Oh look, Sony revoking more licenses for video content that people “bought”.

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    Text Resistbot at 50409 and have it write and send a letter to your representatives. All of them.

    Just give it a news article and it’s AI whips it up for you to proof read.

    Give it a try and make your voices heard.

    https://resist.bot/

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      And what’s best is they now have a new cell number for marketing they can then sell to companies!

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      I couldn’t imagine a faster way to make our voices useless than to fill our representatives’ inboxes with AI spam…

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        This service is the most dystopian thing I’ve seen in a while.

        “You know what’s gonna fix democracy? Reducing civic engagement to having AI generate letters based off AI-generated articles to send to our representatives, who will filter and summarize them using AI, and plug the input into the law-making AI! The downfall of democracy was humanity’s capacity for independent thought!”

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      This is a bad idea to end all bad ideas.

      Let’s give them an excuse to close their means of communication to the people to “combat AI spam”.

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    Capitalists make a liar out of the promise of The Internet.

    I think we should drag em through the streets four different ways at once over it.

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    This is where our lazy lawmakers need to step in and protect consumers. Make it illegal to revoke these types of licenses over greedy, lazy, exploitative business mergers and acquisitions. If corporations want to fight that, then they shouldn’t be able to “sell” digital movies or games anymore: Any time you go to “purchase” digital content, it must plainly tell you that you’re renting said content for an undetermined amount of time.

    Funny how so much recent talk has emerged yet again about how companies like Microsoft want to get rid of disc drives on their next Xbox… It’s almost like companies don’t actually want you to ever truly own anything. A rent economy is toxic and rotten, and it’s infuriating that it’s literally becoming our entire economy.

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      Companies change the contracts all the time and customers just agree to them.

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      Consumer protection would help, so maybe it’s time to start voting for the people who support it.

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        I want a lot of things from the US Congress, but platform planks like better consumer projection/rights just sound like easy votes for any candidate. I can’t wrap my head around why nobody is at least lying that they’ll address this.

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          Meanwhile, the EU is crafting all sorts of consumer protection laws just like the member countries have been doing long before even joining the union.

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        It’s entirely unreasonable to assume that the average person has the time or knowledge necessary to read, comprehend and agree to every terms of service agreement shoved in their face. Legislation should reflect this fact, and there should be something similar to game and movie ratings that give an easy to understand summary of the agreement.

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          Imagine if there was a law for making the contracts easier to understand.

          1. We’ll spy on you and sell your data to the highest bidder.
          2. When something goes wrong, it’s your fault.
          3. You can’t blame us.
          4. No money back.
          5. When in doubt, we do what Darth Vader would do.

          Sign here: _______

          Come to think of it, slot machines do tell you quite clearly how bad the odds really are, but people still dump their money on them. Why can’t we have similar honesty and clarity when it comes to contracts.

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          Well said. I love everything about this agreement and the limits it inherently puts on “creative” terms in their agreements.

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      Funny how so much recent talk has emerged yet again about how companies like Microsoft want to get rid of disc drives on their next Xbox… […]

      While I will freely admit that the lack of a physical drive is a huge way to drive downloaded (and licensed, revokable) content controlled by the company, it’s worth noting that physical media is really not all that great a medium for transferring things like games or movies anymore. Blu-ray discs can hold, in ideal situations, around 50GB of data. A lot of games – especially AAA games, are well beyond that. I think Spider Man 2 came in at like 85GB? The internet says Hogwarts Legacy is ~75GB on XBox.

      Network connectivity, and downloading content to our devices is almost certainly going to be the way a lot of the world works going forward. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be able to back our content up elsewhere, or offload it to some other device.

      Your right in noting that the laws and regulations need to keep up and protect consumers’ right to the content they’ve purchased.

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        Then put the games onto high-storage solid-state cartridges like Nintendo does. There’s no reason to be limited by existing technology like Blu-Ray except for laziness. Hell, they could even just put an SD card reader in as the physical game tray and put games onto SD cards if they’re that lazy and don’t want to spend on R&D.

        Removing the capacity to have physical copies of games at all is always a bad move that is disingenuously masked with a “but the world is going all digital!” all the while knowing that this gives them greater control over things we’re supposed to own.

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          Would the reading speed of those SD cards be as fast as the reading speed of Blurays? Or is the reading part of using Blurays unnecessary in the first place because most of the game is loaded onto the console itself?

          I imagine you could write-protect the SD cards the same way you do with Blurays, so if the question above is a non-issue, then that’d be quite a cool solution. SD cards pushing terabytes easily now, they’d be large enough for sure.

          But then again, afaik, the discs are not really needed and don’t need to accommodate that much space in them except for licensing and DRM stuff, I think, since the majority of the game is downloaded regardless, right?

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            Would the reading speed of those SD cards be as fast as the reading speed of Blurays?

            Disc speeds are notoriously slow. PS vs N64, Cartridge based systems were instant where as discs had to be loaded into a ram space/buffer and had terrible load times. The difference back then was that disc’s had a boatload more storage where cartridges were very expensive to get any significant capacity. That’s still kind of true today, but at scale not nearly as much as it used to be, and max capacity of sd cards are WAY bigger than discs overall.

            6x Bluray drives (which is what is in the PS4 for example) read at about 27MB/s. I don’t know what speed the PS5 is, but bluray supports up to 72MB/s as a standard and has the highest capacity at ~100/128 GB.

            Meanwhile… You can hop on amazon and buy 200MB/s sd cards no problem. I’ve seen them as “fast” as 300 MB/s, and as high capacity as 1TB. So easily 3x more bandwidth, and significantly more capacity. Usually costs more though. Some weird side-benefits though… You can actually update the game that lives on the card. You can leave some assets on the card that get called less often when you install to SSD to save space on internal storage. Or if you’re live loading assets from the sd card to an internal SSD, any load times will be significantly faster. You CANNOT do these things on spinning disc, it’s too slow.

            The real difference here is latency though. A disc has to spin… You have a physical laser head that has to seek to a particular sector. That’s slow as hell and at the density of tracks that you have to do on BD-XL disks, you can actually overshoot tracks if they’re laid out poorly which increases the delay of getting the data. SD cards don’t care at all, everything is nearly instantly responsive.

            So yes, sd cards are significantly faster than bluray discs in a number of ways.

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          Nintendo’s drives are tiny, capacity wise. And expensive enough that publishers won’t pay for the “high capacity” (that’s still not big enough for games anywhere except the switch, due to how low res assets are) ones.

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        I bought a 1TB micro SD card recently, it cost less than a new AAA game. Almost any individual AAA game would fit on a quarter of that.

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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#BDXL

        Even normal UHD BRDs can and do hold upwards of 100GB, as those can have 4 layers (~25GB each layer).

        A lot of game size bloat is due to lazy optimization. Lords of the Fallen on PC–while it had questionable game performance for some folk–the game looked gorgeous and was quite a massive world, yet the download for it was around 40GB.

        There are very few games I can think of that warrant being 100+GB. And even if they’re more than 100GB, what’s stopping them from just using 2 Blu-rays? Remember the PS1 days when games like FF7 had 4 discs? Or when WoW came out, it came with like 8 installation discs or some other absurd number? Blu-rays are more expensive, sure, but I can’t imagine games getting to be more than 2 discs long during the lifespan of Blu-ray as a storage medium anyway.

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          Except that games are broken at release and need day1 patch in order to work. Although you will ship BD, the day update servers are taken down, your physical copy won’t allow you to play the game either.

          The only question I have is : Is torrenting game patchs / updates concidered piracy as well ? If it is, we are definitely doomed.

    • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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      A rent economy is toxic and rotten,

      Not always. I would gladly pay to rent something I need only every now and then instead to buy it.

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        But that is the concept of renting rather than a rent economy.

        An industry or economy based entirely around renting with 0 other options is almost always rotten to the core.

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    I feel more and more justified about piracy every article I read about licensing and stuff just getting taken away after having paid good money for stuff

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      Especially since they suddenly become not so sure when talking about feeding things under IP to “AIs”. It seems that when some process is not too open, like dataset collection, people doing it get used to bending laws they themselves rely on.

      Actually this should be leveraged.

      One approach - IP is solid, so those big companies championing “AIs” will have to pay royalties for everything produced by an “AI” which had been fed something of that IP. That’s just logically a Gordian knot.

      Another approach - IP is an artificial concept which is complete bullshit, then “digital piracy” is not a crime, and neither is commercialization of fan works over some IP without paying royalties.

      Anything in between would mean that a company has more rights under the law than an individual. Would be a good analogy to cutting that knot IMHO, but a bad outcome.

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    Digital ownership is a real issue. We need to ensure we own when we buy, or we should not buy

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      Well, copyright proponents succeeded in persuading the majority of people that buying something you can’t copy or share is still ownership, despite it being against human instincts.

      Only instincts matter more, not less, than laws. Because instincts work first.

      So in fact they persuaded us that it’s normal to own less, rent more, buy a cat in a bag, buy something without any guarantees, buy something with unclear obligations, because everybody around does that and it’s socially shameful otherwise.

      Which is amusingly similar to what fraudsters do.

      So the next stage is the amount of obvious fraud from those big copyright-reliant companies increasing. Good night, sweet prince.

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    And with the unrelated rumours of Microsoft potentially leaving the console business and going multiplatform, it begs serious questions.

    Do you really want Sony to have a monopoly on console gaming when they can’t even respect ownership rights for digital goods?

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      Tbf I left the console market a decade ago and haven’t really felt like going back. Computers do everything I need in the gaming sphere

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        Without extortionate extra fees either. I recently wanted to crossplay Overcooked on my PC with a couple friends on my PS4. “Buy PSPlus for only $100+ to play this game online!” Yeah, fuck off.

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          still think its crazy that online match making is a paid service on consoles.

          remember when microsoft tried to do the same with PCs?

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        I fear we are rapidly approaching (or have already reached) the point where the definition of “begs the question” is going to be changed to include “raises the question,” much the same way “literally” now also means “not literally.”

        I am not pleased by this development, but I was also not consulted.

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    This is nothing new. Buying digital and streaming only versions of media just means you are licensing it. If you care, either break the DRM and reencode, or just pirate it directly.

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    But in addition to offering video streaming, Funimation also dubbed and released anime as physical media, and sometimes those DVDs or Blu-rays would feature a digital code. Subscribers to the Funimation streaming service could add those digital codes to Funimation and then stream the content from the platform.

    Okay, I honestly feel bad for anyone not old enough to remember the last few times big media firms pulled this kind of crap. This kind of thing is always a trap, or at best a temporary add-on to the media you purchased. If you buy a DVD or BluRay, anything other than the videos on the medium have a short shelf life. Plus, anything having to do with internet websites are considered disposable by big business*, but doubly so in this kind of scheme.

    In the past we’ve had bolt-on features to media that have aged poorly. 1-800 support numbers for video games. Websites with supplementary media. Executable programs on disk that only work on Windows95 or MacOS 9. Console exclusive content. Extra media on disk in formats like Flash. Heck, there are even old cassettes and LPs that have C64 BASIC programs on them. Downloadable game content through redeemable codes. The end result is less a product value-add and more of a novelty.

    Then there’s the litany of broken-by-design media, like DivX. And of course, let’s not forget about formats that have no modern release and are only viewable on players that haven’t been made in a dozen years or more.

    Yes, Sony/Funimation should be taken to task for misleading advertising. But we should also be vigilant and look for the warning signs too.

    (* - If that makes you uncomfortable about IoT devices, you’re paying attention.)

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      Does OBS even work with all the DRM they’ve put on things? I thought that’s the whole point why it’s there, to keep people from screen capturing or restreaming videos

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      Android smart TV can use some foss screen capture apps while being undetected by PlayStation, of course there’s trouble with sound capture, but since tv is yours, it can be bypassed