What happened next that evening in May 2021 is the basis for a lawsuit by the mother alleging that Burlington police used excessive force and discriminated against her unarmed son, who is Black and has behavioral and intellectual disabilities.
After he failed to hand over the last of the stolen e-cigarettes, two officers physically forced him to do so, then Cathy Austrian’s son was handcuffed and pinned to the ground as he screamed and struggled, according to a civil lawsuit filed Tuesday and police body-camera video shared with The Associated Press by the American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont.
The teen eventually was injected with a ketamine, a sedative, then taken to a hospital, according to the lawsuit and video.
Can we start IQ testing for cop hiring?
That was taken care of in 2000.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
They filter out those who score too high.
They do already. Average intelligence or higher? Rejected.
What do you say to the armed, violent, unstable nutcase with a gun?
Good morning, Officer.What sound does a cow make? Moo. What sound does a dog make? Woof. What sound does a cat make? Meow. What sound does a pig make? UP AGAINST THE WALL MOTHER FUCKER.
When you have a hammer everything looks like a nail.
And when all you have is ketamine …
This is a minor problem compared to the fucking forced ketamin injections but can we please use more words to describe these types of issues. Like, specific ones. “Behavioral issues and intellectual disabilities” has also been used to describe the kid that almost beat a teacher to death for saying he shouldn’t have his Nintendo in school and the flying guy that tried to kill the judge. If there is no difference between how we describe them and this kid, we are just reinventing calling people retarded in increasingly elaborate ways.
Meh, not criminalizing children is usually a good thing, and language is an important part of that.
Describing specific issues would violate their right to privacy.
I’m sure there is some middle ground we can find. His mother is named in the article and his actions were explained in depth so I don’t see a problem with being a bit more specific with what caused the behaviour. Especially when the phrase is also used to describe quite violent people.
I have to wonder why you want a clearer picture of what the boy was suffering from, 'cause from my vantage point it seems it’s only to satisfy your own curiosity rather than solve a larger issue.
Imo it’s none of our business what his diagnoses was as he was the victim here.
If it’s not relevant they dont need to bring it up. If it is relevant I would like to know what way it is relevant. I am fine with either but not both.
Don’t forget that the reason I want there to be more detail is because they used the expression as an excuse for that guy that jumped the judge. A guy that was articulate and friendly right up until he turned feral. I think it is doing this kid a disservice to put these two very different people under the same vague header. It’s what they did with the r-slur and it’s why it’s considered a slur today.
Again, in this particular instance he was the victim.
Blanket rules in revealing diagnoses do not take into account individual’s right to privacy. I prefer to respect that right vs your request to know.
I don’t know why “a bit more specific” is being read as reveal his medical history.
Because being specific is a breach of privacy. It’s really none of our business unless ofc one is a busybody.
I see your point, but that is a bigger can of worms than I think you are expecting. There are dozens of genetic or congenital disorders that can lead to intellectual disabilities and hundreds of acquired ones; all of which result in a range of severity. Also, “intellectual disabilities” and “behavioral problems” are very large buckets of different manifestations. In order to differentiate in the way that you are asking for, they would need to report exact diagnoses and give a detailed description of the individual to differentiate them, and even then, there would need to be a lot of context and clarification if they are to avoid misinterpretation or misunderstanding of any terms or descriptions used.
I’m not saying it’s easy. When I say specific I just mean more specific than the huge bucket we currently have. Maybe 5 buckets so that this kid doesn’t need to share a bucket with the Nintendo kid i mentioned.
And then people wonder why as a neurodivergent person, I’ve passed over several obscenely lucrative contracts simple because they required me to go to the US for any extent of time.
Naturally you should do what you’re comfortable with. I will say that the most upsetting news stories from any place aren’t representative of what it’s like to live there. As a lifelong resident I don’t know anyone personally who has been shot or shot at in the U.S, and don’t know anyone who has been wrongfully arrested or assaulted by the police.
That’s not to say it’s not a problem that needs to be addressed, it is. Just if someone is turning down opportunities they would otherwise accept out of fear of this thing, I would say they may be overweighting the risk.
It reminds me how my mom would always text me when I lived in the city, “did you hear about this shooting? Are you ok?” But I wouldn’t have even been aware there was an incident. There are a lot of people in the world. The absolute crime rate has overall been going down. But the ability for us to hear about horrible incidents has only increased.
I talked to a guy a while ago that genuinely would not believe I’ve never owned or handled a gun. Absolutely would not accept it and said I was lying lol. I think I briefly saw a hunting rifle in my uncle’s closet as a kid but that’s pretty common even outside the US. There are people out there that really think we’re ALL armed to the teeth I guess
Fine with us. We don’t want cowards walking around, quivering and jumpy.
We don’t want cowards walking around, quivering and jumpy.
So when are you going to deport NRA, cuntbag?
Ooo big man. So cool.
The fuck does that even mean.
It means they’re one of the macho dipshits that make us all look like gun happy lunatics :(
But you already have cops doing that now.
We dont want you speaking for us. And there are more of us than they are of you.
Conservatives don’t understand that they’re in the minority; that their representatives are only in power due to gerrymandering; that it isn’t a fluke that the mainstream media goes against them. It’s sadly and tragically lost on them that they’re freaks.
Buddy, I’m not neurodivergent and I also straight up refuse to set foot in that place. I don’t even feel particularly comfortable sharing a border with them at this point. Lots of the people are great, but the government and many of its institutions scare the hell out of me.
Oh look, 2 cowards
You live in a country with the fucking RCMP and yet have let the media convince you their institutions are scary.
Canadian cops are scary too, but it’s not even close. US cops are five times more likely to kill. And Canadian cops don’t have qualified immunity.
And yet when they run 14 year olds over with their cruiser in a school playground nothing happens.
I did a quick search for this but nothing came up. Do you have a link to an article?
Cars are the number one killer of children in Canada. We tolerate a disgusting amount of preventable traffic accidents in Canada, but comparing that to killing children by shooting them or putting them into deadly chokeholds is nonsensical.
No, because there is no article. Happened to a friend of mine.
Trust me bro.
Same when they shoot 16 yr old girls in the the head because they stole some booze.
I’m not saying the RCMP (or local cops) are much better, and we have plenty of our own problems. These days those mainly stem from the import of MAGA-style “conservatism,” and I’ll admit that things have been getting noticeably worse around here.
That said, we don’t have school shootings pretty much every week, insane amounts of gun violence, the overreach of homeland security (my biggest reason for not wanting to set foot down there - crossing the border), people having to mentally run a cost/benefit analysis if they need to go to the hospital, talk of civil war, half our political representatives being clinically insane (here it’s a little less), people going to jail for weed (a small bit of good that’s happened here during a period of general backslide), the alphabet agencies (the RCMP has historically done some heinous shit but it’s child’s play compared to the CIA), the fact that a rapist who actively says he wants to destroy democracy has a very good chance of becoming president again, etc, etc, etc.
So yeah, I’ll happily stay in the country with the RCMP.
We literally have a rapist prime minister right now.
Say it with me, All Cops Are Bastards
Always.
All Carsalesmen Are Bastards. - Defund the dealerships.
All Firemen Are Drunks.
I’m not sure what you expected. You told the police about a crime, do you not expect them to arrest the criminal?
Do they not treat children and adults differently in the legal system where you come from?
This wasn’t a murder or any other violent crime. It was petty theft from a business committed by a minor.
Yeah, if he was an adult they might have killed him instead.
It takes a special mix of thin blue line bootlicking and thinking the world revolves around you to think this was a good idea.
Boot licking? Nah… More like boot deepthroating
Kinda hard to deepthroat tiny dicks,
For a petty theft committed by a mentally disabled minor?
The situation was non-violent and under control - the cops escalated far beyond what was needed because they got bored waiting for the kid to fork over the last couple of e-cigarettes. There was no need to pin the kid to the ground, and definitely no need to inject them with ketamine.
In a world where all cops weren’t bastards, they would have continued to build a rapport until they could convince the kid to give them back, give the kid a lecture about stealing, then let everyone be on their way.
It’s like some people don’t understand what community policing or policing by consent is. Cops shouldn’t be resorting to force unless they really have to and someone not handing over an e cig in no way warrants being tackled or restrained plus with neurodivergent people that only makes them more agitated which then obviously makes the situation worse.
It’s not fucking rocket science that different situations call for different responses and some situations only really need a fucking talking or conversation.
Exactly. In a sane world, cops shouldn’t ever be the ones escalating any situation, especially one where there is no on-going threat
If a cop in my country injected ketamine into a minor during an arrest it would be in the national news for weeks. Totally unacceptable.
I didn’t expect them to inject ketamine into a child
Is having the cops beat your black son the new falling down at walmart
That mother deserves to cry until she bleeds to death from her tear ducts
Mom fucked around and found out! Reminds me of this story https://youtu.be/OvPJGW1yqkw?si=BJwfD1bCykog2wrQ
If you have a problem and you call the cops you now have two problems
Edit: Also, who administered the ketamine? Had they received training in appropriate dosing? Or did some dumb cop just shove a needle into a kid and hope he didn’t die.
Usually it’s administered by EMS. At least here it is.
At least it’s supposed to be. Cops generally only have slightly better medical training than you’re average cpr/fa/aed cert holder.
Basically, it’s just enough they can say they tried to keep that guy they just shot alive long enough for EMS to show up.
Or did some dumb cop just shove a needle into a kid and hope he didn’t die.
Or did some malicious cop just shove a needle into a kid and hope he did die?
Turns out I have a small shred of hope for humanity after all
Don’t worry we can get rid of that
Thanks it’s not fun
Absolute definition of white privilege to think that calling the police to lecture her black son would yield positive outcomes.
I say this as a white person.
I’m 100% on board that this was unnecessary, but how should police handle something like this? It’s a 230 pound 14 year old hormonal teenager that turned sullen and refused to comply.
Presumably the smart way would be to say “Ok your behavior is not ok but I’ll leave you be for now until you cool down.” and then just leave. I mean if you want to press charges you can come back any time. I don’t quite understand why in the US everyone is arrested instead of getting “a summons” (?).
I’d also say that nicotine is often used for self medication by people with mental issues, including ADHD. Smoking is more prevalent. Vaping provides a much safer alternative. Not condoning 14 year olds vaping but it could explain why he wants them.
I’m 100% on board that this was unnecessary, but how should police handle something like this? It’s a 230 pound 14 year old hormonal teenager that turned sullen and refused to comply.
USING WORDS.
I don’t think so. My guess is that sometimes the only way to deescalate is to leave someone alone. That’s what you’d have to teach police. But presumably only a qualified mental health professional can answer that question.
Mental health student with his own emotional issues and that raised two small kids .
Yes, often the way to desecalate is to take space. It’s anger management 101. If someone is not able to recognize they need space, the one able to should call for a time out (this is how time outs should be used by parents, not as punishment).
Police are trained to exert authority. It’s not de-escalation training generally.
Which is why mental health professionals should accompany police in situations like this.
Thanks. Hmm, maybe police officers have mental health issues that prevent them from retreating and asserting their “authoritae”. Maybe no amount of training or accompanying will help with that.
Police are trained to ‘keep the peace’ in a lot of situations. Like, in a bad traffic accident, the cops are there to direct traffic while the EMTs and Firefighters take the lead.
We just need to teach them to do the same with mental health workers and make that the standard for anything that’s not a criminal complaint. They already do this with stuff like CPS calls in a lot of jurisdictions.
But yeah, a lot of cops are drawn to the job because they love power and authority. And it will take decades of restructuring of US policing to change that cultural tendency.
