Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do?
I totally agree. Any good person who has to kill another person is going to question it for the rest of their lives. That’s the issue. A not as good person doesn’t care. It’s better to live in regret than not live at all. It sucks so fucking much that anyone has to deal with it, but the world sucks. There isn’t a perfect answer. J
If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands?
What is your alternative then? Let’s hear it.
If some transphobe/homophobe/racist/etc corners me and my family/friends (again), what should I do according to you? I’m curious.
… What did you do the first time it happened to you? You said “(again)” so did you literally KILL them? Or do you simply regret not KILLING them. Apparently since I don’t approve of killing people I have to list all the incountable ways that you can deal with all kinds of negative confrontations without resorting to literally killing someone. This has been a very stupid day defending the most basic idea that maybe we shouldn’t just kill people and maybe we shouldn’t fantasize about killing people.
I didn’t, but only through luck. If we weren’t lucky, I would have had to kill them, or more likely I would have had to try to.
Apparently since I don’t approve of killing people I have to list all the incountable ways that you can deal with all kinds of negative confrontations without resorting to literally killing someone.
Please, do tell me how I could have managed to deal with multiple drunk guys cornering and trying to beat/stab us to death.
This has been a very stupid day defending the most basic idea that maybe we shouldn’t just kill people and maybe we shouldn’t fantasize about killing people.
I think what’s even more stupid, is coming into a community of vulnerable people, and telling them that by defending themselves from aggressors makes them bad people, that they’ll have blood on their hands and they won’t be able to live with themselves.
I honestly think you’re either one of two things: You’re either an alt right troll, or worse, you’re someone who thinks themselves an ally, but has absolutely zero practical experience in the matter.
I mean anyone who says the following:
If self defense was really the goal why didn’t the father gift their child a bullet proof vest or a shield or pepper spray or a taser or any other of the myriad options that exist in the real world to defend yourself from attackers?
Is either trolling, or unintentionally trying to get people killed through bad advice.
Either way, you’re helping the regressives, not us.
This post is riddled with logical fallacies and bad faith arguments. You’re position on me, my comments, and my message have all been apparently precast by you and I’m old enough to know that nothing I say or do short of complete submission and withdrawal will satisfy you.
Regarding your confrontation story, you can literally say anything here to contort the events to fit your narrative and nullify any point I’m trying to make regardless of the quality of thought I might put in. So we’re done on that front.
Your next problem is apparently reading comprehension:
defending themselves from aggressors makes them bad people, that they’ll have blood on their hands and they won’t be able to live with themselves.
Did you know that written text on the Internet is not real life? Reality is an insanely chaotic flow of immeasurable complexity, and the hopelessly simple distillations of it that our puny brains attempt to make by describing it with words always fails to capture true reality. What I can only hope to describe about the situation you seem dependent on as your only source of protection against others (killing in self defense) are just a few of the potential consequences that could arguably manifest from doing such a thing.
My head my be really far up my own ass because I don’t see where I’m telling people not to defend themselves. Or that they’re bad people for doing so. Just saying it’s complicated and in my life experience, things aren’t black and white simple like that.
Further, your dislike of me appears to be so strong that you are willing to say things that deny simple universal truths, like that if you kill someone, there will be figurative blood on your hands. This is true regardless of the situation. The sky is blue, water is wet, and if you kill, blood gets on your hands. Not sure what to do with you regarding this, seems hopeless to me.
More on your lack of reading comprehension:
anyone who says the following:…Is either trolling, or unintentionally trying to get people killed through bad advice.
I’m not even sure what about my words or how I’m presenting my thoughts qualifies as advice? Also, pepper spray doesn’t work? Really? Do you know what pepper spray is? I’m no weapons expert so please enlighten me if I’m wrong in saying pepper effective in certain self defense situations.
And most importantly, in that phrase you quoted, I was talking about the composition of the originally posted image. As in, the person who authored the content of the image, as I am assuming it is a work of fiction, purposely chose those details to incite a specific emotional response. I wasn’t actually trying to give real advice to victims of assault, that would be insanely foolish, irresponsible, and wrong of me to do so. Which is why I didn’t, although you seem happy to accuse me of doing so anyway.
And finally:
You’re either an alt right troll, or worse, you’re someone who thinks themselves an ally, but has absolutely zero practical experience in the matter.
I’m neither, in fact. I’m not an ally, as I understand it, allies help. I’ve done nothing to help. I’m just a run-of-the-mill lefty. I’m not claiming to be anything else. When I vote, I vote for liberal policies and minority rights. The rest of the time, I’m dealing with life as any other human on this planet must do.
You seem to have mistaken your feelings for facts in your writing. Your statements have an anger that could not have come from me, I think you’re unfairly projecting outside emotions onto me and my words which is not the way to make friends. I know this changes nothing for you, so have a nice day. I hope it goes well for you when you kill someone for reasons you think are justified.
Righteousness is in the eye of the beholder. If in the act of defending yourself, you kill somebody, is that objectively a good righteous thing? Is that not a bloody stain on the world? Will there not be blood on your hands? Would you be happy about the fact that you killed somebody for the rest of your life? Will you always feel that it was righteous to do so? And do you think anyone in a similar situation should feel perfectly justified and freely killing anybody who they feel threatens them in self-defense to just kill and that this is the right thing to do? I don’t think so, so no I don’t believe you have a right to kill somebody every death is a tragedy, the story may just be longer than the particular interaction that led to that killing. Are there deaths that are necessary for the survival of the “good guys”? Maybe, doesn’t make it right to me. It just sucks all around.
I totally agree. Any good person who has to kill another person is going to question it for the rest of their lives. That’s the issue. A not as good person doesn’t care. It’s better to live in regret than not live at all. It sucks so fucking much that anyone has to deal with it, but the world sucks. There isn’t a perfect answer. J
What is your alternative then? Let’s hear it.
If some transphobe/homophobe/racist/etc corners me and my family/friends (again), what should I do according to you? I’m curious.
… What did you do the first time it happened to you? You said “(again)” so did you literally KILL them? Or do you simply regret not KILLING them. Apparently since I don’t approve of killing people I have to list all the incountable ways that you can deal with all kinds of negative confrontations without resorting to literally killing someone. This has been a very stupid day defending the most basic idea that maybe we shouldn’t just kill people and maybe we shouldn’t fantasize about killing people.
I didn’t, but only through luck. If we weren’t lucky, I would have had to kill them, or more likely I would have had to try to.
Please, do tell me how I could have managed to deal with multiple drunk guys cornering and trying to beat/stab us to death.
I think what’s even more stupid, is coming into a community of vulnerable people, and telling them that by defending themselves from aggressors makes them bad people, that they’ll have blood on their hands and they won’t be able to live with themselves.
I honestly think you’re either one of two things: You’re either an alt right troll, or worse, you’re someone who thinks themselves an ally, but has absolutely zero practical experience in the matter.
I mean anyone who says the following:
Is either trolling, or unintentionally trying to get people killed through bad advice.
Either way, you’re helping the regressives, not us.
This post is riddled with logical fallacies and bad faith arguments. You’re position on me, my comments, and my message have all been apparently precast by you and I’m old enough to know that nothing I say or do short of complete submission and withdrawal will satisfy you.
Regarding your confrontation story, you can literally say anything here to contort the events to fit your narrative and nullify any point I’m trying to make regardless of the quality of thought I might put in. So we’re done on that front.
Your next problem is apparently reading comprehension:
Did you know that written text on the Internet is not real life? Reality is an insanely chaotic flow of immeasurable complexity, and the hopelessly simple distillations of it that our puny brains attempt to make by describing it with words always fails to capture true reality. What I can only hope to describe about the situation you seem dependent on as your only source of protection against others (killing in self defense) are just a few of the potential consequences that could arguably manifest from doing such a thing.
My head my be really far up my own ass because I don’t see where I’m telling people not to defend themselves. Or that they’re bad people for doing so. Just saying it’s complicated and in my life experience, things aren’t black and white simple like that.
Further, your dislike of me appears to be so strong that you are willing to say things that deny simple universal truths, like that if you kill someone, there will be figurative blood on your hands. This is true regardless of the situation. The sky is blue, water is wet, and if you kill, blood gets on your hands. Not sure what to do with you regarding this, seems hopeless to me.
More on your lack of reading comprehension:
I’m not even sure what about my words or how I’m presenting my thoughts qualifies as advice? Also, pepper spray doesn’t work? Really? Do you know what pepper spray is? I’m no weapons expert so please enlighten me if I’m wrong in saying pepper effective in certain self defense situations.
And most importantly, in that phrase you quoted, I was talking about the composition of the originally posted image. As in, the person who authored the content of the image, as I am assuming it is a work of fiction, purposely chose those details to incite a specific emotional response. I wasn’t actually trying to give real advice to victims of assault, that would be insanely foolish, irresponsible, and wrong of me to do so. Which is why I didn’t, although you seem happy to accuse me of doing so anyway.
And finally:
I’m neither, in fact. I’m not an ally, as I understand it, allies help. I’ve done nothing to help. I’m just a run-of-the-mill lefty. I’m not claiming to be anything else. When I vote, I vote for liberal policies and minority rights. The rest of the time, I’m dealing with life as any other human on this planet must do.
You seem to have mistaken your feelings for facts in your writing. Your statements have an anger that could not have come from me, I think you’re unfairly projecting outside emotions onto me and my words which is not the way to make friends. I know this changes nothing for you, so have a nice day. I hope it goes well for you when you kill someone for reasons you think are justified.
Don’t sell yourself short. You are an ally, you are helping. Just not the side you think you are.
And just like your fellow regressives, you desperately reject reality until it personally affects you.
I just hope that when it does, it isn’t someone else who pays that price for you.
Have a good day.