That would be the most Dem thing Dems have ever done. Play games and get Haley elected when Biden would have just cruised over trump.
Haley isn’t getting elected. She has virtually no path towards the GOP nomination. If she did, MAGATs aren’t going to vote for her unless he was on the ballot, and then if she did put him on the ballot, she’ll lose the moderate votes.
Trump has a chance to cause chaos by losing another general election. He could also do even more damage by winning another general election. Haley, if she somehow won the primary and general, would be so much less destructive.
So yeah, voting for Haley in the primary is the fucking move and it’s why I didn’t vote for Biden in the SC primary.
Nikki Haley’s Sudden Wealth Rooted in Weapons Industry, Pro-War Advocacy Network.
The former U.N. ambassador went from virtually no savings in 2017 to a small fortune in part from defense contracting and war advocacy ties.
I don’t care if she sucks. She won’t beat Trump in the end. The longer she stays in the race, the more angry he’s gonna get at his own party
People said the exact same shit about trump in 2016 and tried to do the same meta gaming shit you’re trying to do, and look how that turned out. Ffs just admit you don’t know what the fuck you’re doing and vote like a normal person instead of big braining us into fascism again
Lmfao. Haley won’t be a fascist. The fascist will be a fascist. You don’t have to pretend like you know what you’re talking about
Liberals, the only people who will vote and run ads for the far right and then blame everyone else when democrats lose the election 🙃
Look, no Democrat is saying she’d be great or even close to being better than Biden.
But she’d certainly be better than Trump. And if she can split the Republican votes in the general election, even better.
No, she wouldn’t be. Trump at least has value from an accelerationist POV, Haley’s going to do all things Trump would but as less of a publicly shitposting moron.
I think Biden is the accelerationist candidate. Why? Bc if Trump wins, the system will just roll over and enforce his whims. The Dems will just accept it, and there likely will never be any more democracy. It will be much harder to force change. However, if Biden wins, the right will not accept it. Either the republicans will attempt to disrupt the election results, or the right will escalate domestic terrorism, etc.
It’s okay to not have opinions on things
Fuck that shit. Trump would only accelerate towards fascism and the lil’ tankies pretending otherwise would be like the clown car convoy in Texas.
Except unlike those in Texas, they would have cops happily bashing in their skulls why they wonder why the country hasn’t descended into civil war against Trump.
Meanwhile Israel would be given carte blanche to genocide on a far grander scale, Russia would be genociding Ukrainians, and the Taiwanese would be sold off to China in a dodgy backroom deal, the environment would be even more fucked then under a libshit government, and people worldwide would suffer more than they already are.
If you want to accelerate something, go sacrifice your life and assassinate a Republican politician not hand them the keys to the world’s largest army.
Some of these clowns have finally convinced themselves that sitting home and complaining is now direct political action and will get them the things they want, it’s wild.
Hear hear.
Man - you were ON POINT until the final paragraph.
Removed, rule 6. 24 hour ban.
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SHE HAS THE SAME FASCIST POLICY POSITIONS AS TRUMP. THEY’RE EFFECTIVELY THE SAME CANDIDATE
When Haley tries to overthrow the government, I’ll say she’s as bad as Trump. Until that happens, I say Trump is worse.
Jesus Christ when are you gonna learn that these stupid 4d chess moves don’t fucking work? You’re gonna be literally supporting republicans, and when that gets a republican in office again you’re probably gonna whine about how 3rd party voters and leftists and young people and Russia and literally everyone other than yourself for republicans winning. This shit backfires all the time, don’t fuck us all over with this “big brain” bullshit again please
seriously. i have a policy that i only vote for someone if i want them to have the office (i know, i’m a fucking lunatic).
She wins the primary if SCOTUS rules that Trump is an insurrectionist, and she polls well against Biden precisely because she appeals to “enlightened centrists.”
The question is not whether Trump should be barred as insurrectionist. The question is what candidate the leash holders of certain Justices want.
I have a very hard time seeing Trump supporters coming around to vote for her when he’s painted her as a part of the deep state
I don’t suspect Biden will just cruise over Trump. Look at the polls, Trump leads in swing states. I hope Biden can win, but it won’t be easy.
Actual results since roe was overturned have been ~+9 towards dem/dem supported policies than polling has said. I still have hope.
…Where?
If he’s lost the Muslim vote, hopefully he has, he’s gonna lose by enormous numbers. The numbers from 2020 support this.
Georgia won by 11k votes - has 120k Muslims Arizona won by 10k votes has 109k Muslims Wisconsin won by 20k votes - has 68k Muslims Pennsylvania won by 80k votes has 150k Muslims Michigan won by 150k votes - has 241k Muslims
Don’t mention polling. Centrists hate it because it indicates that their constant shift rightward has become unpopular.
Don’t be fucking stupid. Trump is an existential threat to the Republic and Biden is unpopular.
I’m not sure that I said otherwise.
You’re speculating Biden cruising over Trump. wtf.
This is not “messing with Trump”. Anyone in any party should participate in primaries. They decide who everyone else will get to vote for, and in some regards they are more important than the general election. For example, if someone is in a gerrymandered district, primaries are the only elections that matter for district level races.
If one party literally has only a single candidate, and thus there is no choice, don’t vote in that primary. It’s pointless. Vote in the other primary, for whatever candidate you like best, even if you don’t like the candidate. Then there’s some hope that when the general election comes, you’ll at least be OK with both candidates. In the general election, vote for the one you like best, and the candidate you like loses that election, you made a difference in the primary. Republican, Democrat, any party or no party, it’s the way to give your vote the most influence.
many states restrict primary participation to past voting record.
Connecticut for example: Section 9-431 of the General Statutes of Connecticut stipulates that only registered members of a political party are entitled to vote in that party’s primary, though a party may choose to permit unaffiliated voters to participate in its primary.[10]
Why the fuck are liberals still doing this shit? Was getting trump elected not enough of a sign that it’s stupid and doesn’t work??
Because even if Haley won “by accident” that’s still infinitely better than Trump.
Not really. She is still likely to enact project 2025 upon taking office. To paraphrase one conservative, she is really good at looking like a normal politician. She’s a confederate zombie back from the dead.
And you think, what, it can’t get worse than that? Fuck, man. Listen to what Orange Jesus is saying.
I think Nikki Haley is going to do the things Trump is saying, she just isn’t saying them. If any Republican presidential candidate takes office next year, it is likely we will end up in a christofascist dictatorship.
Here is some current polling:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/
Polling this early on isn’t that meaningful. I think what it does illustrate is that Biden isn’t obviously dominating in a Biden-Haley match up. If anything it looks Haley beats Biden by a larger margin than Trump does.
Rather than trying to support Haley because she is perceived to be less of a fascist, she’s not, or because Biden will do better against her in a general election, as far as we know, he won’t, we should focus on pressuring Biden to enact policy changes that his voting base are demanding.
For example, a lot of younger voters are frustrated by Biden’s handling of the current Palestinian-Israeli conflict. We should direct our time and energy on getting Biden to change his outdated views on Israel.
It’s like they forgot Hillary Clinton literally propped up Trump because she thought he’d never win.
Stop playing fucking metagames and learn how to govern.
Pied Piper 2.0?
Braindead strategy. How about galvanizing voters with popular leadership decisions which have a positive effect on people’s lives?! Did you think to try that you dumb fucks?
popular leadership decisions which have a positive effect on people’s lives
That will cost them donor money. A long time ago Dems realized that it’s a lot easier to turn money into votes than it is to turn votes into money.
The Democratic National Committee is controlled opposition. Obama was a fantastic president by Republican standards, Hillary, while more qualified than any candidate has ever been, has the charisma of a dumpster cheeseburger (iT wUz HEr TurN), Joe is a Nixon-era neocon goofus. They don’t want to win, but if they happen to accidently win, they make sure it’s someone safe and slightly right-of-center.
The last Democrat to take office was Jimmy Carter. After Reagan successfully convinced the electorate that the concept of governing is prima facie a bad idea, Dems seized the opportunity to engage in a hard-right shift and position themselves as “fiscally common-sense but socially liberal” and weaponize intersectionality into identity politics so that we’d all think it was a great victory if our tax money was being redistributed to big banks by a black man, illegal drone assassinations were being ordered by a woman and labor laws were being undermined by a gay man.
facts on facts on facts
How to lose an election and radicalize voters: a memoir of America by the DNC
Chapter 1: How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory - the 2016 Elections
After living through the last few elections, I’m not going to bet on whether Biden vs Haley or Biden vs Trump will lead to a better result. But I really don’t see how helping Haley would actually accomplish anything. Even if the Democrats made a big (wasted) effort to push & campaign for Haley, it’s not going to be nearly enough to make her the nominee.
Absent the Supreme Court declaring Trump ineligible (don’t hold your breath) It’s going to be Biden vs Trump. Prepare for that. Messing with the Republican’s sham primary is a waste of effort and a distraction from more constructive things Democrats could be doing like getting their voters registered and ready to go to the polls in November.
They don’t want her to win though, they want her to convince some republicans to hate Trump enough to vote for Joe or not vote at all. Come to think of it, it is a pretty similar strategy to the one the Republicans have been running for years—use the underdog to neuter the bruiser before they even get to the big match.
I can think of three people I know personally who went from Bernie to Trump in 2016. It’s not a bad strategy.
I’m sorry if this is offensive, but those three people sound like utter dolts. Talk about not knowing what you want…
what no they’re dumb as hell. their justification was “I don’t want another politician”.
thing is, they’re also frustrated and afraid and in that they’re absolutely correct. no matter what you believe the causes and solutions are, people are noticing that they’re working harder, paying more and in a much more precarious position for it than the generations before them. part of the reason that fascism is doing so well is that the people getting fucked know they need a change, and fascism is the change that the ruling class won’t oppose so they actually feel like they can get it. they’re not gonna love it when society runs out of queers and foreigners to destroy and they end up being the enemy of the week instead, but for right now all they can see is the walls of the current system closing in on them. in that situation, one where inaction is going to mean immediate destruction, a course shift into trumpism is a way of staying alive today and hoping you can figure out a way to unfuck things later.
That would be incredibly short-sighted. (So of course they are, right?)
Right wingers support right wingers. Who knew?
Who knew?
Isn’t this how we got trump in the first place?
Yep.
Yes. Hilary thought he was easy work. Blew up in her face.
Blew up in all our faces
I think she’d win in a head to head against Biden. Unless trump, which he would, sabotages her at every chance they get.
I can pretty much guarantee that bidens folks want to run against the guy who keeps losing vs a young competent woman.
Don’t confuse my thoughts with support. I don’t like her, I’m just realistic.
Not sure Trump supporters would vote for a woman
young competent woman.
competent ? hmmmmm
more than trump perhaps.
Eh say what you will but she is competent
She’s not terrible but even the GOP could do better. Also, were I Haley, I’d just point out that if she’s as bad as Trump insinuates - why the fuck did he hire her lol? TO THE UN? like holy shit donny, you’re shitting on yourself you moron. but he can’t help it, he’s bonkers.
DONNY CAN’T EVEN FIND LAWYERS THAT HAVE LAPTOPS.
No matter how much Democratic support she gets, she’ll never get the nomination. Unless Trump dies before the convention. Any support she would get would literally only be to mess with Trump’s head and destabilize his base.
Danger. Danger.
Who am I kidding? Democrats would creme their pants to go back to openly selling our country to the highest bidder with their GOP buddies.
You mean Nimarata Randhawa Haley?
I don’t get it
That’s her real name, “Nikki” isn’t actually her first name.
What of it? Do you comment “Joseph Robinette Biden” every time you see him called Joe Biden?
Doesn’t bother you, doesn’t bother me. I’m sure the GOP feels the same way.
If you don’t get it, you weren’t paying attention. I don’t go high, I go low. Nobody ever won a war by playing by the rules.
BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
She’s gotta be a Democratic plant. She literally talked shit abt the GOP in the first debate.
There’s a lot of shit to talk about the gop, that doesn’t exactly mean a whole lot
