However, if five employees quit because “Chris is the worst manager in the world”, then maybe Chris will eventually find himself “promoted” to a non-management position.From an employee perspective playing nice and being professional can be worthwhile, depending on the size of the industry, whether you’re willing to burn bridges, and the importance of networking for your job position. The company you were working for may suck but your previous manager might get a new job and offer to hire you there.
Well, Chris got fired… so, yeah I guess losing an entire department in a weeks time, each person citing Chris as the reason, might cause some actions.
But what do you think that accomplished?
Even if the HR person did type it verbatim and show it to you, they’re just going to turf it the second you leave and spin a tale that makes their boss happy.
There’s zero chance that the upper management who needed to hear what you said actually heard it.
Meh, they get taken seriously at least where I work. Especially if they were a high performer or if there is a significant trend in departures.
That said, some leadership will hear parts that don’t make them feel so bad and gasp onto those.
There’s no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
" Yeah great, well I generally come in at least 15 minutes late. I, uh, use the side door, that way Lumberg can’t see me and, uh, after that I just sort a space out for about an hour. Yeah I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I’m working. I do that for, uh, probably another hour after lunch too. I’d say in a given week I probably only do about 15 minutes of real, actual, work. Oh yeah, let me tell you something about TPS reports. See the thing is Bob, it’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I just don’t care. It’s a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don’t see another dime. So where’s the motivation? And here’s something else, Bob, I have eight different bosses right now. Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation, is not to be hassled. That and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that’ll only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired. Listen, I’m going to go. Uh, it’s been really nice talking to both of you guys. Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really well."
Never cease to amaze me. Go Gen Z.
I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.
I’m surprised some are defending the CloudFlare HR rep. How is it “confrontational” to ask questions? At that point, all I would care about is unemployment and setting the record straight.
These recordings could save your ass.
I guess but companies will probably just counter by laying people off by text.
Then you share the text messages. Even easier
So it costs even less bandwidth to share?
“I have, like, really given my whole energy and life over the last four months to this job, and to be let go for no reason is like a huge slap in the face from a company that I really wanted to believe in,”
First mistake was giving your whole life. Second mistake was believing in a company.
Bet that person is never loyal again. Live and learn.
Millennial / Gen X cusp here. I feel like this really started with my generation. Many people no longer look for a job, they look for a job that allows them to make the world a slightly better place. Many of us have had that drilled into our heads from childhood.
Companies know this, so that’s what they sell when they’re hiring. And when you combine that with the cognitive bias for people wanting to do good through their work, this is the result.
Bingo. I mean I accepted pretty early on that A. I wouldn’t enjoy working and B. Someone else is going to make a lot of money off what I do.
As long as I work for an employer that does something or makes something that can be a net positive, I feel like I’ve found something good.
-is the lie I keep telling myself
This is effectively the only tool we will ever have against them, and we should use it before too much of the labor force is converted and automated, and the remaining employed shut up out of fear.
A company like Microsoft worth 3 trillion dollars (with a T), who spends billions to acquire another business in a strategic move, should not be allowed to dump the burden on the thousands of people they let go afterwards, just so the books look good.
They pull billions out of the company in profit, and then claim the company is broke and needs to distribute some losses socially. It’s completely insane that we just allow this to happen in mass. I’m lucky I can choose my companies and I don’t touch the big big corporations so it doesn’t affect me, but we need to do something collectively fast.
I worked for them in a division that was very customer facing. We got told over and over things we needed to improve the experience weren’t in the budget. I always vaguely waved my hands in the air with a “look at the piles of money” face.
I think most people make this mistake when first entering the workforce though, right? I know I did. Now, I get called pessimistic and cynical. But, I’ve got three decades of experience at various levels of company. With all that experience, I’d prefer to call myself a realist.
Recruiters aren’t blind to it either, at least for more senior roles. They stopped talking about the “family” that they are, and how much more “fun” it is to work there. They also stopped asking me why I chose this company, and instead ask me why I chose this role, because they know I don’t give a shit about the company. They cut straight to “here is the pay and benefits, we give extra for this that and that”. It should be like that for all levels, from junior to director.
Yes, it should be. But businesses aren’t people, they don’t have a conscience, they don’t care about their employees. They will use any tool they can to underpay someone, and work that same person harder than the rest of the team paid more. Because, they can.
If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength. would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet-!
I worked at Disney for 5 years, they gave me a yearly incentive to stay with them, bonuses, and my 5 years of service pin… and then laid me off a month later.
Funny how quickly and easily the media can turn “generations” against each other
I don’t care what the source is, if there’s a Gen [insert whatever] or Millennials might be to blame for [insert whatever] I’m already at a -10 on the trust meter right out the gate.
I didn’t try my first avocado toast until like a year ago and lemme tell ya. Seeing as how eating it somehow went back in time and made me unable to afford a house, I expected it to be a lot more magical.
Ahhh so that’s why I’m broke, sometime in the future I eat avocado toast.
the way they alienate gen z as being “conditioned” to like social feedback on ticktok is really denigrating to me. As if every other generation was not conditioned to believe certain social taboos, mores and practices. Same old “young kids don’t know shit” rhetoric. Which viewers at home will just ingest w/o any sort of critical thought process.
I see it plenty without the media stoking it. Here on Lemmy, etc.
It’s the same dumb tribalism as always, often backed up by some real data or trends (that tend to get twisted)
No, not every “boomer” is spoiled and ruining America, and 75% of the people you call boomers aren’t even boomers. Not every Gen Z is lazy and entitled and scrolling phones all day. Etc.
Crabs in a bucket. If we can’t find the things that make us alike with our cohorts, it’s going to be very difficult to ever affect any sort of change.
Boomers don’t consider any generation after them “cohorts”. They consider them subservient.
The median age of U.S. senators is 65. Who do you think is voting for those people?
The Boomer generation absolutely deserves to be shit on.
Who do you think refuses to vote against them?
Jeff
Exactly, fuck Jeff!
Good call, let’s vote against genocidal Joe.
Buddy I’m not here to convince you of anything. If you wanna believe not showing up to vote is just as bad as making a conscious decision and the effort to vote for these procorporate trash ghouls in the Senate that’s your choice. As for me: I choose to say Boomers are responsible for who they vote for and who they vote for is trash, so they are trash.
Who the fuck would we vote for? Genocide Joe or Cheeto Mussolini? They rigged the primary against Bernie twice. Democracy is fucked in this country.
I love Gen Z, which is why I’m so upset that the dumb fucks are using TikTok.
Don’t worry, it’s spreading to Gen X and Y too.
That’s perfect. Once old folks take over the platform, it will be uncool and die.
Can’t blame them, my generation popularized social networks even after finding out what they were for.
I can blame them for picking the one that is spyware for the world’s largest hostile dictatorship, you absolute concavebrain moron. Anybody who at this point doesn’t realize what TikToks intended purpose is are willfully ignorant.
What’s with the fucking attitude? Chill.
150 Million Americans are giving the keys to the kingdom to a hostile militaristic dictatorship with the potential to do harm on a scale beyond anything you’ve ever seen
in return for vines but worse.
This is one of those issues where “GET MAD” is the correct response.
“Hostile militaristic dictatorship” is just the United States. There’s almost zero difference between the US and China in those regards. The only real difference is that Chinese citizens are actually being lifted out of poverty at a rate not seen at any point in history while the US is continuing to impoverish their citizens. Both of them spy on their citizens and have insanely racist cultures.
There’s no moral difference between using TikTok and Facebook.
“GET MAD” at the proper institution/organizations/companies, not your fellow commenter, who is not even denying what you’re saying. I’m not saying you’re wrong, you’re just being a dick about it.
I live in a democracy. The proper institutions and organizations to police this issue is my fellow commentator.
Believing the USA has better motives is pretty moronic too. Especially if you live in the USA
Oh is the local Democracy who fines companies like FaceBook billions for doing exactly what TikTok is trying to do
equivalent in your eyes to
The Militaristic Expansionist Hostile Dictatorship who created TikTok to do exactly what FaceBook did and rewards them accordingly?
Thanks for you opinion, dude.
Again, you need to take a step back. The USA has had much more aggressive and violent international policies than China. It being a democracy (which is itself arguable) does not matter.
And Snowden showed us that the USA are, again, not better than China in terms of mass surveillance.
China is a problem, but if you can’t see why the global south sees them as a balancing force rather than a threat, well, again, take a step back.
China is literally annexing it’s neighboring countries and killing multiple different ethnic minorities en masse. Not 60 years ago, not 10 years ago, right now. It’s happening right now.
Because they are a Dictatorship. They’re being ruled by an unaccountable class of people.
You know why Snowden was such a big deal? Because an arm of the US Government did something illegal by its own laws and he exposed it, leading to massive controversy and political action. Because in the USA the people have protections against that sort of thing.
Don’t blame me, I ditched Facebook as soon as my mom joined and never looked back.
Also how quickly they can invent ‘trends’ we should be fearful of simply because some middle-aged reporter watched a couple similar videos online. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go eat some tide pods before my scheduled game of knockout.
This is the most punk rock thing I’ve seen folks do in a long time.
Have you seen more than the one video floating around? Cuz I’ve only seen the one, could use some more for the spank bank.
I feel for this woman I really do, but, I don’t feel like she did her research beforehand. Had she, she would’ve immediately seen that cloudflare is an absolutely despicable, corpo nightmare, a shining beacon of what every publicly traded company aspires to be. She could’ve seen this coming. Or she did and choose to ignore it, thinking it wouldn’t happen to her.
Grab a coffee, this is a long one:
https://0xacab.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/readme/en.md
Been in the tech industry for 15 years now.
Every tech company is shit in some way.
Been at my current company for 9 years. It’s pretty great, never had a knife in my back or anything. And still I remember every day that it’s a company, whose only goal in existence is making money, and if a set of numbers on a sheet are balanced in a certain way, I’ll still lose my job, regardless of my reputation, work ethos or anything else. Keeps me grounded I can “believe” in my company without having to really drink the kool-aid.
I mean, people need jobs to pay the bills. She might have decided it was a risk she’d have to run
The whole talk of “I wanted to believe in this company” is just to disarm the HR people
