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    Funny enough I thought that was the Elon Musk real account initially 🤣, I could actually see him replying that.

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    This is funny.

    Trump trolls can’t argue about that, so they’re here pretending to suddenly care about Palestine or wars in general, worthless deplorables

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      You know, or people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and won’t vote for him in 2024 for being a strike blocking, genocide supporting piece of shit.

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    what’s it referring to? my only guess is the re-sending of a similar Israel/Ukraine support bill?

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        ugh… I wasn’t thinking outside the box hard enough to connect it to the football game…

        thanks though!

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      There’s a conspiracy theory that the Superbowl was rigged for the Chiefs so that Taylor Swift would somehow be able to throw more support to Biden. Some even said she’d come out during halftime and make a plug for him.

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      It is referring to the rampant evil fascism that both the DNC and the RNC are engaging in.

      The legions of poli-sci neckbeards who actually do things in between octogenarian photo shoots are the same and aparently “The Party” only has edgy fascist violence to offer.

      Meanwhile, its been exactly 10 years and Flynt Michigan still does not have potable water.

      MOTHER FUCKING FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

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        Meanwhile, its been exactly 10 years and Flint Michigan still does not have potable water.

        https://www.mlive.com/news/flint/2023/12/latest-testing-shows-lead-in-flints-water-but-levels-remain-below-federal-threshold.html

        Lead levels were below the federal threshold in 2023, although they did rise in the second half of the year.

        Speaking as a chemical engineer, it is impossible to remove 100% of a contaminant, no matter what substance we’re talking about. All you can do is reduce the concentration until it’s in benign levels, which is what the federal thresholds are. I had a college class that briefly mentioned it once, but the standard iirc is effectively set at a value where the increased risk of injury is lower than everyday exposure risks.

        In other words – if you’re going to go all “both sides”, pick something which is an actually an issue, instead of spreading fake news and pontificating on it. If both sides are truly as equally bad as you say, you can surely find a different issue which is still a problem, instead of one that is largely solved. And hey, if this is the best you can find, maybe that said something about your claim.

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          A “both sides” guy should be able to show that these two parties are equally bad in all ways, or that if one party is better for one aspect they are worse in a different aspect. I don’t think they can.

          Especially where we are at: one party committed an insurrection and is running the insurrectionist as their candidate. There is no room for acting like they’re equally bad, because the book burnings have already started.

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        If you’re mad about undrinkable water in a single city, are you not more mad about what happens to the EPA under deregulatory administrations?

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    Is this in reference to the Security Aid Bill or something? You can really see how out of touch they are with the reality in Israel that they cut UNRWA funding and supplied 14.1 Bn USD to Israel to continue the fight and then simultaneously pledged 9.15 Bn USD to help supply food and water in Gaza…

    How do they not realize that Israel does not intend to leave Palestinian people alive in Gaza to begin with? The writing is on the wall.

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        The official post above the image has a caption “Just like we drew it up.” That’s what I’m asking about, I cannot think of anything else happening today but the discussion and possible vote on the Security Aid Bill. If there is something else, please enlighten me.

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          The superbowl… there was a massive wave of conspiracy theories regarding Biden, Swift, and the Superbowl. All nonsense, with the president’s PR team leaning into how ridiculous it all was.

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            Ahh okay okay. Sorry, I don’t really follow sports or celebrity worship so I’m a bit detached from that situation.

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    Gotta love how a stupid laser eye edit is enough to send the fascists and their red painted collaborators into a spiraling rage about how easy it is to make them look like idiots.

    Biden didn’t even have to do anything for this one, it was all the morons doing it to themselves

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          Self proclaimed leftists who curiously always insist on the course of action that most expediently grants power to the fascists.

          Usually under the guise of teaching those nasty wasty establishment dems a lesson for amything ranging from not doing what they want to doing what they want but not as zealously as they think it should have been done to attempting to do it exactly as demanded but getting blocked by the republican stacked court system, (never ask these “leftists” why the republicans were able to stack those courts), to even doing the thing exactly as demanded but it wasn’t done by Bernie Sanders or the ghost of Upton Sinclair so “fuck you and your lib shit!”

          The more mask off ones will just outright say they’re accelerationists who see everyone else losing their rights and lives as worth it for the white privilege socialists to be able to have their rapture revolution afterwards. “First Hitler then our Turn” energy if you’re familiar with Thalman’s communist party in Weimar Germany.

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              It’s the same person who posted the original comment. They probably know what they meant.

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                  Since first coming into existence, Socialist groups have used the colour red (‘the blood of the people’) for their primary colour. This is why anywhere except the US, the ‘left’ parties - republicans in a ‘fuck the monarchy’ variety - use the colour red.

                  So the joke here is it’s non-Left-leaning people who ‘paint themselves red’ to pretend to be what they are not.

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            I’m still deciding what I’m going to do, but will the democratic party not just keep moving towards the right if they know they can get our votes as long as they’re just to the left of the republicans? Are we just cooked no matter what we do?

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              The US has a long way ahead if it wants to make its democracy functional again. They’re proud of their old democracy, but there’s nothing to be proud of when clearly it needs serious reforms to prevent stuff like the one you mentioned.

              Direct action, community work, and trying to make people more radically democratic helps.

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      It turns out that the village idiot(s) are a larger percentage of our population than previously anticipated.

      Possibly due to widespread chronic lead poisoning but the verdict is still out there.

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      Some right wing pro-Trump conspiracy theorists think that Taylor Swift is some sort of government asset and that the Super Bowl was rigged in order for the Chiefs to win and that it’d be used as a platform for Taylor Swift to endorse Biden or brainwash viewers or something.

      This tweet is poking fun, like ‘everything is going according to plan’. But in real life the heavily favored team won, Swift was there because she’s the girlfriend of one of the players, and Taylor Swift fans are generally left-leaning because demographics

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        Oh, I’m guessing I have to deal with a shitload of Chiefs jersey wearing people yelling at work today and comparing their gambling wins?

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        All correct except the “heavily favored team won”. The Chiefs weren’t really seen as a good team for most of the year and weren’t expected to win.

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          Most of the year is irrelevant. They had a stellar post-season and nobody is calling it an “upset” because it wasn’t surprising to anyone that the Chiefs pulled it off.

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            Not sure what you’re arguing here. I didn’t call it an “upset”. I said they weren’t the “heavily favored team”.

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              Ok, but when a “heavily favored team” loses, that’s called an upset. I’m not really invested at all in this, just wanted to note that lots of folks were betting on the chiefs and that the regular season isn’t that good of a proxy for post season performance. I wish your favored sportsball team good fortune.

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                Ok, but when a “heavily favored team” loses, that’s called an upset. I’m not really invested at all in this, just wanted to note that lots of folks were betting on the chiefs and that the regular season isn’t that good of a proxy for post season performance. I wish your favored sportsball team good fortune.

                Thanks for looking out for us, champ.

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            They did win last year, but their team looked nothing like the same team for most of the season. In the last few years, they’ve been known for their high powered offense, putting up tons of receiving yards every game. This year, their offense was pretty bad, especially their receiving during regular season. But their defense was playing well and allowed them to make the playoffs. If you look at power rankings from the first week of the playoffs, most people had them in the bottom part of their rankings.

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        The better team won, but they were not picked to be the favorite. Which I think adds to the conspiracy.

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      … yes. somebody, explain it to the European. (Don’t mind me pretending like I know… while paying rapt attention…)

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        A while back there was an incident where someone tried to say Fuck Biden and apparently it came out sounding like Brandon. So people started saying Brandon for their own pettyness where they thought saying Brandon and not just saying fuck Biden was more professional. (Cowards)

        Then Bidens office owned it after a photo came out where they cropped a blue and red background to look like Biden was just standing in front of just a red background (ominous, like the sith) instead of acting like a child and when they made “aggressive” moves or did something the republican party didn’t like they started using the term Dark Brandon that popped up online.

        Republicans were saying Swift was possibly going to endorse Biden, which is dumb, why would she split her income base while making millions/billions. So the Biden administration trolled them by saying “just like we planned it” insinuating that the game was rigged for Kansas City to win, so Swift would have a large platform to announce her support.

        As far as I know Swift has done nothing but tell people to make sure they vote…Republicans don’t like that, as Trump lost the majority vote in both elections he was in, but managed to still win the 2016 election due to the electorial college.

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          Okay. I understood all of that. now… can you explain all the rest of american politics? for our, uh, eurpoean friend? (They exist! honest!.. don’t look at me like that…)

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            Lol Where do you want me to start. I’ll do my best. Do we start pre 1776 to understand how we got to this mess or do you want an abridged last 30 years ordeal

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        This is me, but during projects new people join that I’ve been back burnering.

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    Great look Geoncidal Joe.

    Sleep for 3 years. Substantiate a genocide. Kick off WWIII. Snuff out primary challengers. Post a Homelander meme.

    How does this dipshit somehow make himself more egregious than Trump in the Nth hour?

    Let’s hope 2028 rakes in all the super pac donos for fed shills that he is trying to engineer with his absolutely absurd loss to orange man…

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      Really?

      You think a bit of Twitter sass comes even close to Donald Trump? With the sexual assaults, blatant nepotism, attacks (quite literally) on free speech, sedition, fraud, fearmongering and politicisation of an epidemic leading to the deaths of millions?

      You think Biden comes even close to Trump?

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        No, I think an actually perpetrated genocide push does. I think an actual union squash does. I think reckless global military aggression does. I think Biden is currently as culpable or more culpable than Bush Jr, and it chaps my ass to bone that Bush Jr is still out there doing watercolors in his cozy safe compound.

        Trump posted a lot of tweets but didn’t do anything beyond J6.

        Biden has enabled a genocide and done many other things that we simply cant come back from.

        Again. Both need to be locked up. Banished. Tortured. Dragged to Hades by imps with burning cold talons intentionally plunged into the most sensitive tissue on their decaying meat sacks. Chenney and Bush should take the car before Biden and Trump.

        But yes. Biden continually insists that he is as bad or worse than Trump, and both spell major war.

        So this is why I say the 2 party system must be rejected and we must keep both Trump and Biden out of office in 2025.

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          No, I think an actually perpetrated genocide push does.

          And what genocide would that be? The one being committed by the Israelis? What makes you think Trump wouldn’t do exactly the same? Or did you forget that Trump’s history with dealing with issues in the middle east? Or human lives in general?

          I think an actual union squash does.

          Because trump is soooo pro-worker. He’d never do the same or worse /s

          I think reckless global military aggression does.

          You mean like Trump actually did? Directly? As in he ordered shit to go down, as opposed to blaming Biden for Netanyahu’s actions? You do remember Trump directly nearly pulled us into a war with Iran right?

          I think Biden is currently as culpable or more culpable than Bush Jr, and it chaps my ass to bone that Bush Jr is still out there doing watercolors in his cozy safe compound.

          Why is Biden on equal levels to GWB here? Biden sold weapons to Israel, sure. GWB literally started a fucking war in Iraq for a literally made up reason.

          Trump posted a lot of tweets but didn’t do anything beyond J6.

          You’re kinda glossing over the part where Donald Trump tried to literally end American democracy.

          Biden has enabled a genocide and done many other things that we simply cant come back from.

          Oh fucking spare me. Donald Trump never gave two shits about the lives involved in the issues he was involved in. If he were in office today he’d be calling it an excellent business deal.

          Donald Trump is the kind of man that would kill millions of his own voters so he could politicise a deadly event. We know this because he literally did. Do you really think he’d give two fucks about selling weapons to Israel?

          The only thing that would make him have sleepless nights over it is the thought that he didn’t profit enough from it

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            And what genocide would that be? The one being committed by the Israelis?

            The one he was documented as instructing his Secretary of State to evade congressional oversight to deliver US explosives.

            Trump probably would. In his first term he was too incompetent to figure out how to.

            Because trump is soooo pro-worker. He’d never do the same or worse /s

            Remove “he is better than Trump” from your… extremely damaging contributions. I disavow both.

            Why is Biden on equal levels to GWB here?

            Because contrary to popular belief, GWB wasnt some complete unknowing doof. He was a co-author of the Plan for the New America Century. Which was some dystopian shit that basically, before the event, described what would happen after 9/11. And then he got the presidency and surprise surprise… 9/11 happened immediately after he got in office.

            Kind of like how Biden has a long track record of laying down policy in regards to Israel, and he becomes President, and Israel is genociding and he has ALL of the funding lines and back-room loopholes to really just let them Palestinians have it.

            You’re kinda glossing over the part where Donald Trump tried to literally end American democracy

            Yes, Trump has usurped the RNC primary process this season. And Biden killed the DNC primary process this season.

            Again, I hate and reject both.

            Oh fucking spare me.

            Youve made it clear. Your brain is incapable of understanding an order of operation beyond 1/0.

            Shut the fuck up and develop some critical thinking skills.

            This is low key a very important election. The DNC has signed in triplicate for WWIII and Dark Brandon just gave us a Homelander meme to let us know that is exactly what is going on.

            Trump on the other hand really missing his Diet Coke button and wants to give more money to Texas and Florida.

            Trump must be stopped. Biden must be stopped. RNC must be stopped. DNC must be stopped.

            Stop shitting your pants over Biden like he MUST WIN.

            He is also SUPER MEGA ULTRA BAD.

            We must reject the 2 party system.

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              We must reject the 2 party system.

              You and what army? Since you’ll need a population larger than the army to make any difference here. The 2 parties have a lot of power, you see. You can opt out of the whole thing but that doesn’t really do anything unless you have a large enough group of people voting for the same exact third party voter.

              No one here likes the 2 party system, but most of us realize that until we have a real uprising or groundswell support for someone who can win >50% of the vote, opting out of voting means throwing your right to actually making change in this country away - embracing slactivism.

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              You do realise there is such a thing as different of bad right?

              Kinda like how video game piracy isn’t on the same level of murder?

              See I never called Biden good. But ethically his record is a metric fuck ton cleaner than DJT or GWB.

              Biden has done some bad things and I don’t agree with him on everything. But it’s some fucking hyperbole to put him up next to a warmonger and a seditious traitor and put them all as equals.

              I’m not addressing the rest of your nonsense because it is just that. Starting with the fact that New American Century was infact a conservative movement for the Republican party, made by William Bristol and Robert Kagan, not Joe Biden.

              So maybe take your own advice and:

              Shut the fuck up and develop some critical thinking skills.

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                You did a great job undermining their rhetoric. To add, it’s important to dismantle their non-sequitur / logical-leap that is the oft-touted “Biden is responsible for Genocide in Gaza.” by wedge-drivers or people who drank the kool-aid.

                Many of us are cognizant of humanitarian crisis there, and genocide does appear to be happening (I say that as no international body to my knowledge as formally concluded such). But to place that all on Biden doesn’t make sense, considering:

                • Regardless, October 7th, too was a massacre in which Israel had some right to respond. Not saying they responded correctly, but:
                • It only took 3 months for the most staunchest ally and greatest foreign aid supplier to go from lockstep support to saying Israel is “Indiscriminately bombing” the people of Gaza as facts on the ground became established.
                • There are massive ramifications to pushing back on the Zionist state that has a routine habit of having campaigns of public shaming and misconstruing actions critical of their far-right nationalist government as being anti-Semitic. If one thinks the Russian IRA troll farm is bad, just wait. Especially when Republicans are ready to happily amplify that rhetoric.
                • It was not Joe who ordered the bombs to be dropped, knowing the collateral damage that awaited. That rests squarely on Bibi’s shoulders.

                You said the most important thing, which is that Trump would be an order-of-magnitude worse under these circumstances for the civilians of Gaza, and that should be more than enough for anyone logically thinking this through. Now Is it fair to put pressure on Biden to change course in supplying and supporting Israel? Sure, there’s a time and place insofar as that doesn’t enable Trump to win.

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              The DNC has signed in triplicate for WWIII and Dark Brandon just gave us a Homelander meme to let us know that is exactly what is going on.

              Oh my lordy you’ve hit QAnon levels of delusion.

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            Its very funny how the russian shills do such a good job of ignoring that the Gazan genocide is an orchestrated distraction. Oh yeah, lets totes vote against status quo joe bc (checks notes) genocide, so we can get the unequivocal slaughter of Ukrainians and, at that point, other Eastern Europeans. Great, great logic emanating from the propaganda campaign of our international enemy who stands to lose a great deal should their candidate in our election lose.

            Thanks for pushing back. Doing the lords work here.

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          And with that Lemmy post, the world took up arms and changed the whole system and everyone lived happily ever after

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            If only.

            And Kbin for the record.

            America is neck deep in fascism.

            Third party or major war.

            I dont see how it could happen, but I’m hoping for third party.

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              I wish we could magic it to happen, but Superbowl and other pressing matters, you know?

              For now, I’ll take war & late stage capitalism > war & late stage capitalism & bigotry & fuck my taxes

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        Bros toes paralyzed by diabetic neuropathy.

        This bitches toes couldn’t turn if they wanted it.

        Stfu “klishdfsdf”. You a clown.

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        I cant wait for the day after the election so lefties can shit on Biden rightfully and people stop pretending hes good.

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          I have shit on Biden and Dems whenever I feel like it, I’m just not a useful idiot / paid propagandist trying to pretend Biden is a worse choice than Donald, so it’s pretty well received. Maybe try that.

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              I couldn’t say for you, but the person above you is ignoring Ukrainians while being hopping mad about Palestinians, as if Repubs would be ending that conflict? Oh, but, mind you, ending the conflict without doing anything remotely close to escalation towards WWIII, which he is also enraged about and claiming is beginning.

              Elsewhere in here he is sobbing on behalf of Flint, Michigan. Donald was present for four of those years he is crying about? Did he do any infrastructure bills or anything to assist? No, it was trillions in handouts to billionaires and dismantling the EPA.

              His thesis here is “both sides equally bad” and “Biden has become worse than Trump.” Demonstratively untrue. So I can say there’s a decent chance that person is a Repub cosplaying or some sort of paid propagandist.

              IDGAF if you like or hate Biden. I don’t think you should side with or defend that person. They are dishonest, possibly deliberately so.

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          If that’s what you’re waiting for, then you really don’t have a grasp on the zeitgeist.

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            We’ll see.

            Exact same thing happened last election on reddit.

            Everyone rallied around Biden, straight after it was back to shitting on him, I expect little different here if he wins.

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              Sorry, can you please elaborate what you mean?

              • Are you saying Democratic supporters rallied behind Biden during the election, then got more critical of him once in office?
              • Are you saying it was right or wrong to do so?

              Personally I’ve always maintained that Biden is pretty average; but literally all I’m looking for during these days where rampant fascism and general bigotry is on the rise — and when our literal Democracy is on the line and trying to be actively thwarted by forces foreign and domestic — is stability. Average, stable sounds great relative to the guaranteed alternative. Such is the dichotomy we live with every election cycle.

              Yes, post-election when fascism may be averted, pressure rises from both sides: (1) From the left to try to compel Biden to greater action, and (2) Pure mudslinging from the right-wing propaganda machine. That’s par for the course and would be no different if Bernie himself was put in office.

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                I want Trump to lose, I don’t care who or how that happens.

                Im saying many leftists went on about how good he would be etc, so as to not lose momentum snd afterwards they went right back to being more honest about how shit he is.

                All i want is the return to that truth, because then we can start pushing for the radical changes needed. Biden and lib dems cannot be “compelled”, they dont listen to the concerns of the people over corporate interests. The only solution is to get back to agitating for overthrowing the state and working on that goal.

                It’s not long now until this election diversion is over and we can focus on more pressing issues, so I’m excited.

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            Define achieve?

            A lot of stuff was rebound from Covid lows and undoing Trump fuckery. He’s continued on with a lot of Obama’s policies and expanded on some.

            He campaigned on the status quo and that’s what he’s done, which is frankly not good because the status quo is exactly why the issues that existed in the first place exist.

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            The short answer is Biden is pretty average at best, meaning I think most average presidents in his position and circumstances would’ve done similar things. He’s stable in that regard.

            But that’s better than above-average fascist.

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        Yaas honey.

        Did you think the DNC newsletter was hood enough to report the many different military strikes that America has perpetrated in the middle east in the past month?

        Sweet “innocent” summer child.

        Biden’s pentagon just drone exploded EVERYONE in the middle east.

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      It would be if israel didn’t start bombing Rafah during the super bowl killing at least 67 people while israel played their $7million 30 second super bowl commercial about khamassss to brainwash Americans.

      “All according to plan” with the laser eyes Dark Brandon might not be the best timed meme after that.

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    this reelection campaign is getting cringier and cringier.

    how about not financing war and misery?

    how about not breaking up strikes?

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      This comment could literally apply to every president. Does Joe and the democrats suck? Yes! But at least they wouldn’t be actively trying to destroy America like Trump and Republicans.

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        Declaring 3 wars and getting us closer than ever to ww3 isnt actively destroying anything??? You guys are delusional.

        Yes! Your entire system is broken as fuck, and you next president is also gonna do this regardless. It applies to eery president because they are all bad.

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            sure, if thats gonna help you avoid dealing with the fascism your country is exporting to the world. maybe that helps when you get your hospital bills too.

            i know change is scary. there, there.

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              What was your constructive suggestion again? Cause all I heard was bitching with no clear sense on how we INSTALL AN ENTIRELY NEW GOVERNMENT. Thanks in advance.

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                leftism has all types of converging answers to that. there are enough ideas backed by practice to pick your poison comfortably.

                spoilers: its generally accepted you will have to get off the couch more than once every four years to vote for a 90-yr old. and actually read a few books maybe.