As horrible as the Holocaust was, from a numbers standpoint alone, the transatlantic slave trade accounted for more people stolen from their homes.
Now, that’s the entirety of the transatlantic slave trade. A couple of hundred years of pain and torment. But it also only counts the number of people stolen from home and sold into slavery, not the number of children born into slavery who lived their entire, and often short, lives working backbreaking labor. Well, that’s what the men did. The women were raped until they were no longer physically capable of giving birth again.
Contrast the Holocaust, at most you have 10 years of horror, from the passage of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935 until the end of the war in 1945. It was traumatizing for the survivors, but the strong could move on with their lives.
Slaves who were freed at the end of the civil war were often basically re-enslaved via that fun little loophole in the 13th amendment. Corrupt judges in the south had a full racket going. They would assign court fees to and black man arrested by their corrupt police, and then sell said black man to a plantation owner as part of covering the debt.
If you thought the horrors of slavery were bad, the convict leasing and debt peonage schemes were so much worse. Literally working people to death because the plantation owners could simply pick up a new slave at the courthouse for a small fee. A smaller fee in places where the plantation owner was the judge.
Fun fact. The whole debt peonage thing did garner the attention of federal prosecutors, who thought it was fucked up. See, Debt peonage was actually outlawed by Congress in 1867. So one enterprising prosecutor actually took a bunch of assholes to court.
Those assholes argued that since the debt was fictitious, it wasn’t peonage, but was actually slavery. And since congress had never actually passed a law against slavery, they wanted their slaves back. This was in 1903.
The Holocaust was probably worse.
The sad part here is that you’re probably wrong.
As horrible as the Holocaust was, from a numbers standpoint alone, the transatlantic slave trade accounted for more people stolen from their homes.
Now, that’s the entirety of the transatlantic slave trade. A couple of hundred years of pain and torment. But it also only counts the number of people stolen from home and sold into slavery, not the number of children born into slavery who lived their entire, and often short, lives working backbreaking labor. Well, that’s what the men did. The women were raped until they were no longer physically capable of giving birth again.
Contrast the Holocaust, at most you have 10 years of horror, from the passage of the Nuremberg Laws in 1935 until the end of the war in 1945. It was traumatizing for the survivors, but the strong could move on with their lives.
Slaves who were freed at the end of the civil war were often basically re-enslaved via that fun little loophole in the 13th amendment. Corrupt judges in the south had a full racket going. They would assign court fees to and black man arrested by their corrupt police, and then sell said black man to a plantation owner as part of covering the debt.
If you thought the horrors of slavery were bad, the convict leasing and debt peonage schemes were so much worse. Literally working people to death because the plantation owners could simply pick up a new slave at the courthouse for a small fee. A smaller fee in places where the plantation owner was the judge.
Fun fact. The whole debt peonage thing did garner the attention of federal prosecutors, who thought it was fucked up. See, Debt peonage was actually outlawed by Congress in 1867. So one enterprising prosecutor actually took a bunch of assholes to court.
Those assholes argued that since the debt was fictitious, it wasn’t peonage, but was actually slavery. And since congress had never actually passed a law against slavery, they wanted their slaves back. This was in 1903.
The worst part is, the courts agreed.
Various fake debt schemes and other overt slavery shit was still going on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Beeville\_couple\_arraigned\_on\_charge\_of\_holding\_Negro\_in\_slavery\_on\_farm\_(1942)\_The\_Brownsville\_Herald.jpg. You’ll note that 1942 is after the US joined WW2. That’s the entire reason for the final crackdown on chattel slavery schemes in the US…
Well, I say that. Sadly, there’s more to the story.
Thank you for the enlightening post, I’ve never heard of some of this at all, unfortunately.
Can I ask for a source onto he 1903 court case you mentioned? I’d love to read more.
I’m not sure which case they’re referring to, but the concept they were talking about wasn’t outlawed until 1911 in Baily v Alabama.
The 1903 Tallaposa Peonage cases.
The holocaust was probably worse than a yankee telling a southerner his monuments don’t matter.
Yes, but to really understand this issue, imagine that those monuments were honoring famous Nazis.
And some asshole was saying that the monuments were his heritage.
oh I never disagreed with that
Huh… interesting.
You may have convinced me.
Ok… thanks for chiming in! Next time try to stay on topic! Not everything is about you, no matter how badly you want it to be.
I’m pretty sure he’s saying that, like slavery, the holocaust is worse than criticising monuments to confederates.
This original poster was talking about the US.
I read that as them adding the Holocaust to the pile of worse things
Also waking up on a Thursday thinking it’s Friday is worse than the whole southern monuments thing
No… no it isn’t.
Nah, it totally is. That one makes me sad. Monuments to traitors and pieces of scum getting torn down makes me happy.