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There would still be a problem because while the USA have a big responsibility in the fight against climate change, they are far from the only country that needs to do something about it. It’s an us problem, not just a U.S. problem.
As the world’s financial powerhouse, the United States has both an outsized effect on climate change relative to our population, but also power to do something about it that extends far beyond our borders. Both treaties and commercial agreements can be used to lever other nations into responsible climate policies; we’ve been doing this with just about everything else for our entire existence. You ever wonder why weed is illegal everywhere in the world at about the same time? Or copyright laws that destroy the public domain? We did that. We could use that power for good, as well.
It seems like most other developed countries have been taking it more seriously. We could have been part of that group
In developing world, think of all the energy projects since then, that could have leapfrogged the technology directly to renewables. Heck, the extra decade or two of “free” energy could well have altered their economies
The thing is this is China too. I do buy their point that in many ways they have still been a developing country, they still have had so much population to bring forward, so much progress to make, while also being the worlds manufacturer. And when they’re in, they’re all in. Yeah they’ve continued to build coal, and maybe the US being serious about climate change could have influenced that for the last few decades, but everyone needs to remember that while they continued to build coal, they also were taking the worlds biggest steps in Renewables. This could have happened earlier.
Of course, but a country with the means the US have should lead by example. They don’t have a “big” responsibility, they have the greatest.
Horseshit
The oldest millennials in 2000 were 19 years old.
OP are you trying to finger wag us for decisions made by Boomers?
Nobody mentioned millennials or boomers.
I did.
I’ll rephrase, why did you mention millennials when millennials weren’t being targeted by the meme?
Who do you suppose OP was targeting?
People who would use the “both sides” logical fallacy in debates. Nothing about this post is directed at a specific generation.
So are you assuming OP has no idea what the average age of Lemmy users are? Or the average age of people who think Joe Biden is a strike blocking, genocide supporting piece of shit?
And then Obama won and he fixed the climate crisis and didn’t start any wars. Good thing we finally learned to vote for Democrat! Both sides schmoth sides!
And Genocide Joe of course is fixing every single issue right now. Such as killing all Palestinians which is the most important issue as all the Democrats focus goes to keeping israel’s Genocide going.
Assuming that all democrats across the last 24 years are all the same is utterly unreasonable.
Assuming that anything would have been fixed if people voted for the Democrat guy in one single election is utterly delusional. Imperialism has been a thing under Democrats as much as under Republicans
If a Democrat would not do imperialism he would quite literally get killed by the CIA
You all honestly deserve it. Even if I burn too.
What, are you a fucking alien that lives outside the earth?
I am someone who knows how you all act and am completely fed up with it.
You need to fucking grow up before it’s too late.
I am going to just leave the U.S. when the shit hits the fan. You are the only ones who are going to suffer. And even if I do, it won’t matter, because you brought this upon yourselves.
Good bye and good riddance, idiot
Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
Al Gore ceded without fighting and won the popular election, had he put an ounce of effort into contesting and asking people to demand justice in that election maybe something would have been different. He let hanging chads win and disappeared back into his bullshit senate job where he still had power like the coward, weakling. bootlicker, scumbag that all evil imperial managers truly are. Regardless, the president is not a king and doesn’t write or pass legislation. He was one of the most 100 most powerful people in the US at that time anyway and did fuck all.
The actual power base in the US government comes from congress and Al Gore with the 106th, fully Republican led, congress would have been a dead lock. They figured this shit out long ago way before you were born and both sides are the same.
He did put effort into fighting it, Jeb blocked the recount after it was found Gore had negative votes and Bush had more votes than people in a county then when it got to the Supreme Court they ruled that it took too long to get to them for them to allow a recount
There would also not have been an invasion of Iraq, things like Isis would have probably remained an unkicked hornet’s nest.
License to torture at will would not have been granted to government goons.The threat of hijacking airplanes and smashing them into iconic buildings would have been taken seriously. Which opens up the possibility that 9/11 could have been averted. Then maybe the mouth-breathers at TSA would not have been given the power to profile and harass at airports.
The list goes on: Katrina and New Orleans; the neutralizing of the Consumer Protection Bureau; the typically republican financial free-for-all that led to the collapse of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
But since so many smug lazy assholes stayed home on Election Day bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe, everybody got a succession of utterly preventable shit sandwiches.
I keep comparing Casablanca to New York City. One reason is that they’re both the biggest cities in their respective country without being the capital, and that they suck, but also because before 2001, they both had twin towers (the ones in Casablanca are still standing btw).
Honestly doubt it. Money talks. Also the president doesn’t make the laws.
is so fucked up that the future of the world depends on one single country, and more exactly, one single person in that country
Centrist Democrats will always blame progressive discontent for their losses, even if their losses are caused by the Supreme Court undermining democracy itself.
Quit moving to the right, and we’ll quit pointing it out.
is there anyone at all concerned about climate change in 2024?
Yeah so what about Gore and climate crisis? We got a sweet ass pointless Iraq war with Bush. We got to do the most American thing ever, bully a small country for natural resources and stage a regime change. Would have Gore given us that? Pft no. We would have a serious conversation about climate and taken some steps to mitigate everything.
Hey now, killing all those people in the Middle East was worth it, wasn’t it? I mean, if the US hadn’t invaded Afghanistan, it would probably still be controlled by the Taliban to this very day! Good thing we avoided that scenario, right?
Humans are some of the worst polluters, so killing all those Middle Easterners saved thousands of tons of CO2 emissions! /s
A calm and rational discussion and response to 9/11 instead of making up lies, going on the war path, and telling allies that they’re either with us or against us? Lame. Pass. (/s)
I honestly don’t think Gore could kept the country out of Afghanistan. The public wanted justice for 9/11, by justice they wanted blood. The public would have forced Gore to do something about 9/11.
It would have been very easy for Gore to get sucked into Afghanistan even after trying to put forth rational explanations of why we shouldn’t have occupied the country. The end result of would have been somewhat similar, 20 years of war, and nothing really accomplished.
The Iraq war on the other hand would have never happened on Gore.
Climate Commitment. We’ve been screwed since the ‘90’s. Gore may have mitigated the warming, but a certain amount of warming would have occurred regardless, and will continue even if we achieve net-zero emissions. There is an amount of latent heat already trapped in the atmosphere. The warming we are experiencing now is from the early 2000’s.
I know. I suck. But the science is clear. We done screwed up. Much love to all.
Yes he would know, no it wouldn’t have helped. It’s a global thing, not a local thing.
Also since Al Gore invented the internet (well not really, but it was something he did care about) so maybe there could’ve been some standards and requirements for inter-operation (which was the direction things were going before Bush) and maybe the internet wouldn’t have become the shithole it is now. Yeah it would still be a shithole, but we might’ve had a shithole that corporations actually had to do a little competition.
